I tried AC and got faster lap with P1 and MP4-12c gt3 than F1 GTR.How is it possible?

[Johnnypenso]

Besides do you really think that Le Man winning F1 GTR (which could lap 3:57 in the wet) will only barely manage a sub 7 lap time in nurburgring like in AC, when in the contrast a hybrid like 918 spider can do 6:57,a semi racing car like Zonda R can achieve 6:47 with semislicks?

I fact checked only two things and both were wrong. F1GTR on Nords, RSR Live Timing:

I am familiar with both of those guys and they are very fast drivers so you can count on that being close to the limit with that car. 6:40 is a long way from, "barely manage a sub 7:00 laptime". When I read that, fact check it and find it wrong, it pretty much invalidates the rest of your post.

If Zonda R produces 1500kg at 350km/h then it will not have enough downforce to run along ceiling at 100mph atleast that is sure ,so in downforce figure F1 GTR>Zonda R.

The Zonda R’s rear wing is much larger than the Zonda F’s and is accompanied by a large rear diffuser and a front splitter. Together they produce 2000kg of downforce at 186mph.

Source At a weight of 1070 kgs, it should be able to run upside down starting right around 100 mph

Once again, you need to research your information and present it in a more organized fashion if you want to make a case. Pulling stuff out of thin air is not the way to convince people of your case. And again, not saying you're wrong, but your scattershot approach to this possible issue negates any credibility you might otherwise have.

 

[daan]

If you think these are not words of motortrend then I have attached the page which states it,please read full document.

The very first line of the online article that you have linked to many times, states...

Let's ride along with our British sister publication, CAR, for this pavement-ripping test of all-out automotive athleticism.

The article was written Greg Fountain. Mr Fountain is the editor of CAR magazine.

The test was conducted at an RAF base in England. How often do Motortrend do that?

They are not the words of Motortrend. Motortrend obviously have an agreement with CAR to use the article, but they are the words of CAR.

I think you should read Driving Ambition book written by its designers where everything is stated about Mclaren F1.

Yep, have it. Thanks. I can't see where it states about the exact downforce levels of the GTR.

 

[Ettick]

The tires used by zonda r was done using P zero tires,they are not slicks but semi slicks which Huayra used to set top gear record lap,with slicks it would lap much faster.

F1 GTR in general is set up for faster acceleration in sacrifice of topspeed.For your information ,F1 GTR also had carbon brakes which was not available for road car as tech was not mature enough at that time to make it work at cold temperature.

Regarding Andy Wallace,he is the man who has driven Mclaren F1 all version on several occassions from top speed test to le mans 24hr.
I am sure he knows more about F1 than all of us here.Also Zonda R is not a complete racecar it is just a track day car.He also said that standard F1 was feeling like it was not moving at 280kph i.e it was so much stable in topspeed run.Every magazine does tunnel test to find out the car's downforce.

Regarding downforce figure,you car see it on somewhere mclarens site,I am sure that I have read it there once.And the downforce figure was for 95 version,96 version is basically the same except some modifications for easier pits.

I think GT6 has created more pro drivers by GT Academy.The lap times for Huayra,GT3 cars,etc are more accurate in GT6 than AC.

I think you should read Driving Ambition book written by its designers where everything is stated about Mclaren F1.Now coming back to laptimes the lap times,okay I would agree that anderstorp and zhuhai are not technical tracks.But jarama is a technical track where F1 GTR was 2.16s faster than GT3 in similar condition(the 1:31.892 was for a GT2 racer).

If Zonda R produces 1500kg at 350km/h then it will not have enough downforce to run along ceiling at 100mph atleast that is sure ,so in downforce figure F1 GTR>Zonda R.
from @DynamicPanik statement I can tell that there was no improvement in GT3 lap in this year,maybe I overestimated it.In 2014 too it lapped a best of 2:18.

The Zonda R does not get 1500kg of downforce at 350kmh. As worded in the article:

aerodynamic setups allows for a high downforce setting of up to 1.500kg and a 350kmh top speed setting

I believe 1500 kg is actually at 300 kmh though.

I also happen to have taken one physics course in college so far. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Aerodynamic forces use the formula F = 1/2 * A * coeff * ro * v^2

First I solved for A*coeff*ro since that is the unknown variable. For the Mclaren that was 1.01078456289.

With that variable now known, I changed the value of v to 83.3333 m/s (300 km/h) which resulted in F = 3509.66kg

So for the GTR to get 1010 kg of downforce at 100 mph it would need to get more than 3500 kg at 300 km/h. That is a ridiculous amount of downforce. I'd say it's about as much as any F1 car has ever produced, maybe a little more. It is that insane. So I really doubt the GTR would actually be able to "drive on the ceiling" at 100 mph. I'm pretty sure that whoever said that actually meant 200 mph because that would be much more realistic and feasible.

 

[MclarenGT]

I fact checked only two things and both were wrong. F1GTR on Nords, RSR Live Timing:

View attachment 466902

I am familiar with both of those guys and they are very fast drivers so you can count on that being close to the limit with that car. 6:40 is a long way from, "barely manage a sub 7:00 laptime". When I read that, fact check it and find it wrong, it pretty much invalidates the rest of your post.


Source At a weight of 1070 kgs, it should be able to run upside down starting right around 100 mph

Once again, you need to research your information and present it in a more organized fashion if you want to make a case. Pulling stuff out of thin air is not the way to convince people of your case. And again, not saying you're wrong, but your scattershot approach to this possible issue negates any credibility you might otherwise have.

No,if it generates 2000kg downforce at 300km/h then by this law
Downforce is directly proportional to square of velocity
downforce at 300/downforce at 161=300^2/161^2
2000/D(161)=90000/25921
D(161)=576.023kg
but weight of Zonda R is 1070kg so it will not run upside down at 100mph.
It would run upside down at 219.435km/h(136.295mph)
I am aware of fastest laptimes of F1 GTR but it is too slow for real GTR it is expected to do in high 6:20s.And there is no way a GT3 would do 6:29 when Gallardo GT3 did only 6:45s when tested,And no way a P1 would do 6:15 like in AC.There was a guy who told real life laptimes are 15s slower than AC laps,He estimated F1 GTR to barely do under 7min in GTPlanet itself read that page of forum for this.
AC is far from being a best sim in terms of laptimes,if they could not render trofeo tires correctly then it is their fault not mine to compare the laptimesBy the way Ferrari 312t F1 also underperforms it did 6:57 on 22.9km layout.Even a standard F1 is claimed manage to do 7:11 at nurburgring.F1 was tested by Martin Brundle in silverstone but he did not tell the laptime and a Red F1 was also tested at Laguna Seca.I dont think GTR will only be 30s faster than standard F1.

The very first line of the online article that you have linked to many times, states...



The article was written Greg Fountain. Mr Fountain is the editor of CAR magazine.

The test was conducted at an RAF base in England. How often do Motortrend do that?

They are not the words of Motortrend. Motortrend obviously have an agreement with CAR to use the article, but they are the words of CAR.


Yep, have it. Thanks. I can't see where it states about the exact downforce levels of the GTR.

Okay it was not motortrend,it was car magazine but I don't think that they would lie about the car and post the figures without testing it.Also this statement is there on mclarens site where it said that F1 LM's 0-60 is 4s and 0-100 is 7 seconds while these figures are lower than standard F1.The claimed F1 LM 0-60 was 2.9 but in real test it did 3.9s thanks to the wheelspin at the start.Manufacturer claim may or may not be accurate.For eg Koenigsegg has claimed that agera one will reach 285mph,Agera R will reach 273mph and CCX will reach 250mph and they always have excuse for not able to prove it.

The Zonda R does not get 1500kg of downforce at 350kmh. As worded in the article:

I believe 1500 kg is actually at 300 kmh though.

I also happen to have taken one physics course in college so far. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Aerodynamic forces use the formula F = 1/2 * A * coeff * ro * v^2

First I solved for A*coeff*ro since that is the unknown variable. For the Mclaren that was 1.01078456289.

With that variable now known, I changed the value of v to 83.3333 m/s (300 km/h) which resulted in F = 3509.66kg

So for the GTR to get 1010 kg of downforce at 100 mph it would need to get more than 3500 kg at 300 km/h. That is a ridiculous amount of downforce. I'd say it's about as much as any F1 car has ever produced, maybe a little more. It is that insane. So I really doubt the GTR would actually be able to "drive on the ceiling" at 100 mph. I'm pretty sure that whoever said that actually meant 200 mph because that would be much more realistic and feasible.

The F1 GTR has larger spoiler than Zonda R ,GT3 car produces 1000kg of downforce at 120mph according to a race engineer.At its topspeed i.e 211mph it would produce 4502kg downforce.I don't doubt it because it is a racecar and was road hugging at le mans and absolutely stable at 200mph.
Remember a Sauber C9 had much higher downforce than this and collapsed at lemans due to that.And in simple words racecars do produce such amount of downforce.
Formula for downforce I know
D=1/2*AOA*v^2*rho*H*F*WS
where
AOA=angle of attack
v=velocity
rho=air density
H=height of spoiler
F=lift coefficient
WS=wingspan.
Your expression is derived from this formula and you don't have to calculate other things if downforce at a particular speed is given instead you can simplify it by using.
D1/D2=(v1/v2)^2.

 

[ALB123]

@MclarenGT -- So, you are the person who added the McLaren F1 Promotional XP5 prototype laptime of 7:11 to the Wikipedia page "List of Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Times"? And also the entry for Mclaren F1 XP4 Prototype at 7:23.5 as well? You added those entries, correct?

 

[LeGeNd-1]

I'm thinking we should tweet Chris Harris to get these 3 cars on the same track and do a timed lap.

Otherwise there is only so much stats and anecdotal evidence you can throw around for 3 cars that are never designed to compete against one another, let alone make a direct comparison possible.

AC is a great sim but it's not perfect. There is no sim in the world that is perfect. The only way to find out is the real world, not by quoting websites or magazines.

The timed lap a couple of pages back that shows F1 GTR and MP4-12C about the same (GTR loses a bit due to being harder to drive), and P1 on road tyres being slightly slower is good enough for me. Until a direct 3 way comparison is done IRL using the same driver, I'm not gonna overthink this problem any further.

/thread

 

[MclarenGT]

I'm thinking we should tweet Chris Harris to get these 3 cars on the same track and do a timed lap.

Otherwise there is only so much stats and anecdotal evidence you can throw around for 3 cars that are never designed to compete against one another, let alone make a direct comparison possible.

AC is a great sim but it's not perfect. There is no sim in the world that is perfect. The only way to find out is the real world, not by quoting websites or magazines.

The timed lap a couple of pages back that shows F1 GTR and MP4-12C about the same (GTR loses a bit due to being harder to drive), and P1 on road tyres being slightly slower is good enough for me. Until a direct 3 way comparison is done IRL using the same driver, I'm not gonna overthink this problem any further.

/thread

But they should test F1 GTR in slicks not road tires as they did at goodwood hillclimb and that should be similar to slicks used in 90's.And also ask him to test Mclaren F1 at tracks.But I think we should use Andy Wallace or Mika Hakkinen as the driver because they may be familiar with F1 GTR and F1 GTR is a hard car to drive.

@MclarenGT -- So, you are the person who added the McLaren F1 Promotional XP5 prototype laptime of 7:11 to the Wikipedia page "List of Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Times"? And also the entry for Mclaren F1 XP4 Prototype at 7:23.5 as well? You added those entries, correct?

No,the nurburgring page is semi protected so how can I add it?Regarding 7:11 lap time, the lap time is written in some databases like twinrev,sps automotive,etc.And regarding 7:23.5 laptime,it can be calculated by finding average speed at circuit breaker article cornering speeds.

But if you are talking about french version(not english) of that page,I have once added it and it was deleted the guy said that it was not reliable source,at that time when I edited I used sps automotive as source.

 

[ALB123]

I just find it interesting that the edits of the Wikipedia page are listed as " 09:26, 23 September 2015‎ Agasthyakrishna". I did a Google search on the user name Agasthyakrishna and one of the results was: "All videos from MclarenGT (agasthyakrishna) on Dailymotion"...

So, you say you didn't edit the page, but the person who did edit the page just happens to be associated with your Gran Turismo videos? Interesting...

EDIT: Also, the second entry says that the lap time was "estimated", something you often say in here...

 

[MclarenGT]

I just find it interesting that the edits of the Wikipedia page are listed as " 09:26, 23 September 2015‎ Agasthyakrishna". I did a Google search on the user name Agasthyakrishna and one of the results was: "All videos from MclarenGT (agasthyakrishna) on Dailymotion"...

So, you say you didn't edit the page, but the person who did edit the page just happens to be associated with your Gran Turismo videos? Interesting...

EDIT: Also, the second entry says that the lap time was "estimated", something you often say in here...

If you are talking of him then I know him,he comes to my house to play PS3,I have asked him to record some of my GT6 videos and create an account in MclarenGT name at dailymotion to upload my videos because network in my home is very slow,he was the one who showed me circuit breaker article and told me about mclaren f1 and its performances.

It may be he who edited it and he told me that he has found some laptimes like aventador,f1, ktm, etc and has added it to wiki and he lives right in my neighbourhood.He always messes up things.Besides if I were to edit that page then I would not have used my real name,I would have used some random names.

That dailymotion account is shared by us i.e he may put videos of his interest and I may put videos of my interest in that account.

 

[20832]

I just find it interesting that the edits of the Wikipedia page are listed as " 09:26, 23 September 2015‎ Agasthyakrishna". I did a Google search on the user name Agasthyakrishna and one of the results was: "All videos from MclarenGT (agasthyakrishna) on Dailymotion"...

So, you say you didn't edit the page, but the person who did edit the page just happens to be associated with your Gran Turismo videos? Interesting...

EDIT: Also, the second entry says that the lap time was "estimated", something you often say in here...

Exellent work, @ALB123

 

[MclarenGT]

Exellent work, @ALB123

You can get several results for searching a simple user name for example I have typed Jordan Murray.
I got more than one result doesn't mean they are one and the same and I would not agree to it if I have not done it atleast God(if he exists) knows that I have not done it.
And nobody in wikipedia uses their real name.They simply use their random names.

And regarding F1 GTR vs MP4-12c GT3 how about it if we ask Tiff Needell to do a 2 lap race with F1 GTR (Completely restored and with slicks(90's i possible)) and Chris Harris to drive the MP4-12C GT3 in that race.That would make a good episode in 5th gear.

Like they did with 458 speciale and modern 911.Regarding dailymotion account,I have removed it because it was creating some confusion and was only created to show my laptime video,since they have seen it,I no longer need to keep it and to prove that I have lapped 7:07 with Mclaren F1 CS tyres.
@ALB123
If you find editor of the wiki page and my account same then I would like to ask you that all the ALB123 I searched on google are yours or not?
And all the johnnypenso accounts is of johnnypenso here.Just tat editor has my name,it doesn't mean that I edited it?

 

[Johnnypenso]

@ALB123
If you find editor of the wiki page and my account same then I would like to ask you that all the ALB123 I searched on google are yours or not?
And all the johnnypenso accounts is of johnnypenso here.Just tat editor has my name,it doesn't mean that I edited it?

Interesting. I've never googled myself before. First 2 pages I checked are all from me or people talking about me:
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=johnnypenso johnny penso

 

[ALB123]

@MclarenGT first you said that you knew who Agasthyakrishna is. He was someone who came around your house, you said. You originally said that he put your videos onto the Dailymotion page, then you edited the post to say that you both shared the page. Then you alluded to Agasthyakrishna being YOUR name. Now you are trying to say that the Agasthyakrishna who edited McLaren F1 information into the Wikipedia page is NOT you?!?! Is Agasthyakrishna a very common name where you are from?

 

[Johnnypenso]

@MclarenGT first you said that you knew who Agasthyakrishna is. He was someone who came around your house, you said. You originally said that he put your videos onto the Dailymotion page, then you edited the post to say that you both shared the page. Then you alluded to Agasthyakrishna being YOUR name. Now you are trying to say that the Agasthyakrishna who edited McLaren F1 information into the Wikipedia page is NOT you?!?! Is Agasthyakrishna a very common name where you are from?

I've got two buddies named Agasthyakrishna. Most of us just call them Steve

 

[ALB123]

I've got two buddies named Agasthyakrishna. Most of us just call them Steve

 

[MclarenGT]

@MclarenGT first you said that you knew who Agasthyakrishna is. He was someone who came around your house, you said. You originally said that he put your videos onto the Dailymotion page, then you edited the post to say that you both shared the page. Then you alluded to Agasthyakrishna being YOUR name. Now you are trying to say that the Agasthyakrishna who edited McLaren F1 information into the Wikipedia page is NOT you?!?! Is Agasthyakrishna a very common name where you are from?

Firstly,I had put the circuit breaker article because many people think that F1 hasn't lapped around the ring not to put an estimate(the estimate I put here was 7:22 by comparing cornering speeds of other cars not calculating average 7:23.5).

Yes,I know the guy and if I was the one to edit the page then do you think I would use my real name or something like that to edit it.And is ALB123 your realname,no.If it created any confusion then I am sorry I am not good in expressing my thoughts,I was feeling a little sleepy during writing it.

Now have a closer look at the search you made in that name.There are more than one result,more than one page some live in US some live in other countries.Now,I don't mind if you don't believe me,but many coincidences have happened in my life with me.

And regarding that name,I don't think it will be done by him only there may be many people with similar names.I edited that message to include the things I forgot to tell and yes,I asked him to put videos.

And I were the one to edit the page then why would I hesitate to accept it when nothing bad will happen to me?If that was the case then I would not have accepted that I edited french page.And him and I deleted that account to remove the confusion about nurburgring laptime and there was no other video we wanted to upload.

And if you think that I have put that lap time then,I would not have brought it up in reliable source noticeboard in wiki after seeing that page.By your logic I should be the one who added it in sps automotive
I should be the one who spread this rumor in 1996 and I should be the one who added it to twinrev.
When I have nothing to do with those sites.

 

[ALB123]

@MclarenGT I believe you. You bring up a very good point. Just because you have a friend named Agasthyakrishna who uploaded your GT6 videos to Dailymotion doesn't mean he is the same Agasthyakrishna who edited the Wikipedia page regarding McLaren F1 lap times. Like you said, I'm sure it was just a coincidence. There are probably many people with the username Agasthyakrishna and I didn't think about that before I made my first post. Accept my apologies, please...

 

[TenEightyOne]

Some of this seems to be in Ludicrous Claims territory by now.

 

[MclarenGT]

@MclarenGT I believe you. You bring up a very good point. Just because you have a friend named Agasthyakrishna who uploaded your GT6 videos to Dailymotion doesn't mean he is the same Agasthyakrishna who edited the Wikipedia page regarding McLaren F1 lap times. Like you said, I'm sure it was just a coincidence. There are probably many people with the username Agasthyakrishna and I didn't think about that before I made my first post. Accept my apologies, please...

In future please be careful in blaming someone else,for you to confirm that he is the real person,you should know who he is personally.

Okay,today I read some pages of driving ambition after a long time.Okay, I think I was wrong in 381km/h of F1 GTR actual speed was 215mph in mulsanne straight.The Mika Hakkinen drove F1 XP3 at 220mph in Nardo before Jonathan Palmer did 231mph.

Now this thread is about F1 GTR vs MP4-12c vs P1 I think we should return to that.

 

[MclarenGT]

Regarding this,I think I have shown enough lap times to prove that F1 GTR was faster and that too many times.

I don't think,I know that F1 GTR is the fastest among this trio.The F1 GTR may not have ABS,TC and other aids but that doesn't mean it will be slower than GT3.FYI 90'S Cars also had AIDS like F50 had TC,959 had ABS and TC,GT2 racer 90's too had aids.And besides AIDS(except ABS)only make peak laptimes slower as pro drivers don't need them.

So,yeah this thread is pointless in one way because all of you believe GT3 is faster(some even believe GT3 is faster than Group C) when it is not.

@Harry6784 Did even tell that 100mph downforce is wrong in CAR magazine or Motortrend(who may have tested it) because it is not simulated correctly in AC, WOW.

If somebody asked to do test in 5th gear it would be good.

 

[daan]

Now this thread is about F1 GTR vs MP4-12c vs P1 in Assetto Corsa I think we should return to that.

Fixed for you. This isn't the automotive forums.

Oh, and @ALB123 was being sarcastic.

 

[Dylan]

In real life a mclaren f1 gtr is both faster than P1 and an MP4-12c gt3.But surprisingly in AC it is slower than both even the fastest laps for gtr is slower than both.In monza it did 1:43(IRL) with 2 chicanes(at that time track had 2 chicanes) but in AC fastest ever lap is 1:48 at monza.
At spa in older configuration it did 2:17(IRL) and it was in slower configuration then it is equivalent to 2:12 on modern spa IRL.
Refer this site for track configurations
http://www.racingcircuits.info/europe/italy/monza.html#.VgwGLcrhntQ
http://www.racingcircuits.info/europe/belgium/spa-francorchamps.html#.VgwGVsrhntQ

A 2002 F1 which is on an average 5s faster than modern F1 laps spa in that configuration in same time as modern F1.

I got fastest lap times for gt3 car and f1 gtr from this site.P1 lap times are too fast for real life.
These are lap time comparision for fastest gt3 car vs f1 gtr in same configuration taken from.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/races.html
Track Fastest GT3 lap F1 GTR Lap
Zhuhai 1;34.461 1:31.886
Jarama 1:33.213 1:30.053
Le mans 3:54.286 3:48.264
Anderstorp 1:34.785 1:28.408

My P1 lap times are way faster than both I did 6:20 at nurburgring with it.Don't get me wrong AC is a good simulator.I just wanted to point out that F1 GTR is slower than in real life and P1 and GT3 are faster than in real life.

What do you think?

Oh. Oh. Oh, it's MAGIC!! YOU KNOOOooowww. NEVER BELIEVE IT'S NOT SOOOOO!!!!

 

[Roostaboosta]

I had my previous comment deleted by Admin, my opinion still stands!

 

[MclarenGT]

@ALB123
If you were ironic in previous comment,it is good and well.But I won't admit the thing if I have no hands in that.Be it dig or roll.And yes,I won't be surprised if you would tell that I edited the RSC laptimes something which I have no relation with.

Afterall everyone with same name are same people no matter where they live and reside.No matter their age.Now,I don't care if everyone makes a mockery out of me for this topic.

 

[Harry6784]

Regarding this,I think I have shown enough lap times to prove that F1 GTR was faster and that too many times.

By estimating lap times and comparing tracks of different configurations on cars from different eras running different tires? So far nothing you have posted or said is actual proof that the F1 GTR is a superior car than a current GT3 or P1.

I don't think,I know that F1 GTR is the fastest among this trio.The F1 GTR may not have ABS,TC and other aids but that doesn't mean it will be slower than GT3.FYI 90'S Cars also had AIDS like F50 had TC,959 had ABS and TC,GT2 racer 90's too had aids.And besides AIDS(except ABS)only make peak laptimes slower as pro drivers don't need them.

This isn't about others 90's cars that had abs, this is about the McLaren F1 GTR which didn't. Confidence makes lap times and abs does a lot in giving a driver confidence.

So,yeah this thread is pointless in one way because all of you believe GT3 is faster(some even believe GT3 is faster than Group C) when it is not.

I SHOWED that it depends on the track. On technical tracks the GT3 car runs circles around the GTR while on straights the GTR dominates. Don't know how many times to say this, you can't pick a track that suits the GTR then claim its a better car because its faster on that particular track.

@Harry6784 Did even tell that 100mph downforce is wrong in CAR magazine or Motortrend(who may have tested it) because it is not simulated correctly in AC, WOW.

If somebody asked to do test in 5th gear it would be good.

First off the article in Motortrend you keep referring to is about the McLaren F1 LM not GTR. Second it's just an article, a way for a writer to give his opinion on a car. Whats wrong with wanting to verify information?


Looks to me like you made up your mind that the F1 GTR is the best car in the world well before looking into the facts. Then scrambling for anything that will support your claim. From theoretical lap times to obscure articles. In the words of Thomas Paine:

 

[MclarenGT]

By estimating lap times and comparing tracks of different configurations on cars from different eras running different tires? So far nothing you have posted or said is actual proof that the F1 GTR is a superior car than a current GT3 or P1.



This isn't about others 90's cars that had abs, this is about the McLaren F1 GTR which didn't. Confidence makes lap times and abs does a lot in giving a driver confidence.



I SHOWED that it depends on the track. On technical tracks the GT3 car runs circles around the GTR while on straights the GTR dominates. Don't know how many times to say this, you can't pick a track that suits the GTR then claim its a better car because its faster on that particular track.



First off the article in Motortrend you keep referring to is about the McLaren F1 LM not GTR. Second it's just an article, a way for a writer to give his opinion on a car. Whats wrong with wanting to verify information?


Looks to me like you made up your mind that the F1 GTR is the best car in the world well before looking into the facts. Then scrambling for anything that will support your claim. From theoretical lap times to obscure articles. In the words of Thomas Paine:

Actually I had not submitted estimates of laptimes,The times I posted was qualifying laps.

Nothing is wrong in wanting to verify the info.It is a well and good thing to do:tup:.The article was for the LM when did I denied it? But it clearly states that downforce was for GTR 95 and they must have tested it.Go ahead in that.

Okay,but Jarama is a technical track did you tested them there(both should be adjusted for track),If F1 GTR is faster in that track in your test by 3s then I would absolutely believe you.And regarding ABS,Pro drivers don't need them and my laps in AC were much faster without AIDS.I am aware that F1 GTR doesn't have AIDS.With AIDS i could only do 2:31.7xx at best without them I did 2:25 laptime but with GT3 I did 2:29 without aids.In my test F1 GTR was slower in jarama.From the videos I have seen jarama has many 60km/h corners.

I have not picked the track which supports F1 GTR,I have just taken the tracks which were available in same configuration and you just can't tell whether a track is technical or not until you drive there,for eg take tsukuba for good example,it does not look technical but it is technical a Mclaren F1 gave a very poor 1:04.62 laptime there in damp weather.

No,I did not made up my mind that F1 GTR is the best car.F40LM,Group C,CLK GTR,911 GT1,LMP etc set significantly faster laptimes on tracks than it.

I think my argument is like this one in topgear where my argument is of Tiff Needell and all others is of Jeremy Clarkson in the starting of that video arguing about Mclaren F1.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Except you have estimated lap times many times in this thread . . .

Every review of the F1 I ever read called the car skittish. What is the point of this thread now?

Is it about the F1 or GTR LM? You seem to change what it's about frequently.

 

[MclarenGT]

Except you have estimated lap times many times in this thread . . .

Every review of the F1 I ever read called the car skittish. What is the point of this thread now?

Is it about the F1 or GTR LM? You seem to change what it's about frequently.

No,it is about GTR,if you have read that it is skittish then it must be Jeremy Clarkson,Tiff Needell liked F1 very much.Car and driver review says that it has finest handling in 6th page middle row 5th line of this review and g forces build up long before it looses adhesion in page 7,4th line.And it was even faster than enzo on Evo test.

But,yeah it doesn't handle as good as it does in GT6 where it is too overpowered.

No,where did I estimate GTR times,if I have done so,show me where, laptimes I used were qualifiers.Anyway thank you for telling me that its changing,I never realised it.

 

[mister dog]

I had my previous comment deleted by Admin, my opinion still stands!

Which opinion is that?

Interesting. I've never googled myself before. First 2 pages I checked are all from me or people talking about me:
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=johnnypenso johnny penso

http://www.caloriecount.com/forums/foods/dark-chocolate-better-blueberries-read

Slimming down huh?

 

[MclarenGT]

I had got 2 videos one of Mclaren F1 GTR(in race,hot weather) and other of Audi R8 LMS gt3(qualifier),so I decided to make a comparision video of it.

Now we can see which corners better.
@Harry6784
In this video you can see that F1 GTR maintains that 2s gap even in technical section of the anderstorp and that was not even fastest lap of F1 GTR i.e 1:28.904,but for GT3 car it is 2nd fastest(fastest being around 1:34 and this one 1:34.5).Based on your spa lap,F1 GTR will only get ahead at the end of the chicane,right?
If i find more such videos i will make comparision for them too.