I tried AC and got faster lap with P1 and MP4-12c gt3 than F1 GTR.How is it possible?

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Which is the best simulator among these physics wise?

  • Forza Motorsports 5

  • Assetto Corsa

  • Gran Turismo 6

  • Project Cars

  • rfactor

  • Rfactor 2


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When tuned the GT3 is faster but I didn't mess with the GTR's setup. Stock for stock the GTR is the fastest of the lot on this track with me driving.
Okay then please test it at spa 92,jarama(if you have it) if F1 GTR is faster on those tracks then I will be convinced.Any I have uploaded comparision video without that 1km long straight I.E technical part.

Edit:I found laguna seca laptimes for F1 GTR and GT3
Audi R8 LMS 1:26.695
Mclaren F1 GTR 1:18.895
Mclaren P1 1:30.71
 
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You can manually toggle the DRS spoiler on and off but I'm not aware of any race mode option...

I see. We would assume it's already in race mode then. Otherwise the times would be too fast.

Also Algarve is a straight line track so F1 GTR should be faster there
View attachment 485482But it doesn't look as technical as
Jarama
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Anderstorp(I am not sure about Anderstorp)
View attachment 485484Algarve has longest straight among the three.So it is not technical.
I would suggest a Jarama run.

You can't really judge a track from its map unless you have drive it yourself.

Algarve has a huge straight but the back section is highly technical with a variety of slow/medium/high speed corners and elevation changes. Low speed traction is key, along with stability over bumps. Besides the first and last corners high speed grip isn't that important.

Jarama is a shorter track, so the corners are tighter. It has elevation, but less demanding than Algarve. Low and high speed grip are important here.

Anderstorp has a pretty long straight too. The first section with 90 degree corners are quite point-and-shoot, but later on in the lap you have long radius corners which favour high speed grip. The corners are banked, and it's quite bumpy.

If you want a definitive test, do it on 3 tracks: Monza (high speed), Suzuka (mixed), Monaco (low speed).
 
I see. We would assume it's already in race mode then. Otherwise the times would be too fast.



You can't really judge a track from its map unless you have drive it yourself.

Algarve has a huge straight but the back section is highly technical with a variety of slow/medium/high speed corners and elevation changes. Low speed traction is key, along with stability over bumps. Besides the first and last corners high speed grip isn't that important.

Jarama is a shorter track, so the corners are tighter. It has elevation, but less demanding than Algarve. Low and high speed grip are important here.

Anderstorp has a pretty long straight too. The first section with 90 degree corners are quite point-and-shoot, but later on in the lap you have long radius corners which favour high speed grip. The corners are banked, and it's quite bumpy.

If you want a definitive test, do it on 3 tracks: Monza (high speed), Suzuka (mixed), Monaco
I have driven at Jarama in rfactor ,Grid autosport and many other games,thats why I said it was a technical track.

Yes,Anderstorp is quite bumpy thats why F1 GTR had never won there both in 1995 and 1996.F1 GTR hit 170mph there according to commentator.

In Grid autosport I have done 1:23 with F1 GT,1:25 with P1,F1 GT was faster in corners but P1 was faster in straight line.

And yes F1 GTR was faster on jarama too
F1 GTR 1:30.053
Porsche 997 GT3 R 1:33.213
Audi R8 LMS GT2 version 1:31.892
And yeah jarama,anderstorp,etc are in same configuration.

Suzuka lap of F1 GTR cannot be compared as modern layout has faster Snake bends according to description,faster casio triangle,faster 130r and faster dunlop corner,slightly faster Degner.Old suzuka was 5.864km and new one is 5.807.And still it is only 3s slower than GT3.

And also I said that algarve was not technical because @Harry6784 thinks that a track with a long straight or one main straight is not technical even Jarama according to him,so I used exaggeration there.

In bumpy track F1 GTR drives like this in the below video,quite jumpy right


I have tested at Jarama in AC and GT3 car was 8s faster than F1 GTR.
 
Actually drivers there compete to set the fastest lap of the year and they do get prizes for it.
Normal GTR has also been tested there but I don't know its laptime.

Oh for goodness' sake, how many more of your own absolute assumptions are you going to argue as unshakeable fact? There is indeed a competition for the fastest hill-climb, there are also drivers who are there to show a car (or themselves) to the punters.
Meaningless. It's not a circuit and it's not a race it's an exhibition. You are drawing conclusions based on nothing but hot air.

This.

Finally, as the concept seems a real struggle, downforce makes your car slower as well as faster. Crazy, right?
 
Something to bear in mind is reading Kunos' tyre compound guide, they mention that often gt3 cars are forced by regulations into using hard compound tyres. I daresay not many of us hotlap on anything less than the grippiest tyres in a game. Also, do we even know to which regulations the GT3 cars in AC are balanced, be it the Blancpain, ADAC or their own internal balancing?

And @MclarenGT, please stop bringing the other versions of the Mclaren F1 GTR into this. They're not in the game and are therefore largely irrelevant (as nice as they are) to the thread. I think that's been the most frustrating part of this thread, just trying to work out which one you're talking about.
 
Something to bear in mind is reading Kunos' tyre compound guide, they mention that often gt3 cars are forced by regulations into using hard compound tyres. I daresay not many of us hotlap on anything less than the grippiest tyres in a game. Also, do we even know to which regulations the GT3 cars in AC are balanced, be it the Blancpain, ADAC or their own internal balancing?

And @MclarenGT, please stop bringing the other versions of the Mclaren F1 GTR into this. They're not in the game and are therefore largely irrelevant (as nice as they are) to the thread. I think that's been the most frustrating part of this thread, just trying to work out which one you're talking about.
Thank you.

But the link you provided does say about the supersoft tires in GT3.By the way qualifier laps are set by a special set of tires for GT3 car i.e qualifying tires or soft ones.On the other hand F1 GTR use the tires which are set to last 40laps and hence have more durability than supersofts.F1 GTR uses race type tires for qualifying session.As a result in race laps for GT3 are much slower than their qualifiers.

As far as zonda r is concerned they use pirelli p zeros according to pagani's site not slicks.
 
I have added some more laptimes for comparision
Track GT3 F1 GTR
Curitiba 1:16.735 1:15.750
Silverstone(pre2010) 1:49.493 1:44.944
Laguna Seca 1:20.533 1:26.695
Mugello 1:47.890 1:45.790
 
Where did you get the real life Brands Hatch lap time data from?

If you click on the laptime it should take you to the source.

@MclarenGT I think you're just flogging a dead horse here. Have you tried contacting Kunos or maybe post in AC official forums about this issue?
 
Where did you get the real life Brands Hatch lap time data from?
From racingsportscars.com.Track length was 4.184km vs 3.916km of current layout and laptime is around 5s slower for older version(without dingle dell chicane) after doing some laps in rfactor.My best in AC is 1:33.
If you click on the laptime it should take you to the source.

@MclarenGT I think you're just flogging a dead horse here. Have you tried contacting Kunos or maybe post in AC official forums about this issue?
How to contact kunos directly and what is the official forum,GTP is not an official forum for GT series is it?
 
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Youtube comments? :lol: Seriously mate this here is the reason why everyone doubted your posts and logical reasoning in this thread.

Try here http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php (took me 2 seconds to search in google).
I have informed them in the contact us section in that link that was what i meant by PM.
Edit:After doing research for sauber c9 laptime I also find sauber c9 laptime to be slower than real life
brands hatch real life 1:13.385
AC laptime 1:18.4
 
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@MclarenGT

I think after 3 months, it is about time that you showed us all your driving in AC, much like @Harry6784 has done in an effort to try and resolve this thread. preferably a video showing you driving the GT3, and a video of you driving the GTR.
 
@MclarenGT

I think after 3 months, it is about time that you showed us all your driving in AC, much like @Harry6784 has done in an effort to try and resolve this thread. preferably a video showing you driving the GT3, and a video of you driving the GTR.
I have stated several times that I am only an average driver,not a pro driver like RSR people.

Also I am comparing RSR best times with real times.To resolve this thread I had made GT3 vs GTR comparision real life video at Anderstorp which is on you tube.

Also I should mention that I play on keyboard.

Here are my best spa lap times for the three at stock settings and P1 with road tires
MP4-12c GT3 2:28.95
P1 2:28.626
F1 GTR 2:31.639
(I will attach the data base images later)

Yeah @Harry6784 did try to resolve the thread but why didn't he choose the track where F1 GTR & GT3 car has actually lapped like Jarama and Zhuhai?
 
Because those tracks aren't available on AC @MclarenGT
Wrong,they can be downloaded as mods except anderstorp.It should also be mentioned that Algarve and Monaco track he used was a mod.And why didn't he tested at brands hatch gt,it is available in laser scanned version and F1 GTR was still faster in longer version of the track than GT3 and it is a logical to assume that older version was slower due to dingle dell chicane.

Anyway GT3 laptimes for Brands Hatch are correct.Best real life one was 1:23.269.
And that in AC is 1:23.856.
But again thats only a minute difference not huge one like F1 GTR whole 5s slower and even Sauber C9.
 
Wrong,they can be downloaded as mods except anderstorp.It should also be mentioned that Algarve and Monaco track he used was a mod.And why didn't he tested at brands hatch gt,it is available in laser scanned version and F1 GTR was still faster in longer version of the track than GT3 and it is a logical to assume that older version was slower due to dingle dell chicane.

Anyway GT3 laptimes for Brands Hatch are correct.Best real life one was 1:23.269.
And that in AC is 1:23.856.
But again thats only a minute difference not huge one like F1 GTR whole 5s slower and even Sauber C9.
Jarama and Zhuhai aren't on AC yet, that's a fact.
EDIT: Zhuhai is, but Jarama isn't.
 
Jarama is there in my AC but it has timer issues in the 1st lap
Here is the link for jarama.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/mnn6fljr8jzt6md/jarama+1.0.rar

Try getting 1:30.053 there with F1 GTR.

Edit:I have added rfactor and rfactor 2 for the poll.

You have to take any time gained within Assetto while using a user created mod track with a grain of salt. As I have told you before, they may or may not be 100% accurate. How many times do you have to be told this?

Plus you are not taking into consideration any possible anomalies that are in the physics engine of Assetto, which can and probably does make the times gained on any track fairly invalid against a real world comparison. After all, the physics in the real world just are, they are not programmed in by people who made a video game.
 
Also I should mention that I play on keyboard.
My P1 lap times are way faster than both I did 6:20 at nurburgring with it.Don't get me wrong AC is a good simulator.I just wanted to point out that F1 GTR is slower than in real life and P1 and GT3 are faster than in real life.

And lets deal with this real quick, and this is going to sound really elitist (im cringing already, never thought I would be one of those people!). But you cant really drive properly in Assetto with a keyboard. You lose so much of the control that the cars in the game are capable off. Not only that though, you ARE NOT just comparing the fastest on the RSR leaderboards and real life, but you ARE also trying to take your own times in Assetto and comparing them to real life while using a keyboard..... And you have allowed this thread to go on for 3 months before even giving out that little piece of information. And on top of that, you are expecting the F1GTR to be as fast or faster than a P1 or 12cGT3 while you are using said keyboard. The F1GTR is a difficult car to drive fast in Assetto on a wheel, you can forget about driving it at a decent pace on a keyboard, full stop!

Now dont get me wrong here, I am not saying you have to go out and buy a racing wheel. Because in Assetto you actually dont need a wheel to get a good experience from the game. Surprisingly an xbox 360 controller is very easy to set up in Assetto, and it gives you a great deal more and much finer control of the cars, their steering, the throttle and the brakes. At the very least go out and buy a 360 or X1 controller, as you will see a great deal of improvement in your gameplay. All xbox one controllers are wireless, but if you plug in a micro USB cable and connect it to your pc, then it will be a wired controller. So I would suggest buying an X1 pad. With a 360 pad, you will either need to buy a wireless 360 controller dongle, or you will have to find a wired one.
 
And lets deal with this real quick, and this is going to sound really elitist (im cringing already, never thought I would be one of those people!). But you cant really drive properly in Assetto with a keyboard. You lose so much of the control that the cars in the game are capable off. Not only that though, you ARE NOT just comparing the fastest on the RSR leaderboards and real life, but you ARE also trying to take your own times in Assetto and comparing them to real life while using a keyboard..... And you have allowed this thread to go on for 3 months before even giving out that little piece of information. And on top of that, you are expecting the F1GTR to be as fast or faster than a P1 or 12cGT3 while you are using said keyboard. The F1GTR is a difficult car to drive fast in Assetto on a wheel, you can forget about driving it at a decent pace on a keyboard, full stop!

Now dont get me wrong here, I am not saying you have to go out and buy a racing wheel. Because in Assetto you actually dont need a wheel to get a good experience from the game. Surprisingly an xbox 360 controller is very easy to set up in Assetto, and it gives you a great deal more and much finer control of the cars, their steering, the throttle and the brakes. At the very least go out and buy a 360 or X1 controller, as you will see a great deal of improvement in your gameplay. All xbox one controllers are wireless, but if you plug in a micro USB cable and connect it to your pc, then it will be a wired controller. So I would suggest buying an X1 pad. With a 360 pad, you will either need to buy a wireless 360 controller dongle, or you will have to find a wired one.

The only reason why I compared RSR fastest time with real life is to prove that F1 GTR underperforms,and that was the point of this thread.Have a look at Brands Hatch time it is way off the real life time.Plus harry was also using a modded track for comparision and it is valid to use a modded track as long as I don't use it ,isnt it?

If the keyboard info was very vital then I am sorry for not telling it at the start,I didn't think it to be that important because I didn't had much problems with it in any other sims like rfactor,SHIFT,etc.

Like you said I do understand that F1 GTR is hard to drive at limits but the problem is that it doesn't create its real life downforce and also doesn't have enough straight line speed plus the horsepower is 680bhp without restrictor and I don't expect my laptimes to be in pace with realtime laptimes.Regarding F1 GTR being slower just because it doesn't have assist is rulled of as laptimes are slower in AC with assists on.

You have to take any time gained within Assetto while using a user created mod track with a grain of salt. As I have told you before, they may or may not be 100% accurate. How many times do you have to be told this?

Plus you are not taking into consideration any possible anomalies that are in the physics engine of Assetto, which can and probably does make the times gained on any track fairly invalid against a real world comparison. After all, the physics in the real world just are, they are not programmed in by people who made a video game.


I do agree with you that modded track may not be accurate but I have said many times it may give a good idea which car may be faster if they were available provided track maps are same.
 
The only reason why I compared RSR fastest time with real life is to prove that F1 GTR underperforms,and that was the point of this thread.Have a look at Brands Hatch time it is way off the real life time.Plus harry was also using a modded track for comparision and it is valid to use a modded track as long as I don't use it ,isnt it?

If the keyboard info was very vital then I am sorry for not telling it at the start,I didn't think it to be that important because I didn't had much problems with it in any other sims like rfactor,SHIFT,etc.

Like you said I do understand that F1 GTR is hard to drive at limits but the problem is that it doesn't create its real life downforce and also doesn't have enough straight line speed plus the horsepower is 680bhp without restrictor and I don't expect my laptimes to be in pace with realtime laptimes.Regarding F1 GTR being slower just because it doesn't have assist is rulled of as laptimes are slower in AC with assists on.

I have also pointed out to you that not everyone who plays assetto corsa uses the RSR timing app, it, yet again, is a user created mod. Not everyone will use it. This means that the fastest drivers in Assetto may not have even posted a time to it, and that could be a majority or minority. I can only speculate on that aspect. Fact of the matter is, you are only able to access lap times from a select group who have CHOSEN to use that particular app. There could be other drivers who are faster than those who have times posted to RSR.

As for using a keyboard, of course that is needed information. You have ultimately started this entire thread off because you couldn't get the F1GTR around a track faster than the 12c or P1. And only then checked out what other people have done with those cars on the tracks in question, as well has looking to see what those particular cars have done in the real world. Other people in this thread have been able to get the F1GTR around faster than those cars, track dependent and driver skill taken into account. Those people I assume are using a wheel, if not a decent control pad at the very least. I am not saying you can not have a good time in Assetto with a keyboard, hell I used to play racing games on a keyboard once upon a time. As I started my gaming life on an old Amstrad CPC 464. And again this will sound elitist, but a wheel or 360 controller is just better in most racing games, especially sims, fact.

As for using driver aids and been slower, that will only be the case if the person in question using them isnt very good or are using something like a keyboard where the finer control of inputs is non-existent. This is something that has been proven time and again in various racing games with regards to ABS/TCS/STM, and they will not slow you down if you are able to modulate your inputs precisely. If ABS/TCS/STM are flashing up constantly, it means they will be slowing you down as you are not braking as efficiently, or you are mashing the throttle too hard at the corner exit, or are just plain taking too much speed through the corners. I have done that test myself with tons of racing games, including Assetto Corsa, Forza, and even with the GT series of games. Not once did they slow me down, in fact in some cases I was faster with them turned on. As I was pushing them harder because I had a safety net there if I made a mistake

And just one more thing, NFS Shift is in no way a sim, especially shift 2. It was the most arcade sim I have ever played.

I do agree with you that modded track may not be accurate but I have said many times it may give a good idea which car may be faster if they were available provided track maps are same.

If you are just comparing to in game times only, then a comparison can be made, just. But only if those times are from the exact same person. Even then that does not mean what you are seeing is a true indication on the performance of the cars in the game when driven by that particular person. I have touched upon this before, but each and everyone of us have limits, and if we have issues driving a particular car, such as the F1GTR, then we will end up babying it around the track for the sake of a clean lap. Which would ultimately mean we could be slower in that car compared to the 12C-GT3 or P1, which are much easier to push hard before they bite back, especially with the 12c-gt3. That thing can be pushed so hard before it will attempt to kill your virtual driver.
 
Wrong,they can be downloaded as mods except anderstorp.It should also be mentioned that Algarve and Monaco track he used was a mod.And why didn't he tested at brands hatch gt,it is available in laser scanned version and F1 GTR was still faster in longer version of the track than GT3 and it is a logical to assume that older version was slower due to dingle dell chicane.

Anyway GT3 laptimes for Brands Hatch are correct.Best real life one was 1:23.269.
And that in AC is 1:23.856.
But again thats only a minute difference not huge one like F1 GTR whole 5s slower and even Sauber C9.

He didn't test on the laser scanned version of Brands Hatch because he posted his video on November 25th and Dream Pack 3 wasn't even released to the public until December 15th! What's wrong with you? Seriously...
 
At the end of the day this thread could go back and forth for another 100 pages with no result.

Basically it comes down to 3 things:
- A direct real life comparison has not been made.
- No sim is going to be 100% accurate for everything.
- We at GTPlanet do not make AC, so posting here complaining isn't going to achieve anything. If you have posted at AC forums wait for their reply. If Kunos fixes it, great! If not, that's how they decided to program the F1 GTR in their game. Nothing you can do about it.

/thread
 
When will this end??


Do NOT use RSR as a benchmark to compare cars against each other. After having a go in both cars (again) here are my results:

McLaren F1 GTR: 1:26.992
McLaren MP4-12C GT3: 1:26.979

So there you have it. Same track, same driver, same time, just like IRL. Reason for gap in RSR is that F1 GTR is not a popular car for the aliens who mainly stick to GT3/GT2 cars. I may hold the current WR for the GTR around Brands Hatch but I know a few guys who will go deep in the 25's, some probably the 24's.

So again, for the 18th time, nothing is wrong with the F1 GTR in Assetto Corsa :banghead:
 
When will this end??


Do NOT use RSR as a benchmark to compare cars against each other. After having a go in both cars (again) here are my results:

McLaren F1 GTR: 1:26.992
McLaren MP4-12C GT3: 1:26.979

So there you have it. Same track, same driver, same time, just like IRL. Reason for gap in RSR is that F1 GTR is not a popular car for the aliens who mainly stick to GT3/GT2 cars. I may hold the current WR for the GTR around Brands Hatch but I know a few guys who will go deep in the 25's, some probably the 24's.

So again, for the 18th time, nothing is wrong with the F1 GTR in Assetto Corsa :banghead:

If nothing is wrong with F1 GTR it should atleast do 1:22s.But again it was in the slower configuration where it averaged 182km/h while best GT3 averages 169km/h.And that configuration was around 5s slower in terms of rfactor lap so it should do around 1:18s.

Edit fastest lap record was broken to be 1:26.897,still no closer.

He didn't test on the laser scanned version of Brands Hatch because he posted his video on November 25th and Dream Pack 3 wasn't even released to the public until December 15th! What's wrong with you? Seriously...

Wrong the test date for R8 LMS Ultra was 20th December,for F1 GTR was 19th december(fastest lap some days ago) so it was laser scanned track.

@lalyrn
Talking about assists,I did 6:10.981 with F1 GTR 95 in GT6without assists but 6:10.962 with assists and that too because it is a long track in shorter tracks like spa I am around 2s faster without assists.I did 2:18 without assists and 2:22 with assists with R8 LMS Ultra GT3.

By the end of the day I think F1 GTR in GT6(but with SH tires) is more accurate than AC.
 
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