I'm going to write an e-mail to Sony!

[GTP_Gearhead]

I agree mykem.

DLC is a pay for product. Sony could ask $1000 a car if they wanted, would it sell? Probably not.

It's kind of like going to the races and paying $10 for a beer. You may really want that beer but refuse to pay $10 for it, so no drink for you. The decision is yours, pay to play or b*tch all day.

 

[YuRiPa]

If it says 5 PS3 systems, doesn't say anything about using it on another account.
Don't know but you probably ca redownload it on another system with you own account.

I'm not near my PS3 for the next few weeks so I can't check the T&Cs etc, but I'm a little confused by this.

Registered PS3 systems does not equal user accounts. If you're able to use this DLC on 5 individual registered PS3s with one single account then I can't see how this is misleading / incorrect. Nowhere does it say (in what you've provided) you'll be able to use the DLC purchased with one account on another seperate account, be it on the same PS3 or another.

There may be something I'm missing?

True. Didn't think about that yet. I interpreted it as being for multiple users too.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

@ White&Nerdy
I dont see the problem with the car not being in car dealership now that you have setting sheets.
It basically 3 cars lol well minus the mileage I dont know if it resets on each sheet.

From what I understand, you can apparently add permanent upgrades (engine tuning) to the touring cars and those upgrades stay. So if I added engine tuning stage 3 on my Miata TC for Sheet A, the engine tuning will STILL be there for sheets B and C. This is a problem for people like me who like to having stock and upgraded versions of each car.

Maybe if PD used a little bit more common sense with the tuning sheets by making your car 100% bone stock on sheets where you didn't any buy permanent upgrades, it wouldn't be such a big problem.

 

[smilerftm]

but from what ive read you cant gift.

There is a way around the paint chips but only with cars you can gift. Save the game to a USB drive or external hdd, once you've done that paint the car you want to use the chip on and then gift that car to your dupe account, reload your save from the USB or external hdd and then gift the car from your dupe account back to yourself

edit: I've not actually tried this but can't see any reason why it wouldn't work. I'll try it later today with a colour I have no interest in to see what happens

 

[smilerftm]

From what I understand, you can apparently add permanent upgrades (engine tuning) to the touring cars and those upgrades stay. So if added engine tuning stage 3 on my Miata TC for Sheet A, the engine tuning will STILL be there for sheets B and C. This is a problem for people like me who like to having stock and upgraded versions of each car.

Maybe if PD used a little bit more common sense with the tuning sheets by making your car 100% bone stock on sheets where you didn't any buy permanent upgrades, it wouldn't be such a big problem.

I'm in your position on this one, it totally sucks I can't have a stock and a fully tuned MX-5 despite purchasing the DLC. There is no way I'm spending another 6 or 7 quid just so as I can do this and it leaves me wondering do I upgrade or not

 

[Bobtehblob]

With Sony, sometimes things get complicated.

That has to be the greatest post of ALL TIME!!!

 

[Bobtehblob]

Would you like some cheese with that whine? This just smacks of the old people who write into BBC Points of View just so they can hear Terry Wogan read their mellodramatical letters out on TV, the type of people sad enough to complain that a live sporting event watched by millions has over-run onto their antiques show which is watched by a few hunded. Use your brain before you start a thread.

2011 Canadian GP I'm thinking

 

[jedisteampunk]

Would you like some cheese with that whine? This just smacks of the old people who write into BBC Points of View just so they can hear Terry Wogan read their mellodramatical letters out on TV, the type of people sad enough to complain that a live sporting event watched by millions has over-run onto their antiques show which is watched by a few hunded. Use your brain before you start a thread.

 

[High On Speed]

There is no other way to implement rare things in the game.

Just buy it once and enjoy the colors while they last. They will probably have a new set every DLC to enjoy. It's not like $12 for a yearly update is too much for anyone who plays this to afford.

You'll find it hard to actually make use of all the colors, before there's another batch available.

AGAIN PEOPLE ITS BIGGER THAN JUST THIS.

#1 The content of Cars and Track DO NOT TRANSFER TO THE OTHER ACCOUNTS ON YOUR OWN PSN. So if your a family of 4 gamers this 1 track an 15 cars will cost you $48 - not $12

#2 According to the customer service rep AT SONY. This practice of making you purchase DLC for EACH ACCOUNT ON YOUR ONLY PS3 might become the norm. This means having to purchase DLC content for EVER Gamer in your home for EVERY game/DLC you EVER PURCHASE. And dont think it stops there cause companies like Zipper have already started making some DLC an annual purchase (IE: Have to repurchase Item every year)

#3 We dont have to put up with it. If enough people raise a stink about it THEIR POLICY WILL CHANGE. Cause if we dont buy their products they go out of business.

EVERYONE CALL AND EMAIL SONY AND COMPLAIN!

 

[deadcat777]

With Sony, sometimes things get complicated.

Not exactly.

 

[brainfade]

2011 Canadian GP I'm thinking

Haha, yes it was!

^^^HAHA Love this!

 

[ChloeSMV]

I e-mailed Sony, but the automated response reads:
"Please note, our department only handles emails from North American residents. If you live outside of North America, we have regional support offices to better assist you. Please visit our Country Selector page and select your home region's support website..."

But after this latest screw up of theirs, I'll not let them silence my voice, and neither should anyone. After all:
1- PS does not exist "officially" here. Everything is imported, therefore that's why everything is NA-regionalized and why there's no PS Store online to my country;
2- All products on my country are region:1 (NA), including DLCs (to match the disc region, we need american accounts to get DLCs);
3- when they take my money with DLCs' sales, they don't ask anyone "where do you live ?", so we are good when we pay, and we don't deserve support ? Ridiculous. Then they make these anti-piracy campaigns, but they don't look at themselves to see that they do not really value honest people whom buy legit softwares. What's the point of having legit goods if you're not getting support when you need ? Contradiction much ? Or are they really just plain discriminators ?

 

[ECGadget]

^ this ^

Obviously this isn't the problem I've had, but still, I can see why people should be annoyed about this. I mean, how can you expect someone from Brazil to be able to use DLC if it is locked to NA accounts??? And what if you have two ID's? Or sub ID's? I just hope Kaz is trying to fix this... I mean, he seems like a decent person so I guess he is... But this here IS outrageous and, like I said in a previous post, illegal at some points (at least in the UK)

 

[Tommy_861]

What sucks about this for many is that it was likely caused by a recent change to the PS firmware for new Sony DLC products. There are very many people who have legitimate reasons for needing or using it on multiple accounts, or having out of region accounts etc. However what likely caused this change was the 5 game free promotion they did after the PSN outage, many people used their multiple accounts to get all 5 free games. I'm sure Sony noticed that and thats probably why they put this account locking in place.

I could be wrong, just my theory.

 

[High On Speed]

4 people eh. you when you have a barbi for you 4 you have to buy 4 steaks, not 1 hoping to get the rest for free.

And when you buy a fridge to put the steak in does it refuse the other 3 steaks requiring your family to go out and buy there own fridge... Dont be a dumb a$$.

I dont think you understand what this is all about.... Our rights as gamers! While I dont have any inside information from developers and in no way represent them in any way. While my words are just my view and my opinion, I do know how corporations do things. I work for one of the largest corp. in the world and have a VERY good job with them. Given my income the $48 in question for GT5 will not even be noticed. What this is about is standing up for our rights while we still can and letting them know we will not have it... That goes for Sony, XBox or anyone else trying to hurt honest gamers for the sake of their bottom line profits.

It starts with DLC content that you have to purchase for every profile on your system - Being Done Now.

Then they start coding the disks so that if you want to sell your used disks the person who buys it from you has to pay to "Unlock" it..... O wait that is being done now too with a few games in Europe.

Then you will have to pay a multi counsel fee if you have 2 Game Systems IE: one in living room and one in bed room. Just like the "Unlock Fee" there will be a "multi system fee" to play the disk you OWN.

Then starts the annual fee's on DLC - O Wait that is being done now too IE: MAG charecter B and C slots that use to be just $0.99 for each one permanent unlock and now are $0.99 per month upto to $5.00 per YEAR for each slot weather you use them or not durring that year. IE: Dont Play for a few months you loose the time.

Next to come may be an annual fee on all games where you have to pay $5-10 per year per game. O and I am sure that will be per profile not per system aswell.


Dont miss understand me... I am all for corporations making honest and reasonable profits in a manor that is fair for them and for honest gamers. And I think anyone who partisipates in "FILE SHARING" or "HACKING" to cheet them out of there profits should be heavily fined and baned from usage of the online systems. What I am not in favor of is using this "EXCUSE" as a reason to make profits they are not entitled to from anyone stupid enough to let them do it.

IF WE DONT STAND UP NOW AND VOICE OUR OUTRAGE AT THIS NOW WE MAY NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO LATER. Do I think this will happen overnight? No, It could never happen. But why take the chance?

EVERYONE CALL AND EMAIL SONY TO VOICE YOUR FEELINGS. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE STAND UP POLICY WILL CHANGE.

 

[GT4me]

Well i can't email sony because i don't live in the US but i'm supporting this.

 

[leepangfu]

There's an update coming in december to solve the dlc problems. Check the twitter thread

 

[sumbrownkid]

There's an update coming in december to solve the dlc problems. Check the twitter thread

This.

End thread?

 

[GrandGTM]

This.

End thread?

Nope. This only solves the issue of having the DLC on multiple accounts. It doesn't solve the region lock problem.

To put it simply, people who can get the DLC on a single account, at least they can get it. As for myself and thousands of others, we can't get it at all due to the fact that we use different account/disc region combinations.

To put it bluntly this is a very idiotic way of doing business on a system that is REGION FREE when it comes to playing games, you can be in Japan and play an American or European version of Metal Gear Solid 4. You can get any DLC for any game as long as it's from the corresponding PS store and it will work on all accounts as long as the disc matches. But now they are telling us we have to match the main account to the DLC? Why? I see no good reason for this whatsoever.

 

[sumbrownkid]

The reason it's region locked is probably due to each branch of Sony wanting money from buying a disc from their region.

It's their policy, and they're not gonna change it.

 

[High On Speed]

This.

End thread?

Proof that if we as a community stand up for what is right policy will change.

I thank everyone who sent in emails to Sony and Tweeted to Kaz. I hope this will serve as an example as to the power of social media and send a message that people are not willing to let things like this just go by.

For those of you who dont subscribe to Kaz Twitter:

https://twitter.com/#!/Kaz_Yamauchi

*Message to OP - I hope you dont feel like I hijacked your thread in any way over the past few days. This was just something I felt passionate about like you and had the time off of work to follow it repeatedly throughout the day.*

 

[sumbrownkid]

^The few hundreds that actually write emails to PD and Sony, are not gonna sway them bro.

What sways major corporations is profits and lawsuits.

Not angry emails from GTP members.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Since I do not travel very far I have far less issues then most.
Also I'm the only one on my PS3, so not a lot of issues there.

However I use different users with different personalities (call it an exercise in having different social passports), there are different colours with the personalities (some love black, others will not touch it). So now that I can not gift the colours I bought in DLC, some of my personalities are missing out of the colours they love. Let us gift things we paid for!

P.S.: This is not a claim for therapy reimbursement to Sony.

 

[Touring Mars]

you just don't like the color the game gives you, tough luck.

They are premium cars... you can paint them if you don't like the colour.

I must admit, I'm a little surprised that the paint chips are only one use... that's pretty tight... but you do get 100 exclusive paints for not much cash, and nobody is forcing you to buy them.

Glad to see that DLC cars will be available in the dealership later - that's sensible 👍

 

[disguisedpotato]

Read the front page.

/thread

 

[GrandGTM]

The reason it's region locked is probably due to each branch of Sony wanting money from buying a disc from their region.

It's their policy, and they're not gonna change it.

I agree with you. But the new issue introduced here is when you buy even from an account that corresponds to your region of the game, it won't work on the account that you really need even if the disc is compatible. Right now every other DLC out there works in this fashion.

For example, my main account is U.S and my Disc is a Japanese Gundam title, I can create a Japanese account, purchase the DLC for that title, install it on my system's HDD and it will be available across all accounts and will work with the game. Kaz says this is not the case with the GT5 DLC as you can see currently it's linked to the main account, but after their update in December I just don't know if that will still apply.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

The reason it's region locked is probably due to each branch of Sony wanting money from buying a disc from their region.

It's their policy, and they're not gonna change it.

Yep. It's always been like that, there's still a little problem for those without a store in their region tho, I wouldn't be surprised if that somehow get solved with the family activation thing, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

They are premium cars... you can paint them if you don't like the colour.

I must admit, I'm a little surprised that the paint chips are only one use... that's pretty tight... but you do get 100 exclusive paints for not much cash, and nobody is forcing you to buy them.

Glad to see that DLC cars will be available in the dealership later - that's sensible 👍

Agreed. 👍
Maybe we can win the chips in seasonals just like the gear, does anyone know? That would be awesome!

 

[speedthrill]

don't like the randomly chosen colors of your cars.

You can paint the cars, rims, or even change rims. 👍

 

[SNAILZ]

Very good news reading Kaz's twitter. Glad and more power to them, thank you PD.

On the other hand:

m_fucchie:オンラインスパ部屋でDLC未購入者がホストをキックアウトして部屋を乗っ取るということが横行しているようです

Kaz_Yamauchi:それは困った。こちらの配慮が裏目に出てるかー。

centaurus_alpha:1. 部屋主をキックオフ投票の対象から外す。 2. DLCコースを持っていない人は観戦のみに留める。　この2点を改善提案します。

Kaz_Yamauchi:というのも準備中です。

m_fucchie:In online Spa rooms, people that didn't buy the DLC are kicking out the host and hijacking the room and this is happening frequently.

Kaz:That is a problem. Our generosity has been taken advantage of.

centaurus_alpha:1.Make it so that hosts can't be vote kicked 2.Make it so that people that didn't buy DLC can just spectate. I propose these two as fixes.

Kaz:We are working on it

What the 🤬 is this? People coming in to Spa rooms and vote kicking? What the hell is wrong with these people. It's the people that don't have the DLC, so the tweet didn't specify, but I'm guessing people from North America. It's appalling that people come into a room and cast planned, bulk votes to kick the host (who legitimately bought the DLC).

When people got cheated from the "gift" function with expensive cars, that made PD do the 1 million credit and 1 car per 1 PS3 rule. Now, looks like they are making another restriction. I honestly hope that the vote kick function stays in place and the DLC spectate is implemented. When host is AFK (away from keyboard) it gets irritating to wait for race start, or to ask a kick for idiot X1 users in free run rooms.

So PD, please implement DLC spectate instead of no host vote kick, and certainly not both.

And for the 🤬 idiots who come into the room and hijack it, stop. Seriously, it makes honest people who enjoy going into international rooms like me, waving the Star Spangled Banner next to my name, look like a chump mother 🤬

Spread this news about people vote kicking host to hijack a Spa room across GTPlanet, because this is a huge problem that everyone needs to know. Promote common sense and generous gaming:tup:

👎👎👎 to the idiot hijackers.

 

[White & Nerdy]

There goes most of my complaints... if my GTR TC isn't painted that color-shifty black, there is hope.

This very good! Thank you Kaz!

Just about the only thing left is the suits and paint chips, but so far there is no place in the game to buy suits or paints. If they were to make those non-onetime DLC, how would they work it?

Also, I agree, multiple tactical thumb-down to the people hijacking DLC rooms. Will I ever not have something to fight against?