Immigration

[Dennisch]

8 christians from Iraq housed in my home city decided to return to Iraq ... yeah sure, poor refugees running from oppression

Ehm, they're leaving and still it's not good?

Maybe they did flee from a terrible situation, and now the situation is safe enough for them to return?

 

[Carbonox]

I wish Finland had immigration officials like the Aussies. Instead, we have the most gullible people in the world in charge, even going as far as taking in the majority of Somalian refugees, even though the country's not even being considered a crisis zone. 👎

 

[TenEightyOne]

I wish Finland had immigration officials like the Aussies. Instead, we have the most gullible people in the world in charge, even going as far as taking in the majority of Somalian refugees, even though the country's not even being considered a crisis zone. 👎

It must be a different Somalia from the one embroiled in war and deep in food crisis, I guess. I get them mixed up too.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I wish Finland had immigration officials like the Aussies.

You mean terrible human beings?

 

[novcze]

Ehm, they're leaving and still it's not good?

Maybe they did flee from a terrible situation, and now the situation is safe enough for them to return?

They didn't come via refugee stream, we have christian fund called Generation 21 which organize "saving" of christians from Syria and Iraq ... but those ungrateful buggers are using it as a travel agency, now other group of Syrians are going to Germany.

 

[novcze]

It must be a different Somalia from the one embroiled in war and deep in food crisis, I guess. I get them mixed up too.

So appropriate course of action is to take them all into Europe and drown in joys of multiculturalism.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So appropriate course of action is to take them all into Europe and drown in joys of multiculturalism.

I didn't say that. I simply pointed out that you made an incorrect claim about Somalia.

 

[novcze]

I didn't say that. I simply pointed out that you made an incorrect claim about Somalia.

I'm not Carbonox.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'm not Carbonox.

My apologies Sometimes I struggle to see the join

 

[squadops]

They didn't come via refugee stream, we have christian fund called Generation 21 which organize "saving" of christians from Syria and Iraq ... but those ungrateful buggers are using it as a travel agency, now other group of Syrians are going to Germany.

Are they hostile or simply abusing the system? I can easily see people wanting a vacation on someone else's dime lol. It does seem like a worthy cause if it's helping those in true need.

 

[novcze]

Are they hostile or simply abusing the system? I can easily see people wanting a vacation on someone else's dime lol. It does seem like a worthy cause if it's helping those in true need.

Abusing good will, at least some of them. It's not state funded, just public donations ... anyway state did stop operations of this fund (by not giving asylum so there is no point in continuation).
Group of 25 christians from Syria who headed into Germany were detained by German police and will be returned to Czech Republic where they go straight into detention and since they refused asylum here, they have one month to arrange their departure from our country (but not into another schengen country, like they tried).

 

[mister dog]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/greece-...ead-of-migrant-transfers-to-turkey-1459697255

On Monday they will start sending back migrants back to Turkey, hope that they manage ok and those 50.000 migrants stuck in Greece mainland don't start a revolt.

It seems the open gate has finally been closed, so that will stop everyone thinking Europe is up for grabs. Finally some sort of solution for the problem, took them almost a year to do it...

 

[novcze]

On Monday they will start sending back migrants back to Turkey, hope that they manage ok and those 50.000 migrants stuck in Greece mainland don't start a revolt.

You mean more revolting than they already do?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/02/greece-violence-refugees-riot-forced-return-to-turkey

 

[mister dog]

You mean more revolting than they already do?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/02/greece-violence-refugees-riot-forced-return-to-turkey

Doesn't look good

Were Greece planning to deploy the army, or are they just counting on police and those 200 Frontex officers out of the 2300 promised that have arrived...

I already sense the headlines next week.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

When that "60 Minutes" crew was attacked in Sweden, everyone was quick to condemn the attack and suggested that the film crew were completely innocent.

Here's what "60 Minutes" have been up to since - attempting to abduct children off the street in broad daylight in a foreign country and take them out of the jurisdiction:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...ng-60-minutes-shocked-lebanese-father/7309622

Bear in mind that this would have required the oversight and approval of the editor. Given that they were willing to commit a litany of serious criminal offences to get the story - tyrant Middle Eastern father stages parental abduction after marriage breaks down; "heroic" team of journalists defy law to "rescue" children and reunite them with inconsolable mother - can anyone really believe that the attack in Sweden was unprovoked?

 

[Johnnypenso]

When that "60 Minutes" crew was attacked in Sweden, everyone was quick to condemn the attack and suggested that the film crew were completely innocent.

Here's what "60 Minutes" have been up to since - attempting to abduct children off the street in broad daylight in a foreign country and take them out of the jurisdiction:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...ng-60-minutes-shocked-lebanese-father/7309622

Bear in mind that this would have required the oversight and approval of the editor. Given that they were willing to commit a litany of serious criminal offences to get the story - tyrant Middle Eastern father stages parental abduction after marriage breaks down; "heroic" team of journalists defy law to "rescue" children and reunite them with inconsolable mother - can anyone really believe that the attack in Sweden was unprovoked?

Not how I remember it. You leaped to the conclusion that the 60 Minutes crew was guilty with absolutely zero evidence of their guilt and some others, myself included, simply pointed out that you were just making up "facts" to support your made up conclusion. The actual facts that were available on film, pointed to the news crew being assaulted by masked immigrant thugs but you seemed to think that was ok because they were provoked. Maybe the 60 Minutes crew made faces at them or something, common justification for being assaulted by masked vigilanties in certain jurisdictions I suppose.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions, nowhere does it say in the quoted article that the 60 Minutes crew attempted to abduct children, it says they are being investigated to determine if they were involved at all. Did you even read that article or just jump to your own conclusions based on the headline?

 

[mister dog]

can anyone really believe that the attack in Sweden was unprovoked?

Yes.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Not how I remember it. You leaped to the conclusion that the 60 Minutes crew was guilty with absolutely zero evidence of their guilt and some others, myself included, simply pointed out that you were just making up "facts" to support your made up conclusion.

If I recall correctly you had no problem with them parading that well-known agent provocateur around the area and then seeming completely surprised when they encountered hostility.

At the time you seemed to have no knowledge of the Australian 60 Minutes and were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in a way that I'm sure you wouldn't for shock-jock story-stirring programmes or websites that you'd had more prior knowledge of.

 

[squadops]

@prisonermonkeys what is the circumstance where the mother was denied her children? It would not surprise me to see 60 minutes instigate something to get a story, but Lebanon does not equal Sweden unless I'm missing something here.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If I recall correctly you had no problem with them parading that well-known agent provocateur around the area and then seeming completely surprised when they encountered hostility.

At the time you seemed to have no knowledge of the Australian 60 Minutes and were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in a way that I'm sure you wouldn't for shock-jock story-stirring programmes or websites that you'd had more prior knowledge of.

You are correct, I don't believe that the presence of someone I don't like is reason enough to assault and possibly attempt to kill someone. I don't need knowledge of the Australian 60 Minutes crew to approach the situation without pre-conceived notions of innocence and guilt.

 

[mister dog]

If I recall correctly you had no problem with them parading that well-known agent provocateur around the area and then seeming completely surprised when they encountered hostility.

Your assumption simply, nothing at all pointed towards them provoking an assault so far. But anyhow, please do explain how there is an excuse for people being physically assaulted because of who they are or what they do?

At the time you seemed to have no knowledge of the Australian 60 Minutes and were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in a way that I'm sure you wouldn't for shock-jock story-stirring programmes or websites that you'd had more prior knowledge of.

Again you might want to attempt and discredit those journalists because of their rep on other instances, how does that justify being physically assaulted and ran over by a car?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Your assumption simply, nothing at all pointed towards them provoking an assault so far.

Do you know anything about Sjunneson? His very presence was likely to cause problems.

But anyhow, please do explain how there is an excuse for people being physically assaulted because of who they are or what they do?

Where's the excuse? Knowing the incandescent nature of the situations orchestrated in the past by Sjunneson it was clearly foolish to parade him in an area and cause tension. No excuses, simple common sense.

how does that justify being physically assaulted

See my previous answer.

and ran over by a car?

Source required, so far I've only heard Sjunneson say that.

You are correct, I don't believe that the presence of someone I don't like is reason enough to assault and possibly attempt to kill someone.

I disagree, if somebody spent all their time calling me a paedophile, a rapist, if they were outside my house provoking me day after day... perhaps one day I'd snap.

If you play the numbers game then putting Sjunneson in front of 2-or-3-hundred people who he's done exactly that to, well, you quickly found that some people snap sooner than others. It was to be expected. Certainly from the way 60 Minutes normally operate that would seem to have been what they were hoping for.

I don't need knowledge of the Australian 60 Minutes crew to approach the situation without pre-conceived notions of innocence and guilt.

Of course not. It was all explained for you afterwards though.

 

[mister dog]

Do you know anything about Sjunneson? His very presence was likely to cause problems.

Ah yes, stupid him going to public places whilst he should know better!

Where's the excuse? Knowing the incandescent nature of the situations orchestrated in the past by Sjunneson it was clearly foolish to parade him in an area and cause tension. No excuses, simple common sense.

Nope you clearly give an excuse here for hoodlums to physically attack a person because of his reputation or opinion.

Source required, so far I've only heard Sjunneson say that.

Watch the whole video, i do hope you consider your own eyes as a worthy source.

I disagree, if somebody spent all their time calling me a paedophile, a rapist, if they were outside my house provoking me day after day... perhaps one day I'd snap.

Handle the verbal pressure like any civilized person, even if you might feel provoked (under your assumptions that these thugs even knew who these journalists were), there is still no excuse at all to physically attack someone.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Ah yes, stupid him going to public places whilst he should know better!

Given what he's done in particular public places previously, yes, I quite agree with you.

Nope you clearly give an excuse here for hoodlums to physically attack a person because of his reputation or opinion.

No, you should adjust your translation if you felt that was the case. I said that given previous events it was to be expected. That's a different verb from "excused".

under your assumptions that these thugs even knew who these journalists were

You're mistaking me for someone else, I haven't made an assumption that anybody knew who the journalists were.

I think some people definitely knew who Sjunneson was, I wouldn't count him as a proper journalist though - would you?

 

[Tired Tyres]

When that "60 Minutes" crew was attacked in Sweden, everyone was quick to condemn the attack and suggested that the film crew were completely innocent.

Here's what "60 Minutes" have been up to since - attempting to abduct children off the street in broad daylight in a foreign country and take them out of the jurisdiction:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...ng-60-minutes-shocked-lebanese-father/7309622

Bear in mind that this would have required the oversight and approval of the editor. Given that they were willing to commit a litany of serious criminal offences to get the story - tyrant Middle Eastern father stages parental abduction after marriage breaks down; "heroic" team of journalists defy law to "rescue" children and reunite them with inconsolable mother - can anyone really believe that the attack in Sweden was unprovoked?

This again? That is not relevant to the swedish issue. Nothing except the Swedish issue is relevant to the Swedish issue. Where is your proof that they did what you are so sure they did in Sweden?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Like I said, the incident in Beirut would have required editorial appeoval. It's not reporting news; it's making news. Is it really such a stretch of the imagination to believe that an editor who said "you may kidnap children off the street in broad daylight" would also say "you may do or say whatever it takes to get someone to swing a punch at you"?

 

[Spurgy 777]

Like I said, the incident in Beirut would have required editorial appeoval. It's not reporting news; it's making news. Is it really such a stretch of the imagination to believe that an editor who said "you may kidnap children off the street in broad daylight" would also say "you may do or say whatever it takes to get someone to swing a punch at you"?

Or the editor could have just approved to them reporting on the abduction, not carrying it out themselves, unless you have evidence that the crew hired the recovery agency and organised the abduction. It even says in the article (which I wonder if you even read past the title) that authorities are investigating whether the crew was involved in taking the children, and until they've done that you can't really come to any conclusions. Unless you want to be hypocritical and say that evidence is only important when you don't like the conclusions.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Or the editor could have just approved to them reporting on the abduction, not carrying it out themselves, unless you have evidence that the crew hired the recovery agency and organised the abduction.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...otched-child-abduction-statement-says/7313012

It even says in the article (which I wonder if you even read past the title) that authorities are investigating whether the crew was involved in taking the children, and until they've done that you can't really come to any conclusions.

The childrens' grandmother has said that there was a camera present when they were confronted on the street.

 

[squadops]

So the father was in the wrong and guilty of kidnapping? I noticed how you ignored my question the first time, so I will press you on it.

Of course kidnapping back is not the right answer but common now, and once again this relates to Sweden how?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Of course kidnapping back is not the right answer but common now, and once again this relates to Sweden how?

I can't answer for @prisonermonkeys but my impression is this;

60 Minutes is seemingly being held up as the last bastion of journalistic ethics and editorial wisdom. From their long track record this clearly isn't the case. In the Sweden discussion a video was posted where they took a very well-known anti-Muslim activist to a dense Muslim area and were then seemingly surprised when trouble arose. Watch any of their programmes and see what you think to their journalistic style and, more importantly, integrity. I believe that most right-minded people would soon spot a pattern in their methods.