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I'm not the person your arguments often so desperately need me to be.
No, you're not. Because my arguments don't need you to be anything. My opinion of you is a response to how you present yourself. If I "tarred you as a racist", it's because you said something that I thought was racist, and you didn't do anything afterwards to prove otherwise.

Guess what? Some people are more complex.
You aren't. 90% of what you post simply criticises everyone around you. It's the one constant when everything else is in flux. Your opinions on the topic of the day change constantly, depending on what makes it easiest for you to criticise. I have never seen you post anything positive about any subject. Why do you think that I see absolutely no redeeming value in anything you say?
 
@prisonermonkeys We wouldn't even be on this still if you had presented your valid point in a logical way. It is completely fair to doubt 60 Minutes' intentions, but you wanted a hard fact for your black and white world, I suspect - so you drew a conclusion instead.

It seems you want to do good - but the rigidness is crippling your would be effectiveness.
 
Germany seems to be missing almost 6000 young immigrants.

8000 were reported missing, and just little over 2000 have been found back.
 
Germany seems to be missing almost 6000 young immigrants.

8000 were reported missing, and just little over 2000 have been found back.
Oops! I guess they don't have a clue of where they went neither...
This whole migrant crisis sure did open my eyes on how incompetent our 'leaders' can be when faced with a crisis.
 
Should've hit that subhuman a bit harder. Not that it would've changed anything, because his - and his gang's - contribution to society is nonexistant anyway.

I dont understand why you could say something like that and a lot of people that are famous here( like johnnypenso and others like your post) Do not take it wrong but i think it is funny. In sweden people that comes are from countries that are not Aryen are seen by many people like subhuman. I know that for a fact as I myself am polish and have many and many times over and over again experienced when my friends friends have gotten to know that I am polish and spewed out things that does not belong here. In short people that are not considered pure whites should not be talking about subhuman this and subhuman this. it is like house slave acting high and mighty over the other slaves from the field. Do you follow me? so drop this. I am not saying that Aryan people are supermensch or something cus they are not but in this context you/we got nothing to be high and mighty over cus we are seen as them(black people) in many many nordic/german peoples eyes.
 
Yo, great job missing the point there.

And since I'm going to bed soon, I might as well edit an elaboration into this post. The fault in your argument is that you were too quick to jump to the conclusion that it was somehow about race. I don't know about the historical contexts of the 'subhuman' word, but to me, it sounds like a pretty damn fine term to describe a petty gangbanger like the one in the video, who gets a hard-on from intimidating and assaulting people that wander into the "wrong" part of town.
 
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The difference is that I'm not under the impression that I just dropped the mic by dealing a devastating blow to somebody's self-perception that will act as a catalyst for change.
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that LeMansAid is far too much of a regular on this subforum to believe that he was capable of doing such a thing with you any more than anyone else believes such a thing is possible.
 
My issue stems more from the hypocrisy of some members. Looking at the Sweden assault, they're the great defenders of freedom of speech and cite the likes of the First Amendment, but they clearly don't understand how the First Amendment was intended to work. To hear them tell it, the "60 Minutes" crew had carte blanche to say what they wanted, when they wanted, where they wanted and to whom they wanted, and that anyone listening either had to take it or walk away.

But here's the problem: what the film crew did isn't considered free speech. I know that we're talking about a different jurisdiction, but in Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled that speech is not considered free when it is used to incite "imminent lawless action". Similar restrictions apply under Section 18C of our own Racial Discrimination Act. The film crew was running around a neighbourhood with a high immigrant population in the company of an outspoken anti-Islamic activist. They should have been able to reasonably forsee that their words had a high probability of resulting in violence, so given their inciting nature of their words, it's not protected speech.
 
Yo, great job missing the point there.

And since I'm going to bed soon, I might as well edit an elaboration into this post. The fault in your argument is that you were too quick to jump to the conclusion that it was somehow about race. I don't know about the historical contexts of the 'subhuman' word, but to me, it sounds like a pretty damn fine term to describe a petty gangbanger like the one in the video, who gets a hard-on from intimidating and assaulting people that wander into the "wrong" part of town.

How could I jump to the "race" conclusion? Well because if a white person had been behaving like that you would not call him subhuman. That is why, it is only about the race in this case. Sure there are a lot of "gangbangers" like that and I myself have woken up in a ambulance and spending a night at the hospital after receiving a lot of beating after a night out from what I think was immigrants but they are not subhumans for that. I call people like that poor and trying to survive any means necessary.
 
My issue stems more from the hypocrisy of some members. Looking at the Sweden assault, they're the great defenders of freedom of speech and cite the likes of the First Amendment, but they clearly don't understand how the First Amendment was intended to work. To hear them tell it, the "60 Minutes" crew had carte blanche to say what they wanted, when they wanted, where they wanted and to whom they wanted, and that anyone listening either had to take it or walk away.

But here's the problem: what the film crew did isn't considered free speech. I know that we're talking about a different jurisdiction, but in Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled that speech is not considered free when it is used to incite "imminent lawless action". Similar restrictions apply under Section 18C of our own Racial Discrimination Act. The film crew was running around a neighbourhood with a high immigrant population in the company of an outspoken anti-Islamic activist. They should have been able to reasonably forsee that their words had a high probability of resulting in violence, so given their inciting nature of their words, it's not protected speech.
Wrong on just about every level. As has been mentioned many times already, the issue is with your drawing conclusions about the incident in question with no facts at all, based purely on your own prejudices and pre-conceptions, while implying that violence is somehow a natural/expected reaction to someone exercising their freedom in a western democracy to say that they don't like you.

How could I jump to the "race" conclusion? Well because if a white person had been behaving like that you would not call him subhuman. That is why, it is only about the race in this case. Sure there are a lot of "gangbangers" like that and I myself have woken up in a ambulance and spending a night at the hospital after receiving a lot of beating after a night out from what I think was immigrants but they are not subhumans for that. I call people like that poor and trying to survive any means necessary.
Looks like you and @prisonermonkeys may be competitors at the upcoming Parkour Olympics in the 100m Jumping to Conclusions event.
 
implying that violence is somehow a natural/expected reaction to someone exercising their freedom in a western democracy to say that they don't like you
And what does freedom of speech have to say about putting words in others' mouths?

I have never said that - I simply disputed the idea that the film crew were innocent victims unreasonably assaulted in an unprovoked assault.
 
Again how could I jump to conclusion in this case when he said: Should've hit that subhuman a bit harder. Not that it would've changed anything, because his - and his gang's - contribution to society is nonexistant anyway.

it is not about the contribution to society of the "gangbanger" because we know nothing about him and what the does. All he does is jumping to conclusion himself solely based on that particular video clip.

people are getting warnings for grammar and being seeing as passive aggressive but calling a person for subhuman is all right? That is straight up racism on his part.
 
And what does freedom of speech have to say about putting words in others' mouths?

I have never said that - I simply disputed the idea that the film crew were innocent victims unreasonably assaulted in an unprovoked assault.
Never said that eh?
....I promise you that if they got in trouble, it's because they actively went looking for it .....

Yes, let's hold the migrants accountable for the obvious provocation by the "journalists".

.... I promise you that that film crew went looking for a fight, then selectively edited it to look like an unprovoked attack. ....

How does anything the man on the street did, if anything, justify being provoked into committing an act of violence? What you fail to recognise is that the attack would not have happened if the film crew hadn't provoked him, so how is the man wholly responsible for what happened?


Again how could I jump to conclusion in this case when he said: Should've hit that subhuman a bit harder. Not that it would've changed anything, because his - and his gang's - contribution to society is nonexistant anyway.

it is not about the contribution to society of the "gangbanger" because we know nothing about him and what the does. All he does is jumping to conclusion himself solely based on that particular video clip.

people are getting warnings for grammar and being seeing as passive aggressive but calling a person for subhuman is all right? That is straight up racism on his part.
He said, "the subhuman". It's his opinion that the person or persons in question are subhuman due to the nature of the acts committed I presume. He made no reference to race, that's the parkour level conclusion that you leaped to, even after it was explained to you.
 
Never said that eh?
I see a lot of examples and inferences. This is what you claim that I said:

that violence is somehow a natural/expected reaction to someone exercising their freedom in a western democracy to say that they don't like you
And while my posts can certainly be interpreted in the way that you do, they can also be interpreted as my pointing out that violence was a reasonably-forseeable outcome of the camera crew's actions. It's also pretty obvious that this is my intention.

For someone so quick to criticise others for selectively interpreting posts, you certainly do a lot of selective interpretation yourself.
 
He said, "the subhuman". It's his opinion that the person or persons in question are subhuman due to the nature of the acts committed I presume. He made no reference to race, that's the parkour level conclusion that you leaped to, even after it was explained to you.

No it is obvious that he meant it exactly that way as I interpreted it. He called the foolish black youngster "that subhuman". So why has none called Anders Behring Breivik for killing in 77 people systematically and in cold blood if I remember correctly for "subhuman"? Who is worse, a stupid young stud that probably will get bored at his situation and get a job when he grows up or a serial killer? It is a fair comparison.
 
No it is obvious that he meant it exactly that way as I interpreted it. He called the foolish black youngster "that subhuman". So why has none called Anders Behring Breivik for killing in 77 people systematically and in cold blood if I remember correctly for "subhuman"? Who is worse, a stupid young stud that probably will get bored at his situation and get a job when he grows up or a serial killer? It is a fair comparison.
No it isn't obvious, you assume that it is...big difference.

Anders Breivik is the worst human being alive
Anders Breivik should be executed and sent to hell
Anders Breivik should be slow tortured with 1000 lacerations
[Anders Breivik] deserves to be tied down for the rest of his life with a tube rammed down his throat feeding him nutrients while he gets daily intense beating for the rest of his life if they do choose execution let his head be put in a box with a bunch of hungry rats

There's more if you need. In before, "you didn't find the exact same word used so it doesn't count".
 
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Again how could I jump to conclusion in this case when he said: Should've hit that subhuman a bit harder. Not that it would've changed anything, because his - and his gang's - contribution to society is nonexistant anyway.

it is not about the contribution to society of the "gangbanger" because we know nothing about him and what the does. All he does is jumping to conclusion himself solely based on that particular video clip.

people are getting warnings for grammar and being seeing as passive aggressive but calling a person for subhuman is all right? That is straight up racism on his part.
Frankly if you're that bothered about the language I use to describe a loser of a violent, aggressive gang member, I feel your priorities aren't entirely straight.

You may have gone through harsh times, but it doesn't mean you get to police my language while I'm talking about a situation wholly separate to yours.
 
Frankly if you're that bothered about the language I use to describe a loser of a violent, aggressive gang member, I feel your priorities aren't entirely straight.

But surely it was started by one of the 60 Minutes presentation team calling them paedophiles, rapists etc?

Then you propogate the hatred by calling them sub-human?

You yourself would hate to be policed even in something as simple as language, why should other people just suck up orders about how to live their lives.
 
But surely it was started by one of the 60 Minutes presentation team calling them paedophiles, rapists etc?

Then you propogate the hatred by calling them sub-human?

You yourself would hate to be policed even in something as simple as language, why should other people just suck up orders about how to live their lives.
Only one person has so far made that claim (with no concrete evidence to boot), are you joining in now?
 
Should've hit that subhuman a bit harder. Not that it would've changed anything, because his - and his gang's - contribution to society is nonexistant anyway.

Don't use the term again, the AUP is quote clear in this regard.....

AUP
You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

.....and its not up for debate.

You may have gone through harsh times, but it doesn't mean you get to police my language while I'm talking about a situation wholly separate to yours.
He doesn't. The staff do, don't do it again.
 
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