Immigration

[Small_Fryz]

If only we had somebody whose entire job hinged on a detailed knowledge of sentence construction and could therefore decide one way or the other ... oh, wait, we do have somebody like that.

squadops would have us believe that the "60 Minutes" crew were minding their own business in a neighbourhood with a high migrant population when they were coincidentally joined by a notoriously outspoken and aggressive anti-Muslim advocate at time when they just happened to be reporting on the way Sweden's liberal immigration policies were allowing brutal, parasitic thugs into the country and were in turn undermining Swedish values and western democracy. And then without warning or precedent, they were attacked in the middle of the street - but not before they had just enough time to get their cameras out and record the whole thing. squadops would also have everyone believe that anyone who points this out is an advocate for people going around attacking others in the street, even though nobody who pointed this out has ever actually said that. The irony is that you're defending the canera crew on the grounds of free speech, even though there isn't a single definition of free speech that includes provocation or incitement to violence.

 

[novcze]

8 christians from Iraq housed in my home city decided to return to Iraq ... yeah sure, poor refugees running from oppression

and another 16 gone ... omg We didn't expect this foreign language to be so hard and why we don't have our own house yet, totally unexpected .... at least they have decency to leave and project was stopped

 

[TenEightyOne]

didn't expect this foreign language to be so hard and why we don't have our own house yet, totally unexpected

Source?

 

[novcze]

Source?

local TV, they complained about language related problems and housing ... one thing is clear, if they were under real threat back in Iraq, they would never go back.

 

[mister dog]

Paris last Thursday:

 

[Dennisch]

Reports are coming out that up to 400 people could have drowned after the sinking of several boats in the Mediterranean.

 

[novcze]

‘No visa-free travel - no migrant deal,’ Turkey tells increasingly wary EU ... oh yeah, prepare for more extortion

 

[mister dog]

‘No visa-free travel - no migrant deal,’ Turkey tells increasingly wary EU ... oh yeah, prepare for more extortion

Wir schaffen das!

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/24/austrian-nationalists-triumphs-presidential-election/

Austria’s anti mass immigration party triumphed Sunday in the first round of presidential elections, dealing a wake-up call to Vienna’s cosy political establishment two years before the next scheduled general election. Norbert Hofer of the Freedom Party (FPOe) won 36.7 of the vote, projections showed, with candidates from the two governing parties failing to even make it into a runoff on May 22, projections showed.

The result, if confirmed, means that for the first time since 1945, Austria will not have a president backed by either the Social Democrats (SPOe) or their centre-right coalition partners the People’s Party (OeVP). The SPOe’s candidate Rudolf Hundstorfer came joint fourth with just 11.2 percent, level with Andreas Khol of the OeVP. It was the best-ever result at federal level for the FPOe, whose entry into government in 2000 under the late SS-admiring Joerg Haider sent shock waves through Europe.

 

[squadops]

I keep thinking of Germany running things and think to myself hmmmmmm. Is it way off base?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I keep thinking of Germany running things and think to myself hmmmmmm. Is it way off base?

Yes. This is the presidential role and confined to Austria. Which isn't Germany

 

[squadops]

Neat, that is not what I was referring to however.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Neat, that is not what I was referring to however.

Perhaps you should be clearer then? What does "Germany running things" have to do with the Presidential election in another country, and how is it away from the base?

 

[squadops]

Thread title

I do my best to keep things on topic, you know, EU, immigration, Germany, etc.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I do my best to keep things on topic, you know, EU, immigration, Germany, etc.

Germany are certainly the largest and strongest economy in Europe at this time... but are they running Immigration? I wasn't aware of that

 

[squadops]

Germany are certainly the largest and strongest economy in Europe at this time... but are they running Immigration? I wasn't aware of that

Of course not directly, they have plenty of pull though if you know what I mean. This is what I was getting at and also a few more links I think you might like 👍

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/31/is-germany-too-powerful-for-europe

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35767395
http://www.thelocal.de/20160322/how-germany-reacted-to-the-brussels-attacks

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Two refugees on Nauru have set themselves on fire (one of whom died after failing to receive medical attention for two hours and did not receive painkillers for ten hours). Who does the immigration minister blame for this? Why, advocacy groups, of course. According to Dutton, advocacy groups put pressure on refugees to behave in a particular manner to try and garner sympathy from the public. Which is somewhat unusual, given that Dutton has gone out of his way to cut detainees off from the outside world.

Meanwhile, the High Court of Papua New Guinea has ruled that the deal with Australia to house detainees on Manus Island is unconstitutional and has ordered the prison camp's immediate closure.

 

[squadops]

Meanwhile, the High Court of Papua New Guinea has ruled that the deal with Australia to house detainees on Manus Island is unconstitutional and has ordered the prison camp's immediate closure.

I hate that as well, we have deplorable giant tent get ups to house illegal aliens without any sort of habeas corpus etc. Deportation is one thing false imprisonment is another.

 

[novcze]

According to Dutton, advocacy groups put pressure on refugees to behave in a particular manner to try and garner sympathy from the public.

Ehh?


From:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...efugees-encouraged-by-advocates-nauru/7378938

Speaking in Canberra on Tuesday morning, Mr Dutton accused advocates of providing false hope to those have been held in offshore detention.

"I have previously expressed my frustration and anger at advocates and others who are in contact with those in regional processing centres and who are encouraging some of these people to behave in a certain way, believing that that pressure exerted on the Australian Government will see a change in our policy in relation to our border protection measures," Mr Dutton said.

 

[FoRiZon]

I knownits from Cracked. But the fact that it also includes the Links to consider makes me like it mostbof the time.

http://www.cracked.com/article_23872_6-dumb-myths-people-constantly-believe-about-immigration.html

 

[LeMansAid]

Ehh?

From:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...efugees-encouraged-by-advocates-nauru/7378938

Speaking in Canberra on Tuesday morning, Mr Dutton accused advocates of providing false hope to those have been held in offshore detention.

"I have previously expressed my frustration and anger at advocates and others who are in contact with those in regional processing centres and who are encouraging some of these people to behave in a certain way, believing that that pressure exerted on the Australian Government will see a change in our policy in relation to our border protection measures," Mr Dutton said.

But it's not like anyone believes that provocation has any effect, or can lead to harm though, right?

Yes, let's hold the migrants accountable for the obvious provocation by the "journalists".

Oh...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Oh...

You heard that sound rocketing over your head? That's the sound of the obvious sarcasm on in post flying over your head, the sarcasm that you - and only you - missed.

See, this is what happens when you are so quick to criticise people and let your opinions be formed based on whatever is easiest to criticise people for: you inevitably end up embarrassing yourself.

 

[LeMansAid]

You heard that sound rocketing over your head? That's the sound of the obvious sarcasm on in post flying over your head, the sarcasm that you - and only you - missed.

See, this is what happens when you are so quick to criticise people and let your opinions be formed based on whatever is easiest to criticise people for: you inevitably end up embarrassing yourself.

Actually, my point works only when allowing for the sarcasm.

The quote was meant to serve as a general pointer back to another scenario where provocation factored in the discussion. I'm very interested to see how you respond to what @novcze posted. Will you blame the supposed provocateurs?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Actually, my point works only when allowing for the sarcasm.

The quote was meant to serve as a general pointer back to another scenario where provocation factored in the discussion. I'm very interested to see how you respond to what @novcze posted. Will you blame the supposed provocateurs?

Don't worry, I think most of us understood what you did there

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Will you blame the supposed provocateurs?

No, I won't. I won't because there was no provocation. Dutton can argue that there was, but he and the government have made a point of cutting the facilities off from the outside world. The last time a group of detainees tried to get legal representation for a High Court challenge, the government shut the facility down, moved the detainees to an offshore facility in the middle of the night and then blocked the lawyers from getting access to the new facility. The entire process is lumped under the banner of national security specifically to prevent anyone from getting access.

Dutton wants us to believe that the system works perfectly, and that any problems that arise are a direct result of disruptive influences - read: bleeding-heart liberals - who want to undermine the government and throw the borders wide open to anyone who can get here, however they do it. The problem is that his actions prove otherwise; he has actively and repeatedly moved to prevent anyone from getting there.

 

[LeMansAid]

No, I won't. I won't because there was no provocation.

You're not willing to take the leap of faith though?

Personally, I'd be loathe to make judgments about refugee advocates without proper evidence to show that they did indeed unreasonably incite refugee behaviour. I do appreciate consistency though, so you'll have that tiny bit of respect from me when you sink the boot in to them.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'd be loathe to make judgments about refugee advocates without proper evidence to show that they did indeed unreasonably incite refugee behaviour.

Are you even reading my posts? How are refugee advocates supposed to incite behaviour when they have no access to the refugees? That's where my criticism of Dutton is coming from - he blames the advocates for encouraging certain behaviours among refugees, but his ministry has introduced policies that prevent advocates from getting access to the refugees.

 

[LeMansAid]

Are you even reading my posts? How are refugee advocates supposed to incite behaviour when they have no access to the refugees? That's where my criticism of Dutton is coming from - he blames the advocates for encouraging certain behaviours among refugees, but his ministry has introduced policies that prevent advocates from getting access to the refugees.

Did the detainees in question have any kind of access to refugee advocates? Generalities won't cut it.

I know that there are advocates out there, like me, who are texting, messaging, WhatsApping all the time.

You calling her a liar?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I have no idea whose word to trust, because the government has gone out of its way to make the issue as opaque as possible. The only advocates who have any access to detainees are the advocates who are approved to have access by the government - the same government who criminalised the act of whistle-blowing by anyone working at offshore facilities.

 

[Carbonox]

EU may fine member states €250.000 per rejected refugee

Is this the awesome, morally righteous solution to the crisis?