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I don't remember saying you made anything up. If I did try to cut infront of you from the outside (without help from someone behind me), anywhere on the track, I apologize.
But you miss the point. The GTP tag, or any forum/group tag, is supposed to mean that you take it a little more seriously (sometimes much more) than the average punter and thus should maybe know a little more about racing. I've been racing online in GT5P for many months now but have noticed this trend of the GTP tag especially meaning less and less. I have my own feelings as to why this is, which don't matter to this discussion, but alot of people seem to think they can do whatever they wish on the track and then come here and apologize or make ammends. others just seem to not even care.
The whole point of running a team tag is to race with people who are going to drive clean and know how to race in the first place. If you are going to use the "There ar elots of new people here..." argument then what is the point of having team tags in the first place?
I've noticed in my many months online that a few other of the well known teams have far less issues with this, mostly due to them being smaller communities that are far more selective about running team/group tags. GTP is by far the most successful forum out there for the GT series, has been for many years, and it is the first place people generally land when they get into OLR (it's where I landed years and years ago when I got into it with GT3). For that reason we maybe need some kind of educational component on race strategy and etiquette. There are a few here who have written at length on it, but generally it gets swept under the rug... not intentionally mostly, just due to the mass numbers of posts about "what the coolest car is" or "help me with this challenge" posts. If you dig back into the GT3 and GT4 boards here you'll find an awful lot of the information.
How do we educate GTP drivers? I have no idea? I'd be more than happy to help organize something if anyone has ideas, mods or otherwise, but it is very much needed. Has been for sometime.
Oh and that has nothing to do with the divisions. This has been an issue for a long time before. In many cases the game itself has caused alot of it by the nature of the A/B/C/S challenges and how one is "taught" (rather made to use bad habits to pass/win many of them) to drive in them. Much has been written about this as well in this very forum.
Look. I agree with you on the differences between cars racing one another, speed/grip differences, and the overtaking opportunities they offer...but that only goes so far.
If you look at Suzuka you have the following places that are resonable to attempt a pass in general;
1) Drafting off of the stright into turn 1 and outbraking on the inside
2) Exit of spoon (the straight after actually, up the hill) if you take it cleaner and carry more speed.
3) Entry into the final chincane, or exit out depending on the line(s) you and the other car take
Places on Suzuka that are iffy to pass, but with trusted drivers can be done;
-Inside the exit of Dunlop, but only if the other car botch the entry and didn't carry enough speed through
-The hairpin on the inside, but again easy to shove someone wide in the game.
- On the inside on the exit of Degner before the bridge, but like the final chinane it depends on the line(s) the two cars take and how much you trust the person on the inside.
Place on Suzuka that are NOT places to overtake, generally.
- The esses
- Entry into Dunlop
- The right hander into spoon (280r?) on the outside (unless you REALLY trust the car inside not to run wide in the apex). It's super dicey as if you try to pass here generally, if you intend it or not, you force the person on the inside to loose at least 20-40kph to not put you in the grass and take the apex wide
-Enrty into 130r (never!), on the straight leading to it fine, but get the pass done before or on the T2 mark.
Those final four places seem to be 90% of the trouble and bickering at Suzuka.
I agree it happens. I've done stupid things. GTP_Wanna_B and I were just discussing one, thought we disagree. However when it becomes the norm and people keep doing it race after a race it is no longer an accident. I won't say it's malicious generally, but it's unacceptable in this case.
And Lag is why I loath to see all of these international events. Lag has always been online with GT5p, but with events that are region locked it seems much less of an issue. I hope PD goes back to more region locked events and/or fixes their servers to reduce the lag. GT5p is afterall a demo and I hope PD is learning from all the issues they are finding. Sadly though, with the number of world events PD keeps giving us they haven't figured it out...or maybe they are doing it in order to work out the bugs. Regardless I miss region locked events...lag was much less of an issue.
But...in all the races I was in this afternoon I saw no lag and didn't suffer any from my POV. Today's hijinks were all drivers. I've seen very bad lag days and today was not one of them.
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