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IRS 2019 2.4 Hours of Le Mans | Race complete | Congratulations to our winners
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Quali 2 for LMP2 is concluded.
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@aceboy127
Got back home 6hrs ago, but working for another 6 hrs today before I am 100% good to do a Q session.
- Do I just get the 1 session? Or do I have 2?
- what is the rule on invalidations? Do you invalidate the whole session or only the laps that were unclean?
Got back home 6hrs ago, but working for another 6 hrs today before I am 100% good to do a Q session.
- Do I just get the 1 session? Or do I have 2?
- what is the rule on invalidations? Do you invalidate the whole session or only the laps that were unclean?
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...be fair to yourself and if you cut somewhere just let off throttle. Also qualifying is not that of a big deal when you race endurance race, it is more of a strategy with fuel and tire usage combined with consistent laps...
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That isn't what I asked....be fair to yourself and if you cut somewhere just let off throttle. Also qualifying is not that of a big deal when you race endurance race, it is more of a strategy with fuel and tire usage combined with consistent laps...
If I have been deemed to have cut on my Fastest Lap and end my session... does the whole session become null or just the overseer just count my fastest valid lap?
Everyone tends to have a subtle variation of what they would allow and not allow as being within the limit.
I could be strict on myself and lift off if half a pixel of the ouside tyre hits the kerb, or I could be ultra lenient and run all the way to the outer white line with the inside tyre running half a pixel remaining on it.
With the bits underlined in italics, you'd be surprised that this is in fact the variation of interpretation across all of GTPlanet. Yes, some people on here ARE anal enough to think any kerb use is a breach of track limits, and yes, some ARE lax enough to allow anything except actually 100% crossing over the outer white line/kerb as WITHIN bounds.
As a result, I just run MY interpretation and gather feedback from the overseeing steward.... usually on a dummy run to scope out what they think.
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No, as far as I know, seassion lasts 30minutes, so you put in as many laps as you can, cut or not...
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You can have 2 just like everyone else.
We've been pretty lenient on corner-cutting honestly, part of the reason I'm considering penalties on for the race. In all honesty you should try to run clean laps, but if you go over the edge once or twice, it's not the end of the world. Cutting the whole lap is a different story, and lets be honest is completely unfair to those of us that actually try to stay in bounds.
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I mean if everyone kept it in bounds I wouldn't have to consider it, but obviously I cannot trust guys to keep it bounds for 30 minutes, not even count the 2.4 hour race itself. It's sad that it only takes a couple guys to make this come up, but it is an major unfair advantage to cut and get away with it.
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Ok @aceboy127 cheers.
The main thing with PD penalty system at Le Mans is that 2 wheels on kerb at the Mulsanne Chicanes is considered a penalty offence. The penalties are harsh too.
The main thing with PD penalty system at Le Mans is that 2 wheels on kerb at the Mulsanne Chicanes is considered a penalty offence. The penalties are harsh too.
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I'm not a big fan of the penalty system either, but in my opinion it's better then the alternative. I'd only run them on light, so that way it's not completely ridiculous. I've done some races on Le Mans and not found it to be that bad, but I won't do it without extensive testing.
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I may not be able to race and I'm really pissed about it because I really hate summer and heat in general. My Central Air system stopped working last night and when they came this morning he said the Freyon is leaking and they topped it off but don't know how long because they can't tell how fast it's leaking. They left 15 minutes ago and it's already back to how it was last night so I fear we need an entirely new system. If we don't get one by Friday I have to back out. I'm not planning on racing in a room that's 85 degrees with a fan blowing hot air on my face. It's one thing to simulate racing but I don't want to simulate that part of it. Heat makes me unbearably uncomfortable so we'll see what happens.
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What it will do is effectively change the allowable track limits 3 days before the race, not to mention after qualifying. I'm not about it.
If it's found that someone cut track intentionally/excessively you can always impose your own time penalty or disqualify them outright if egregious enough. The only instances of intentional track limit violations I saw in qualifying were drivers on out-laps or off-laps trying to get to their teammate's bumper. All of the hot laps I saw were pretty clean.
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It's basically a question of do you want to cheat knowing you cheated or do you have integrity and respect for the race?
When you see someone in front of you be very mindful of where they go and if you can make note of them cutting corners please do so. We all stewards for each other. The problem lies in someone that is so far gapped to everyone else that no one has a visual on them.
When you see someone in front of you be very mindful of where they go and if you can make note of them cutting corners please do so. We all stewards for each other. The problem lies in someone that is so far gapped to everyone else that no one has a visual on them.
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You're right, I don't need to be changing anything else before the race as many drivers have already put in many hours going around this track getting laps in and throwing something like this at them would absolutely destroy all of the hard work they put in so far. I mean they would have to completely relearn how to drive this track. Yeah @Whitetail did make a good point. It's too late to change it now, so forget I said anything, just know I'm not going to spend 60+ hours after this race watching to see if any driver cuts corners.
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Is it too late to qualify? Been away from home a few days. Can do qualifying tomorrow or Thursday, preferably before 7 pm est. I'm sorry if I've caused problems missing the official Q sessions.
Is it too late to qualify? Been away from home a few days. Can do qualifying tomorrow or Thursday, preferably before 7 pm est. I'm sorry if I've caused problems missing the official Q sessions.
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The penalties at LeMans are broken. That is the only reason i would not want them on, even if light.
PD have always really ****ed up this track with their penalty limits, even on light unfortunately. You can take a normal racing line in a few of the corners and get a penalty. Lines that every car in the real race take and PD gives a penalty. This track is just broken in this regard unfortunately.
It's an entirely new way to learn to drive LeMans if you turn on the penalties. You have to take the time to learn which corners you cant even take the racing line. Indianapolis for one is really ****ed up. I get penalties there and i can never even figure out why sometimes.
It just has very strange track limits. Not what one would expect them to be.
If guys choose to cut continuously and not self penalize by letting off the throttle, then i don't want to race with them (we learn who they are quick enough). Enough of us will be recording our rooms, so if there is a question, we can research it. Cheaters should be dealt with harshly.
Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone runs wide occasionally. Not referring to that. It's only the few who decide their normal racing line is to cut the corners or run wide at the high speed corners consistently because they have no integrity.
PD have always really ****ed up this track with their penalty limits, even on light unfortunately. You can take a normal racing line in a few of the corners and get a penalty. Lines that every car in the real race take and PD gives a penalty. This track is just broken in this regard unfortunately.
It's an entirely new way to learn to drive LeMans if you turn on the penalties. You have to take the time to learn which corners you cant even take the racing line. Indianapolis for one is really ****ed up. I get penalties there and i can never even figure out why sometimes.
It just has very strange track limits. Not what one would expect them to be.
If guys choose to cut continuously and not self penalize by letting off the throttle, then i don't want to race with them (we learn who they are quick enough). Enough of us will be recording our rooms, so if there is a question, we can research it. Cheaters should be dealt with harshly.
Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone runs wide occasionally. Not referring to that. It's only the few who decide their normal racing line is to cut the corners or run wide at the high speed corners consistently because they have no integrity.
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The race will be too long to save replays right? Best to stream through console I think
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Nah you can save the replay provided you have the available space. You just can't share it within Gran Turismo.
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I can get behind wanting a solution that pleases everyone @aceboy127 and we do tend to all have enough respect to not exceed track limits within ourselves, so the number of incidents of track limits is probably going to be minimal.
If PD had a healthy track limit threshold for this track that also included the 3 strike system like IRL as a first warning before slamming on the penalties I'd be quite open to it.
If PD had a healthy track limit threshold for this track that also included the 3 strike system like IRL as a first warning before slamming on the penalties I'd be quite open to it.
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Track cutting is very subjective from one driver to the next. My guess is that no incidents will be reported by anyone after this race.
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Finally, my livery is done.
