Is GT6 too easy?

[mister dog]

Just a question though and please take this in good nature and don't shoot me down, but how realistic do you want it. I've never raced in real life but I imagine that its very, very difficult and that out of the thousands that try only a small few would have the skill to actually win a race. Good in reality but bad for what is essentially a game.

It should cater to all kinds of skill levels. It's not hard to program your AI just so they lap faster and not wait for you at the finish line. Put a "beginner-normal-hard" option in there so the better and faster racers actually have a challenge; a real race with fixed grid starts... All of this without having to constantly handicap your own car.

If the AI only caters for people at a beginner level, you leave out the die hard nuts that love to race for real.

 

[LaughingJack]

[quote="stb155, post: 9190889, member: 249335"]You made it difficult for yourself...

Number 1 rule in GT always was not to waste money with tuning in the beginning.
A Gearbox in a muscle-car or a race suspension in an 4wd/FF that won't turn is Ok, but mayor power/weight tuning is a waste of money. Just get a better car instead.

Reselling is also huge waste of money.

Never buy a car you are not sure about without making a copy of the safegame before...
(Would you spent your real hard earned money on a car without test drive ?)

Easy money is in "like the wind" or the red bull races.
Don't know how difficult the RB races are, but the like the winds are a no brainer with a stock LMP with a few setup changes.
A LMP is ~2mil. i think, should be no problem to get them from all the tests/missions/etc.
Worst case a big turbo and gearbox for the AMG Vision and some grinding at SSX.[/quote]


Have you never played GT5?! it was easy to get cars and money, they were everywhere! and as for "Just get a better car instead." you have obviously not read all my posts properly (if you hav'nt then dont comment) otherwise you would know that i have barely enough money (few hundred grand spare) to tune let alone buy a $1M+ cars.

it really annoys me when n00bs get all holier-than-thou like their way is the obvious right choice and harp on about things before actually checking their facts!!

please read my #222 and #231 posts before commenting.

 

[TheGame21x]

Absolutely. At no point in the game did I feel I lost a race for any reason other than a serious error on my part. I was never outraced or out driven by the AI at any point because it's simply too dumb to pose a threat.

 

[stb155]

[quote="stb155, post: 9190889, member: 249335"]You made it difficult for yourself...

Number 1 rule in GT always was not to waste money with tuning in the beginning.
A Gearbox in a muscle-car or a race suspension in an 4wd/FF that won't turn is Ok, but mayor power/weight tuning is a waste of money. Just get a better car instead.

Reselling is also huge waste of money.

Never buy a car you are not sure about without making a copy of the safegame before...
(Would you spent your real hard earned money on a car without test drive ?)

Easy money is in "like the wind" or the red bull races.
Don't know how difficult the RB races are, but the like the winds are a no brainer with a stock LMP with a few setup changes.
A LMP is ~2mil. i think, should be no problem to get them from all the tests/missions/etc.
Worst case a big turbo and gearbox for the AMG Vision and some grinding at SSX


Have you never played GT5?! it was easy to get cars and money, they were everywhere! and as for "Just get a better car instead." you have obviously not read all my posts properly (if you hav'nt then dont comment) otherwise you would know that i have barely enough money (few hundred grand spare) to tune let alone buy a $1M+ cars.

it really annoys me when n00bs get all holier-than-thou like their way is the obvious right choice and harp on about things before actually checking their facts!!

please read my #222 and #231 posts before commenting.

Yes i read your posts and i tried to give you some tips.
Yes i also played GT5 (3times from 0 to over 90%), and yes it was easier because you got tons of good prize cars.
But you did not got them "for free" like in GT6 (at least not the "gold" ones)

Also GT6 is much easier because you can win most races easily with a lot of different cars that are not really suited for the race, in GT5 a much better car selection was needed.

I don't have the GT6 anniv. Edition with the bonus cars.
I play GT6 like i described, always do gold in license tests, missions, goodwood, online seasonal etc. as soon as they become available for money and prize cars, use prize cars as much as possible, waste no money on tuning, skip races that need a expensive car and do them later, test drive expensive cars before i buy them.

I think i was already in IA when PD came up with the increased prize money and login bonus, so "lost" a lot of money on that.

Stats:
87%, 75/75 license, 534/573 stars, 71 cars, 447 races.
29mil Cr. , 46mil Cr. total earned, 1,9mil spent on tuning (so spent ~15mil on cars i guess)
16kkm, 98h

I have all cars/racecars needed to do all career races "in the right car" and without tuning.

I have not even done one of the red bull races although they are allegedly the easiest/quickest way to get money.

So i really don't get what you are complaining about, i don't know what you did with all the money.
But its not the games fault that you ended up with little money and the wrong cars for IA/S.

In the time you needed to write your last 3 posts you could have earned the 2mil. for a LMP car, and once you have one of those money should really be no issue and you don't even have to grind as there are lots of races for LMP's.

I just earned ~2mil in 2h only by doing the Toyota, M4, X-Bow, NSX and Scirocco seasonals.
Money spent on cars was ZERO, all previous prize cars or "rentals", only ~100k for tuning on NSX and Scirocco (race suspension and weight reduction).

So as long as you don't plan on buying those ridiculous 20mil cars (and they are not needed for any race) i really see no problem in getting enough money.

 

[LaughingJack]

Yes i read your posts and i tried to give you some tips.
Yes i also played GT5 (3times from 0 to over 90%), and yes it was easier because you got tons of good prize cars.
But you did not got them "for free" like in GT6 (at least not the "gold"(?) ones) >>The Only "free" car ive got in GT6 is the Merc Vision. GT5 rewarded nearly every race with a prize car -GT6 Does Not! ive only 'won' about 12 cars or so.

Also GT6 is much easier because you can win most races easily with a lot of different cars that are not really suited for the race, in GT5 a much better car selection was needed. >> yeh, totally agree there, far more thought went into car selection.

I don't have the GT6 anniv. Edition with the bonus cars.
I play GT6 like i described, always do gold in license tests >>done,
missions >>Done, except drift and cones, cant gold -bronze hard enuf
goodwood >>Done, except redbull,
online seasonal etc. as soon as they become available >>Done (not all gold), all but last lot (not had time) for money and prize cars,
use prize cars as much as possible >>When sutable for racing, Yes, otherwise tuning or car change
waste no money on tuning >>soz, you cant say that, a few of my cars Have Required tuning to be competitive, skip races that need a expensive car and do them later >> Yep, or if i dont have a car
test drive expensive cars before i buy them >> pray tell, where is the 'testdrive' section?.

I think i was already in IA when PD came up with the increased prize money and login bonus, so "lost" a lot of money on that. >>yeh well ive been stuck on 110%, 90% of the time.

Stats:
87%, 75/75 license, 534/573 stars, 71 cars, 447 races.
29mil Cr. , 46mil Cr. total earned, 1,9mil spent on tuning (so spent ~15mil on cars i guess)
16kkm, 98h >> wow, thats a lot of hours up. unfortunately i actually have a life outside Gaming
I have all cars/racecars needed to do all career races "in the right car" and without tuning.

I have not even done one of the red bull races although they are allegedly the easiest/quickest way to get money. >> see, ive wasted money on 3 cars to try the Like The Wind races because they are worth good money, so far i have won only one of them (barely) as ive not won any cars that are competative. the Merc Vision is the only one ive got thats close and its been tuned to maximum.

So i really don't get what you are complaining about, i don't know what you did with all the money. >>again, you seem to be under the impression that ive had millions and 'wasted' them. my posts clearly state that i have total earnings around $4million and that ive spent nearly all that, so far.
But its not the games fault that you ended up with little money and the wrong cars for IA/S. yes & no. if i had of cheated like many others i would have a full garge and buckets of money, but i dont cheat or glitch, if i did it would make me a hypocrit (did i spell that right?). if sony didnt want microtransactions we would most likely be winning far more cars.

In the time you needed to write your last 3 posts you could have earned the 2mil. for a LMP car, and once you have one of those money should really be no issue and you don't even have to grind as there are lots of races for LMP's. No, actually im at work during the day so i cant. what do you do during the day? ps; Any time you race for money and not to clear a race, thats called grinding, at whatever level!

I just earned ~2mil in 2h only by doing the Toyota, M4, X-Bow, NSX and Scirocco seasonals.
Money spent on cars was ZERO, all previous prize cars or "rentals"(?), only ~100k for tuning on NSX and Scirocco (race suspension and weight reduction). >> yeh the seasonals are worth a lot more than the actual races and dont really require tuning (same in GT5). pretty sure iv done the toyota, cant gold the M4, cant gold the first(andretti) race or the second(yellow(?) car), actually ive only golded about 3 of them and the latest ones not had time for yet.

So as long as you don't plan on buying those ridiculous 20mil cars (and they are not needed for any race >>yeh such a waste init?) i really see no problem in getting enough money >> of course you dont, you have heaps. reminds me of the rich person telling the not rich person to "just get a higher paying job" to get rich (coz its that easy -not!).

** ARGH!> open up the above ^

Actually you know what? i want you to check out my stats (i can fire up the PS in about 3-4hours when i get home tonight) look at them. i understand that youve been doing well, as many have and i respect that, but there are too many issues with this game to just say "i dont know what you did with all the money"

soz gotta go, work calls.

EDIT> forgot to ask you how much grinding you did After the LO bonus started, when you hit IA, to earn all that $46M, sorry i cant see how its achievable wthout the bonus, cosidering my total is around 10% of yours and ive done 60+%(?) of the game.

 

[stb155]

Not too much grinding.
Maybe 1h with the AMG @ SSX.
And that was not pure grinding, i always played around with suspension and gearbox to get better speed/time.
I also did it ~15 times with my LMP , but that was to collect km to test the body rigidity thing.
I did some of the races over 10times, but not for the money. To try them with different cars and to make setups.

I only spent ~15mil on cars, and that includes many i bought only for fun in the last 2 weeks.
(Veyron alone was 2 mil i think)

For the career there are only a few expensive cars needed.
1 Supercar (MP4-12C)
1 classic Supercar (512Bb/****ach)
1 458
1 Aventador
1 Nissan GTR Touring car
1 GT3 race car (Z4)
1 GT(1) race car (F1 Stealth)
1 LMP (V12 LMR)
1 classic race car (toyota 7)

I probably forgot 1 or 2, the rest i did with prize cars.
Also there are some on the list i only used for one race/series and bought later when i had the money.
(7 race car, GTR Touring, Aventador,458)
I don't remember all the prizes but i think the list is <5mil for the "important" cars.
(MP4-12C, Z4, F1 Stealth, V12 LMR)
So even without login bonus it would have been not really a problem.

Again, it think the key is not to waste money on tuning, tires (or even rigidity repairs) and too much cars in the lower classes , just do enough races to get the 50% prize cars, then get the race cars needed for IA/S asap because that's where the money is.
And always complete easy money things like licenses, missions, Goodwood, moon, seasonals and so on asap.
This was the same in every GT i remember.

 

[LaughingJack]

Not too much grinding.
Maybe 1h with the AMG @ SSX.
And that was not pure grinding, i always played around with suspension and gearbox to get better speed/time.
I also did it ~15 times with my LMP , but that was to collect km to test the body rigidity thing.
I did some of the races over 10times, but not for the money. To try them with different cars and to make setups.

I only spent ~15mil on cars, and that includes many i bought only for fun in the last 2 weeks.
(Veyron alone was 2 mil i think)

For the career there are only a few expensive cars needed.
1 Supercar (MP4-12C)
1 classic Supercar (512Bb/****ach)
1 458
1 Aventador
1 Nissan GTR Touring car
1 GT3 race car (Z4)
1 GT(1) race car (F1 Stealth)
1 LMP (V12 LMR)
1 classic race car (toyota 7)

I probably forgot 1 or 2, the rest i did with prize cars.
Also there are some on the list i only used for one race/series and bought later when i had the money.
(7 race car, GTR Touring, Aventador,458)
I don't remember all the prizes but i think the list is <5mil for the "important" cars.
(MP4-12C, Z4, F1 Stealth, V12 LMR)
So even without login bonus it would have been not really a problem.

Again, it think the key is not to waste money on tuning, tires (or even rigidity repairs) and too much cars in the lower classes , just do enough races to get the 50% prize cars, then get the race cars needed for IA/S asap because that's where the money is.
And always complete easy money things like licenses, missions, Goodwood, moon, seasonals and so on asap.
This was the same in every GT i remember.

Only $15M on cars...

9 cars does not equal "only a few" and theres prolly near $10m in that list... later buys = fair enuf...

well i cranked up the PS last night and realised i was wrong about my total earnings, i actually have $6M+ total earnings at 60+% completed, $3M on tuning. i was following my usual pattern from GT5 with tuning spends so i may have spent a little too frivolent in places but vast majority was spent to get cars competative...

i wish i could have afforded, at any point, a toyota7, then i could finish the game...

doing any race more than 2-3 times IS Grinding, regardless of the reason for re-racing...

THE ONLY fast car i have, 'part from the MercVision (and a GT300 car (not fast enuf)), is the zonda -couldnt afford the good one (like my mate) so i got the lower model to race the LikeTheWind events, its only capable of doing the first event, so i need yet another fast car (i cant afford) to finish anything!...

there are still Same Make races i cant do yet for lack of cars...

completing easy money events comes naturally...

"" then get the race cars needed for IA/S asap because that's where the money is. "". thats admitting that there is little money to be had before getting to IA/S, is that what you meant?


dont get me wrong, i do appreciate your input

but by start of Janurary - for me at the end of the day the facts are: regardless of what ive 'wasted' on tuning; i am 60+% finished, have golded everything upto begining of IA (except the drift, cone and couple SameMake and the redbull goodwood), have golded a couple things within IA, golded a couple seasonals (others lucky to get bronze), yet those are my stats.
i could restart the whole game again and not spend a cent on unnessicary tuning or cars and would still be fanging for cash. ive had the ****** 110% (non)bonus when others are getting 200%, not 1 race ive done yet has earned me $1M yet others are doing it all the time.

i have played within the spirit of the game, ie; i have played through in order (mostly) in a Career type way, building my way up through the ranks just like i have in GT2,3,4. after all thats the what the game is. i guess im just bitterly disappointed that the game has come to a screaming halt after so much enjoyment, im really not motivated to grind anymore at this point

 

[LaughingJack]

actually you have motivated me now that i proof read my post. i wll knockoff early today and have another look at what i can do to get some cash that does not require mind numbing grinding.


-'ing raining anyway...

 

[1241Penguin]

Is GT6 too easy?

Yes, yes it is. Terrible AI, somehow worse than GT5s. SRF forced on. Please PD, if you're going to market your game "The Real Driving Simulator," at least first take a look at PC sims like iRacing or Assetto Corsa, because then you'll realize that GT6 is hardly the driving simulator. Either stop trying to appeal to casuals, or stop calling GT6 a driving simulator.

 

[Verbal]

Only $15M on cars...

9 cars does not equal "only a few" and theres prolly near $10m in that list... later buys = fair enuf...

well i cranked up the PS last night and realised i was wrong about my total earnings, i actually have $6M+ total earnings at 60+% completed, $3M on tuning. i was following my usual pattern from GT5 with tuning spends so i may have spent a little too frivolent in places but vast majority was spent to get cars competative...

i wish i could have afforded, at any point, a toyota7, then i could finish the game...

doing any race more than 2-3 times IS Grinding, regardless of the reason for re-racing...

THE ONLY fast car i have, 'part from the MercVision (and a GT300 car (not fast enuf)), is the zonda -couldnt afford the good one (like my mate) so i got the lower model to race the LikeTheWind events, its only capable of doing the first event, so i need yet another fast car (i cant afford) to finish anything!...

People have completed career mode spending 1 Million.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6-cheapest-way-around-cookbook-updated-24-01.297697/

 

[gtracedriver1]

No. It is good. Sure the early part it is not much challenge. Winning is easy. But it get little tricky later on.

PD said most people who played GT5 are casuals. People do not do 200miles or 4hrs races. 24mins may be is too short but they reviewed GT5 and found that people think it is tedious and therefore din't play much. I guess most only did arcade. GT6 career mode is great IMHO. It is easy but you can make it harder by yourself based on your skill by challenging with different cars, tires. I will redo the races again with 10 different odds cars and try various permutation, combinations. It is meant so that anyone who plays it can feel good about this game. Many people stop playing if they do not win or have fun. Collecting hundreds of cars. It is good there is no 1000 cars trophy like GT5 or silly spec B to level 40 or something.

Time trails, license test are also good now. Not ridiculous. Although S license gold looks like a uphill task for me. That is the only thing preventing me for the platinum trophy. I think most people will enjoy and complete the career mode and play this game more than GT5.

 

[FormulaKimball]

Is GT6 too easy?

Yes, yes it is. Terrible AI, somehow worse than GT5s. SRF forced on. Please PD, if you're going to market your game "The Real Driving Simulator," at least first take a look at PC sims like iRacing or Assetto Corsa, because then you'll realize that GT6 is hardly the driving simulator. Either stop trying to appeal to casuals, or stop calling GT6 a driving simulator.

Amen. I'll try not to get started about SRF forced on in so many events and all the license tests, or we'll be here all night... My biggest gripe though besides the same dim-witted AI problems as GT5, is how much less there is to do in career mode. 24 *minutes* of Le Mans?

What would be cool for me - why can't each of the events simply have a slider for race length in laps. The minimum would be some default number of laps they each have already, but you could increase it up to double (or triple) the length, all other elements being equal. Maybe it could automatically increase the credits accordingly. Maybe this could be a feature that unlocks once you win the race the first time. Of course the top tier Le Mans and Nurburgring 24 and Spa events would have the slider go to 24 hours with the correct time progression and weather variance

Alas I think it'll be us who eventually look at the PC sims

 

[NCRthree]

Yes absolutely in the "career" races.

No difficulty settings this far into GT's life is sad. It's just plain lame to not have that option. The later stage races have faster AI generally but I what if I want a competitive race with say low powered FF's. Sorry but here's your 2-3 lapper with Sunday drivers. Try Arcade then, oops only a 10 car field and no tire wear/damage/fuel consumption. Oh well, don't drive too fast or the "race" will last 1 lap. Even at "professional" level the AI is too slow.

C'mon PD enough of the same old same old career lameness. At least give Arcade as many options as GT5's. Looks like its gonna be online or TT's again.

Even so I love the feel of GT6's physics and am greatly enjoying driving different cars. However I was really hoping for a step up in offline race quality not a step down.

 

[psball]

In some ways it's a little easier than GT5. I think that it's just right. It's still challenging, but not impossible. It probably hits good for the majority of players. They should make a GT Academy or something like it for experts only. After all, it is a "game."

 

[I-Runner]

GT5 is more easier than GT6 for only one reason you can use the tyres you want in many races , FOR example the NASCAR races in GT6 you only Race with RH in GT5 the tyres you want. And the licences (GT5) were only figurative.
I've never seen PP limitations in the career mode of GT5.

GT5 seemed more difficult DUE to the absurd system of levels and for the endurance races.. (imho)

IR

 

[LaughingJack]

People have completed career mode spending 1 Million.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6-cheapest-way-around-cookbook-updated-24-01.297697/

fair enough too (looks interesting btw).

but my point is: i have only earned $6m at 60% completion by winning the races (playing my career) in order, as per the spirit of the game.
most others here have done a lot of grinding (re-racing) to earn money. the lack of b-spec dont help either -that was great for earning in GT5.

 

[GTP_Rotary]

Guys... play online please!
There's the difficulty: other users !!!!!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Guys... play online please!
There's the difficulty: other users !!!!!

We are talking about the game itself here, not online play. You are only stating the obvious as online play in any game is naturally going to be more of a challenge because you are dealing with the human element. So, your claim of "Guys... play online please" has no validity in this discussion of Is GT6 too easy?

 

[GTP_Rotary]

sorry mate, just bought the game and yes offline is easy... as in 5 and 4
I can't add more to my pov since I've only played for 30 minutes...

If the events are too easy, I can fix my car to make it harder !!!

 

[Outeke]

Yes. Definately!

To easy, to short.

 

[mr_lab_rat]

It feel just right for me. I'm very average driver (ABS 1, all other aids off).
I'm not sure how I feel about the AI waiting for you if you spin out and then speeding up after you pass them. On one hand it's pretty lame, on the other hand it makes for pretty exciting finishes.

 

[mikeymc92]

Guys... play online please!
There's the difficulty: other users !!!!!

Its amazing how bad these people are. Its not even dirty driving, it is just bad. And the payouts are a joke online. Just another reason why my GT6 is in the box and my GT5 is in my console

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Oh goodness, of course yes.

 

[GTP_Rotary]

Its amazing how bad these people are. Its not even dirty driving, it is just bad. And the payouts are a joke online. Just another reason why my GT6 is in the box and my GT5 is in my console

I totally understand that... You're most likely aware that GTP events and the clubs & leagues section can help you find clean racers... althought these events are scheduled, so in the meantime you should go drift with your ds3! lol

 

[Sander 001]

Is GT6 too easy? No, I think it's a very challenging game; it's not a test of skill but a trial of attrition.

 

[BMWcrazy]

I'm not a good driver.

So the difficulty is just about right for me.

 

[lazywolfe]

.

 

[Bakemono36]

IMO, the game is too easy for the hardcore gamer but just about right for most people. If the game is too easy for you, turn off all of the driving aids and use a slow car.

 

[mikeymc92]

IMO, the game is too easy for the hardcore gamer but just about right for most people. If the game is too easy for you, turn off all of the driving aids and use a slow car.

Or go back to GT5 and play some of the seasonal races. Many of those can be a challenge

 

[Snapey]

I was really disappointed with the difficulty of the Vettel X challenge(Especially the final three time trails with the man himself)

Don't get me wrong, trying to gold that event on GT5 took me countless hours with the DS3 and in the end I gave up trying to beat Suzuka. But with the GT6 iteration, I got gold in all the events first or second try with a DS3 (I was kind of looking forward to hours of practising!)

The game certainly is easier than its predecessor, however maybe part of that is because I've played GT since playing on a PS2. Maybe a good thing to implement would be to have a difficulty option for when you first start the game (like a time trial and depending on the time attained, you get placed in a difficulty bracket).

But until such options exist, the best way to play GT6 is online.