Is GT6 too easy?

[Imari]

I've only said a number of times: it's the cars, the cars.

A range of cars of all kinds of performance, handling, drivetrains, performance bands, upgrade options, race cars of all kinds of performance ranges... cars. Lots of cars, so you can pick and choose your performance poison.

You've said nothing at all about it being specifically the cars that make it harder. Quote me where you said that.

Having more cars doesn't make the game harder. It gives you more cars to drive. If I have a game with one car and I add another one, does the game become harder? Hardly.

No, I think most of the GT4 Missions were annoying to dreadful, from what I remember, and are more like torture tests. Do you think License Tests are good racing?

I never said the licenses were good racing. Stop deflecting.

Mission 34, which you should look up because it's a very specific scenario, is the epitome of the type of racing you get by handicapping yourself.

I suggest that you need to actually think about your answer. You're saying that the missions were dreadful, but your description of what is acceptable racing suggests that particular mission would be to your tastes. It'd be real swell if you could actually clarify your position on what you define as racing.

Fine, but don't blame me if your examples come from one sector of gaming and you don't clarify. And don't give me grief about it if I'm not impressed by your examples. You find challenge in them - sometimes. I find obstacles that are impediments to a first place finish like just about all racing games with few exceptions. And most of those bots are in Forza and Gran Turismo, one set a little saner than the other.

You asked a question and I answered. Don't get pissy because my answer doesn't suit you, and don't try to twist my answer into something it's not.

 

[synon]

Er, correct me if I'm wrong but you can see the PP of your opponents...

The only way to know is to have the source code of the game.
Having equal machinery makes sense playing online against other people, but what is the point comparing your skill against an AI which has an arbitrary skill level?

 

[Imari]

...but what is the point comparing your skill against an AI which has an arbitrary skill level?

What is the point of comparing your skill against people online with an arbitrary skill level?

Why is having unequal machinery on the AI better?

 

[GTLeigh]

Wow, this argument is still rolling on...

I enjoy this game, play it everyday and I can find challenging races by picking a lower spec car as I've said in earlier posts.

Now I don't buy this 'its a simulator' thing, to me it's just a game which I enjoy playing. Sometimes not even racing but just the fun of driving a car round Brands Hatch (I use this as my test track for all my cars) or just taking a car for a drive around the Nurburgring. Simply for the joy of driving.

Even though I don't buy into the simulator thing if you read the box it states 'The Real Driving Simulator' not the real racing simulator. That makes a big difference just that one little word. It's a game that simulates driving. The AI may not be perfect but the game doesn't ever pretend to offer realistic racing, just realistic driving.

Just a question though and please take this in good nature and don't shoot me down, but how realistic do you want it. I've never raced in real life but I imagine that its very, very difficult and that out of the thousands that try only a small few would have the skill to actually win a race. Good in reality but bad for what is essentially a game.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Wow, this argument is still rolling on...

They always do .


It's not as hard as 5 (no 24hr racing, less requirements for patinum trophy etc), online racing is where the difficulty lies.

If you find it easy, go online. If you find it hard, keep plugging away 👍.

 

[mr_serious]

Wow, this argument is still rolling on...

I enjoy this game, play it everyday and I can find challenging races by picking a lower spec car as I've said in earlier posts.

Now I don't buy this 'its a simulator' thing, to me it's just a game which I enjoy playing. Sometimes not even racing but just the fun of driving a car round Brands Hatch (I use this as my test track for all my cars) or just taking a car for a drive around the Nurburgring. Simply for the joy of driving.

Even though I don't buy into the simulator thing if you read the box it states 'The Real Driving Simulator' not the real racing simulator. That makes a big difference just that one little word. It's a game that simulates driving. The AI may not be perfect but the game doesn't ever pretend to offer realistic racing, just realistic driving.

Just a question though and please take this in good nature and don't shoot me down, but how realistic do you want it. I've never raced in real life but I imagine that its very, very difficult and that out of the thousands that try only a small few would have the skill to actually win a race. Good in reality but bad for what is essentially a game.

Now read the back of the box.

I believe you will find the following words, 'racing' and 'race'.

 

[GTLeigh]

The back of the box does indeed state that you can race, in the game you can race. It doesn't however state racing simulator or state that it provides realistic racing which was the point in my earlier post.

Still no need to shout Mr Shouty Mr Serious

 

[SciroccoRich]

Wow, this argument is still rolling on...

I enjoy this game, play it everyday and I can find challenging races by picking a lower spec car as I've said in earlier posts.

Now I don't buy this 'its a simulator' thing, to me it's just a game which I enjoy playing. Sometimes not even racing but just the fun of driving a car round Brands Hatch (I use this as my test track for all my cars) or just taking a car for a drive around the Nurburgring. Simply for the joy of driving.

Even though I don't buy into the simulator thing if you read the box it states 'The Real Driving Simulator' not the real racing simulator. That makes a big difference just that one little word. It's a game that simulates driving. The AI may not be perfect but the game doesn't ever pretend to offer realistic racing, just realistic driving.

Just a question though and please take this in good nature and don't shoot me down, but how realistic do you want it. I've never raced in real life but I imagine that its very, very difficult and that out of the thousands that try only a small few would have the skill to actually win a race. Good in reality but bad for what is essentially a game.

I enjoy it too, it's a great game. Almost everything is great about it. Except for the AI. The choosing a lower spec car is not a valid argument. Yeah, it's a work around. But so is using candles if your lights go out. You shouldn't have to do it for ever.

Unfortunately though, it IS a simulator and it is a racing simulator. The prime aspect of racing is driving is it not? You couldn't race without driving and, considering 90% odd, is dedicated to racing, you'd like to think that PD, who have made almost everything else in the game so excellent, could make what is probably the easiest bit to programme, a little bit more realistic. We're not asking for too much, except that there's at least a little competition from the computer.

I understand what you're saying in this third paragraph, but to start at the back of the grid, in a much lower spec car than your competitors, to then come back and win by around 10 seconds over a 2-5 lap race is ridiculous. Just try this, go on a race - even arcade mode if you want - stick the racing line on. Watch the computer. It follows that one line rigidly. It brakes when the line brakes and accelerates when the line accelerates. There's no variation either, no matter what car, you could go in the Honda FiT or a Ferrari FXX and the cars will brake and accelerate at exactly the same times as each other. Now if you do the same track with the line on, go as fast as you can. You'll notice immediately that the brake lines are set 20 odd meters too short and in some cases shouldn't even be there at all. Therefor the computer is braking too early and accelerating too late on pretty much EVERY corner. That shouldn't happen. I'd just like a little more competition. I shouldn't have to cripple myself, cars of the same class generally have drivers of the same class too, so it should be a lot closer than it is.

If you find it easy, go online. If you find it hard, keep plugging away 👍.

What if I don't have an internet connection? How can I enjoy the £60 that I spent? "The game" is offline mode. Online mode is an added extra. It's not something that you should have to utilise in order to find the game less ridiculous.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

What if I don't have an internet connection? How can I enjoy the £60 that I spent? "The game" is offline mode. Online mode is an added extra. It's not something that you should have to utilise in order to find the game less ridiculous.

In a case such as this, I don't have an answer.

The world we live in today is quite internet orientated. Product makers expect everyone to have a connection and don't cater for those who don't.

I agree though, it shouldn't be this way.

 

[SciroccoRich]

In a case such as this, I don't have an answer.

The world we live in today is quite internet orientated. Product makers expect everyone to have a connection and don't cater for those who don't.

I agree though, it shouldn't be this way.

Cheers for the honestly and whilst I agree the world in which we live is very internet orientated, there's still a huge amount of people that don't have access to it. For instance in the UK alone, around 7 million people (Roughly the same population as London) don't have internet access. In the USA, 6% of people don't. These figures are also larger than they should be in terms of PS3 players with access as they also include mobile phone connections etc. Considering the amount of time and effort that PD went through to create all of these different trophies and offline comps, I'd still say they'd expect the game to be played offline first and foremost.

 

[stb155]

I like the new online challenges (Integrale, S2000) with allowed tuning.

I never was a big fan of tuning (just bought a better car instead GT has so much) or setup (i'am not good at it, so i buy cars with handling i like) but i like the idea of "being forced" to play around with the setup a bit to get a gold time out of the car.

Problem is that the gold times are so easy that i can do them with the car straight from the dealer* at the first attempt.
This kind of destroys it again.

Ok, i restartet 5times to test how to do the uphill chicanes, and once crashed in tunnel but first in finish was gold
Yeah i could go for online rank but i already know that i will end up somewhere around place 10.000


*the one with the S2000, on the other one i decided after the 1st corner that i will not strain my patience with that understeer and went straight to the part shop...

 

[LaughingJack]

ive found it much easier than GT5 ... up until now. i have hit the IA section and have no cars that are capable of placing let alone gold. the reasons for this follow:

1. the races in all the sections up until IA, excepting a few (and these were mainly challenges, not regular races), are too easy, i was clearing races on the first attempt (unless i had to bunt out to tune) for practically every race. i cleared the first section and half the second section with the honda fit that i purchased at the start of the game!! (baring a couple races i could not use it in). my second car (ht delta) did most of the second section and most of the third, and ive used it in the fourth and fifth as well. in total ive only used about 4 cars regularly for the entire game so far. the merc gift from the start of the game has done many races also.
Result > the difficulty curve has suddenly spiked where it should not have and i have no vast stable of cars to choose from and am forced to grind for cash to buy cars that might end up a complete waste of money, which has happeneed now 3 times!

2. the licencing is far too easy. i think only 2 or 3 tests out of the licences so far have actually pushed me to drive properly and think. most of the time it is a matter of foot flat to the floor and controlled sliding/drifting to obtain the gold. GT5 tests were a lot harder, i used to be happy golding only the first and maybe second licences, the rest i was happy too get bronze and had no chance at gold (and they were too hard, but GT6 has gone the other way).
Result > GT6 does not teach you how to drive properly. GT5 taught weight shifting, controlled sliding (not drifting), how to brake correctly, etc. **not that this point (2) really applies to me as ive played all but the first version of the game, but i think it would affect how some younger/new players drive (and ultimately complete the game, if they do...)

3. not enough money! even though sony said it was not the case, it seems that micro-transacted credtis Are actually needed to finish the game (unless you purchased the 15th aniv. edition (i know this coz my mate has that version and he is waaayy ahead of me and has many cars that are competitive)).
Result > i simply dont have the funds for the IA (let alone S) section, i have < $200k in the bank, thats all, and im looking down the barrel of races that are worth good money (relatively) but cant enter for lack of cars.
** thanks sony for the broken Daily Bonus - still on 110% :@

4. lack of sharing cars between freinds. in GT5 we swapped numerous cars between mates so that if somebody had a great car for doing a particular race/series, we could borrow it - and return the favour at another time.
Result > there are races my mate sais "yeh did it easy in the [insert name] car", which of cousre i dont have and cannot afford!
** an interesting aside to this is; i had trouble with a race so i rang him up. he and i set up the same car to the same specs and, on speakerphone, started the same race (cote d'zur), both comentating ourselves, i listened as he was clearly getting far more acceleration and power on his PS than i was on my PS, he was getting into 4th by the 3rd lap whilst i was strugling to catch 6th at the same point. this was repeatable when we decided to try the same thing on the apricot hill race in the same series. he beat me to the first corner (and passed 2 cars) consistantly, and this is straight-line driving from the start, he was consistantly 20+ seconds faster than me over the 4 laps, he could win by a smallish margin whilst i was stuck trying to catch and pass 11th!! (front runners for those races were, variously, toyota7's, 2D's and 2J's (sometimes all at once!!!), cars worth shiploads and far more competitive than i could hope to be - again back to the lack of money thing. we have not yet raced this situation together online to see if there is a marked diference PvP.

so at the end of the day i cannot hope to finish the game because prize money is pitiful and cars as prizes/gifts are .... well, non-existant. shame really as i was enjoying the racing - even if it was a bit easy

 

[andy0a]

What is the point of comparing your skill against people online with an arbitrary skill level?

Why is having unequal machinery on the AI better?

Dang, some Socrates moves on here, answering a question with a question. Why?

 

[stb155]

ive found it much easier than GT5 ... up until now. i have hit the IA section and have no cars that are capable of placing let alone gold. the reasons for this follow:

1. the races in all the sections up until IA, excepting a few (and these were mainly challenges, not regular races), are too easy, i was clearing races on the first attempt (unless i had to bunt out to tune) for practically every race. i cleared the first section and half the second section with the honda fit that i purchased at the start of the game!! (baring a couple races i could not use it in). my second car (ht delta) did most of the second section and most of the third, and ive used it in the fourth and fifth as well. in total ive only used about 4 cars regularly for the entire game so far. the merc gift from the start of the game has done many races also.
Result > the difficulty curve has suddenly spiked where it should not have and i have no vast stable of cars to choose from and am forced to grind for cash to buy cars that might end up a complete waste of money, which has happeneed now 3 times!

2. the licencing is far too easy. i think only 2 or 3 tests out of the licences so far have actually pushed me to drive properly and think. most of the time it is a matter of foot flat to the floor and controlled sliding/drifting to obtain the gold. GT5 tests were a lot harder, i used to be happy golding only the first and maybe second licences, the rest i was happy too get bronze and had no chance at gold (and they were too hard, but GT6 has gone the other way).
Result > GT6 does not teach you how to drive properly. GT5 taught weight shifting, controlled sliding (not drifting), how to brake correctly, etc. **not that this point (2) really applies to me as ive played all but the first version of the game, but i think it would affect how some younger/new players drive (and ultimately complete the game, if they do...)

3. not enough money! even though sony said it was not the case, it seems that micro-transacted credtis Are actually needed to finish the game (unless you purchased the 15th aniv. edition (i know this coz my mate has that version and he is waaayy ahead of me and has many cars that are competitive)).
Result > i simply dont have the funds for the IA (let alone S) section, i have < $200k in the bank, thats all, and im looking down the barrel of races that are worth good money (relatively) but cant enter for lack of cars.
** thanks sony for the broken Daily Bonus - still on 110% :@

4. lack of sharing cars between freinds. in GT5 we swapped numerous cars between mates so that if somebody had a great car for doing a particular race/series, we could borrow it - and return the favour at another time.
Result > there are races my mate sais "yeh did it easy in the [insert name] car", which of cousre i dont have and cannot afford!
** an interesting aside to this is; i had trouble with a race so i rang him up. he and i set up the same car to the same specs and, on speakerphone, started the same race (cote d'zur), both comentating ourselves, i listened as he was clearly getting far more acceleration and power on his PS than i was on my PS, he was getting into 4th by the 3rd lap whilst i was strugling to catch 6th at the same point. this was repeatable when we decided to try the same thing on the apricot hill race in the same series. he beat me to the first corner (and passed 2 cars) consistantly, and this is straight-line driving from the start, he was consistantly 20+ seconds faster than me over the 4 laps, he could win by a smallish margin whilst i was stuck trying to catch and pass 11th!! (front runners for those races were, variously, toyota7's, 2D's and 2J's (sometimes all at once!!!), cars worth shiploads and far more competitive than i could hope to be - again back to the lack of money thing. we have not yet raced this situation together online to see if there is a marked diference PvP.

so at the end of the day i cannot hope to finish the game because prize money is pitiful and cars as prizes/gifts are .... well, non-existant. shame really as i was enjoying the racing - even if it was a bit easy

What have you done with all the money from license tests, Goodwood, moon, Missions and Online Challanges ?!?
There are millions to take from them...

If you do a few of them and buy one GT3 car, one LMP car and one Supercar (MP4-12C or similar) you can complete most races in IB, IA and S. With the monet you get in those races it should be no problem to buy cars for the rest of the races (classic sportcar, manufacturer races and so on).

 

[SciroccoRich]

so at the end of the day i cannot hope to finish the game because prize money is pitiful and cars as prizes/gifts are .... well, non-existant. shame really as i was enjoying the racing - even if it was a bit easy

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/money-earned.296359/

Read my post in that. It's not hard to get money at all. If you've followed a similar process to me, in terms of how many cars you've bought - which it sounds like, you should have around Cr.4 Million. in the bank. By the way, I've got the non-anniversary edition too.

 

[Imari]

Dang, some Socrates moves on here, answering a question with a question. Why?

Why not? How long do you think we can keep this string of questions going?

 

[Wedge598]

Well, to be honest, I think the majority of the hardcore GT fans will find GT6 to be the easiest GT to date. I've never finished or have seen so many 100% or rather 101% so fast compared to last generation of Gran Turismo. Races have become shorter, racing series no longer expands to 10 races, license gold times have become much easier, and mission races are no where as hard as GT4. Add to the fact that the A.I. mysteriously slows down on the last lap in some races, giving you a chance to win if you've spun out 2 or 3 times.

Also, NEVER should a stock Evo III be able to beat a Nissan GTR being the lead car.

I totally agree. In fact the AI slowing down is really starting to annoy me now. I beat the AI in a race yesterday while driving a lotus Elise against an AI Pagani Zonda C12 after I wrecked on the first lap. No way the Lotus should ever beat a Zonda especially after wrecking. This has now happened numerous times to me. I also came back to win a LeMans race after wrecking and putting myself way in the back. In a race on Brands Hatch I ran the first 4 laps at even pace with the lead cars and was 12+ seconds behind each lap until the last lap when I caught and passed the lead car halfway through the final lap. In that one lap I gained a total of 15 seconds on the lead car who I was unable to catch for the first 4 laps. That is absurd!!

 

[SciroccoRich]

Why not? How long do you think we can keep this string of questions going?

I don't think there'll be many more.... I hope you don't mind?

 

[Imari]

I don't think there'll be many more.... I hope you don't mind?

Why would I?

 

[SciroccoRich]

Why would I?

It was just a precautionary thing, why do you ask?

 

[LaughingJack]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/money-earned.296359/

Read my post in that. It's not hard to get money at all. If you've followed a similar process to me, in terms of how many cars you've bought - which it sounds like, you should have around Cr.4 Million. in the bank. By the way, I've got the non-anniversary edition too.

yeh, SciroccoRich, you have done nearly exactly the same as me except that ive used the honda fit instead of your clio . i am surprised that you used that old red piece of junk for anything but the challenge though, even supercharged its crap (imo).
as for the prize money - golding everything bar the cone and drift challenges, up until now (IA), i have netted less than $3mil total earnings (or thereabout) and whittled it down over time to the current level. this may be partly due to the logon bonus not working for me - still 110% ... :@

@stb155. as per my reply above. on my playstation there is hardly millions to be had, most of my winnings have gone into cars (some were duds that were sold again) but the majority has gone towards tuning.

EDIT> seems the only good money (below IA) is in the seasonal events - which are not coming up very often

 

[SciroccoRich]

yeh, SciroccoRich, you have done nearly exactly the same as me except that ive used the honda fit instead of your clio . i am surprised that you used that old red piece of junk for anything but the challenge though, even supercharged its crap (imo).
as for the prize money - golding everything bar the cone and drift challenges, up until now (IA), i have netted less than $3mil total earnings (or thereabout) and whittled it down over time to the current level. this may be partly due to the logon bonus not working for me - still 110% ... :@

Yeah I thought with your seasonal bonus being lower for some reason it could be something like that. But still, you should have a load more money than you do. I hate that Mark Andrettis car too, it's SO heavy. But the same can be said for the vast majority of crap American cars in the game. Except for say the Shelby Cobra and GT40 show anything "old school" something that resembles corner and it'll $hit it's pants and jump on to the grass. I include all standard Mustangs, Camaro's, Chargers et al in that sentence. Even the new ones. Useless.

 

[LaughingJack]

Yeah I thought with your seasonal bonus being lower for some reason it could be something like that. But still, you should have a load more money than you do. I hate that Mark Andrettis car too, it's SO heavy. But the same can be said for the vast majority of crap American cars in the game. Except for say the Shelby Cobra and GT40 show anything "old school" something that resembles corner and it'll $hit it's pants and jump on to the grass. I include all standard Mustangs, Camaro's, Chargers et al in that sentence. Even the new ones. Useless.

LOLz!. aggrement. yank tanks are crap in any form - very difficult to get them to stay on the track. i got the A/C cars cobra (427) and it goes like stink, but slides like a biatch too, it wants to go soo fast but cant stick to the road enough.

 

[stb155]

@stb155. as per my reply above. on my playstation there is hardly millions to be had, most of my winnings have gone into cars (some were duds that were sold again) but the majority has gone towards tuning.

EDIT> seems the only good money (below IA) is in the seasonal events - which are not coming up very often

You made it difficult for yourself...

Number 1 rule in GT always was not to waste money with tuning in the beginning.
A Gearbox in a muscle-car or a race suspension in an 4wd/FF that won't turn is Ok, but mayor power/weight tuning is a waste of money. Just get a better car instead.

Reselling is also huge waste of money.

Never buy a car you are not sure about without making a copy of the safegame before...
(Would you spent your real hard earned money on a car without test drive ?)

Easy money is in "like the wind" or the red bull races.
Don't know how difficult the RB races are, but the like the winds are a no brainer with a stock LMP with a few setup changes.
A LMP is ~2mil. i think, should be no problem to get them from all the tests/missions/etc.
Worst case a big turbo and gearbox for the AMG Vision and some grinding at SSX.

 

[redrick]

...

An even better way would be to allow players to make the game as hard as they like would be to have an event creator.

Actually this would be very easy for PD to do, and without creating an strain on PS3's processing and memory speed limitations, which I've been given to understand GT6 stretches to the limit.

It would basically be just like setting up a "room" in on-line racing, only PD would be slotting in the appropriate cars and AI drivers to race against.

Of course, it would be great if you could also adjust the skill level of those AI drivers but that may be beyond what PD can or is willing to do.

Rick

 

[SciroccoRich]

Don't know how difficult the RB races are...

They're not hard per se, but they are annoying. The last two races in the carting, you are miles faster than the opposition all the way through, but the tracks are so narrow and the corners are so tight that it makes it a real struggle to get from 12th to 1st in the time limit. Man are they frustrating. Also, because you're doing it as a Championship, you HAVE to complete them all first place otherwise you won't gold them all. If you quit and restart - you have to go through the whole process again!

 

[dc1]

Yeah I thought with your seasonal bonus being lower for some reason it could be something like that. But still, you should have a load more money than you do. I hate that Mark Andrettis car too, it's SO heavy. But the same can be said for the vast majority of crap American cars in the game. Except for say the Shelby Cobra and GT40 show anything "old school" something that resembles corner and it'll $hit it's pants and jump on to the grass. I include all standard Mustangs, Camaro's, Chargers et al in that sentence. Even the new ones. Useless.

Funny, those are my all time favorites. Heavy metal, old school muscle. I will own all of them before I hit 50% completion, and use them in as many races as possible. Just a few small adjustments and they are excellent to drive!

 

[SciroccoRich]

Funny, those are my all time favorites. Heavy metal, old school muscle. I will own all of them before I hit 50% completion, and use them in as many races as possible. Just a few small adjustments and they are excellent to drive!

You're a braver man than me. I really enjoy looking at them, they're cool. But to drive. No thanks. May as well take the Arc Royal around the Nurburgring.

 

[redrick]

They're not hard per se, but they are annoying. The last two races in the carting, you are miles faster than the opposition all the way through, but the tracks are so narrow and the corners are so tight that it makes it a real struggle to get from 12th to 1st in the time limit. Man are they frustrating. Also, because you're doing it as a Championship, you HAVE to complete them all first place otherwise you won't gold them all. If you quit and restart - you have to go through the whole process again!

I think if you gold most of them, or at least do better than any other driver, you still win the championship. Then you can go back to the races you didn't gold individually, get them, and wind up with all the stars.

 

[SciroccoRich]

I think if you gold most of them, or at least do better than any other driver, you still win the championship. Then you can go back to the races you didn't gold individually, get them, and wind up with all the stars.

Did not know that cheers! I've been having to restart the whole thing every time! haha.