Is it just me...

[Vol Jbolaz]

I don't like tunes that start with "buy every part". Really? Does every single part really help the car? Is that last little 7 horse power on a car that already has 600 going to improve your lap times? More importantly, is it really going to make the car more fun to drive?

Is it just me?

There is a Request and Tunes prefix. At times, I wish there was Request, Tunes, and m04R tUn3s!!!1!.

 

[dub_love28]

I agree. Can't stand when people start "tune to the max." I prefer "tasteful" tuning haha. Light engine modifications and good handling is where its at!

 

[No_OBsT33R]

I don't like tunes that start with "buy every part". Really? Does every single part really help the car? Is that last little 7 horse power on a car that already has 600 going to improve your lap times? More importantly, is it really going to make the car more fun to drive?

Is it just me?

There is a Request and Tunes prefix. At times, I wish there was Request, Tunes, and m04R tUn3s!!!1!.

Depends on what your doing with the car. There are Garages in fact that don't max out everything and shoot for max on SS tires, or PP ratings.

Then there are those that go for max performance. Certain parts are required to tune, others to get max performance. If at max everything is too much for the chassis then down tune, but so far they can handle all the Max can throw at them, aside from a few.

In the end it all depends on you & what your going for. If you want a certain car Tuned to a specific PP rating, hp level, etc, then just include those details in the request & I'm sure they will tune it to that spec.

Request more & the number of cars tuned to specs other than max will grow... if people only request cars with max performance, that's what they will get.

 

[Stotty]

The main reason all the tunes are for maxed out cars is because that's what the majority seem to like to drive... maxed out road cars on the softest, grippiest tyres.

Not my choice unless all I want is a bit of fun with little challenge, but seems to keep the majority happy.

Also, it's much, much easier to tune a car on race softs than it would be on sports softs

 

[nomis3613]

I think there's a few reasons tuners do it :
- it's very rewarding to take a slow car and making it able to compete with faster cars (eg making an MR2 that can compete with a Lotus Elise)
- I assume that people want tunes which push a car to the limit, and I suspect a lot of other tuners work this way too. Often I have wondered about the sense of spending $30k to remove those last 20kg, but if you want to get the most out of a car, this is what you gotta do.
- it is often more of a challenge for a tuner to stuff a car full of horsepower and then tweak the chassis until it copes somehow, rather than applying mild upgrades
...but if The People start asking for milder tuners, then this can happen.

I totally agree with Stotty that bolting on Racing Soft tyres to a car that doesn't need it is lazy and often makes for a boring drive!

 

[racer39658]

Like No_OBsT33R said, there are some tuners that tune max, and some that don't. I use cars tuned both ways, and use them all depending on what I feel like racing. Variety is good, embrace it.

 

[praiano63]

I don't like tunes that start with "buy every part". Really? Does every single part really help the car? Is that last little 7 horse power on a car that already has 600 going to improve your lap times? More importantly, is it really going to make the car more fun to drive?

Is it just me?

There is a Request and Tunes prefix. At times, I wish there was Request, Tunes, and m04R tUn3s!!!1!.

I start my tunes with "fully tuned or "buy every parts..." because we are talking about fake easy money and a car tuned to the max with every kind of tyres and max power, can be adapted to every kind of races or PP using the power reduction setting and ballast option. This full option amplify the range of use of the same car. you can decrease not increase.
And yes also about + 7 horse power more, it represent more milesim of second , it's speed, and speed is fun. very fun.
Have a good day.

 

[sean10mm]

I find that a lot of cars stop being fun to drive if you max out their power. The chassis can't handle it gracefully and you spend all your time fighting crazy wheelspin instead of enjoying the drive.

That said, a tune made for a car assuming you have it up to, say, 600 HP often works great if you only took that car to 450, so I don't really see it as a problem. If they needed racing softs for their tune to work at 600 you should have big fun with sport tires at 450 too - unless the tune just stinks and the racing tires were a band-aid.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I think there's a few reasons tuners do it :
- it's very rewarding to take a slow car and making it able to compete with faster cars (eg making an MR2 that can compete with a Lotus Elise)
- I assume that people want tunes which push a car to the limit, and I suspect a lot of other tuners work this way too. Often I have wondered about the sense of spending $30k to remove those last 20kg, but if you want to get the most out of a car, this is what you gotta do.
- it is often more of a challenge for a tuner to stuff a car full of horsepower and then tweak the chassis until it copes somehow, rather than applying mild upgrades
...but if The People start asking for milder tuners, then this can happen.

- It's extremely rewarding to take a slow car and make it punch above its weight on all fronts. This does not mean you have to max the car out to do so.

- I'll gladly throw cost to the wind most of the time because it is rarely a larger concern than getting a car that performs as well as possible for its specs or is simply extremely fun.

- True to an extent... But only where the tires you've specified can't keep up with the added power you've gone for. An 800hp RWD car on race softs is generally easier to tune than a 350-400hp car on sports hards or less.

- We've been working on getting people to accept lower states of tune as the "norm" for quite some time... Yet many will only drive them long enough to get a maxed out race tired car. Pretty much every release I've done has been on sports tires or has been a purpose built race car. Or the Enzo because 922hp + bad brakes + strangely poor handling = pretty much useless on sports tires.

I totally agree with Stotty that bolting on Racing Soft tyres to a car that doesn't need it is lazy and often makes for a boring drive!

+1. I like my cars right on the limit of what the tires can do, not much beyond it but not much below it either.

 

[Basilea]

I totally agree with Stotty that bolting on Racing Soft tyres to a car that doesn't need it is lazy and often makes for a boring drive!

Still there are cars that I think they need the Racing Softs. At least they need racing tyres!

I try to tune my cars on sport softs first and if I see that I struggle very much I change to racing tyres and in this case most of the time directly to racing softs.

My 3 tuned cars for example, I had no problem tuning the Mugen Motul Civic and the GT-R SpecV on sport softs, but the VW W12 Nardo was a lot more difficult. I'd say it is possible but it takes a lot longer! Lot's of cars almost don't need any tuning after you put on racing softs!

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm not aware of any car that needs no tuning once you put racing softs on. Every car has limits and capabilities and it's no different on racing softs or any other tire, just higher limits with a bigger margin of error but not an unlimited margin of error. In tuning cars with racing softs, it's not that difficult to turn it into an understeering tank, or an oversteering, tail happy little beast.

I've raced online quite a bit, mostly with racing softs and rarely do I see more than 2 or 3 guys fighting it out for the lead. In short sprints there is often 20-30 seconds between the top 8 racers, and if racing softs were "easy" to drive and you could "do anything and still be fast" then every online race would be a freight train from first to last and it's not. I agree it's easier to be faster than on sports tires, but the comparison is not to lower grade tires but to other drivers on racing softs, and within that group, there are huge differences in skill and ability.

 

[Basilea]

Well you are right, but online there is a lot about skills! I wouldn't win with the best tune against pro drivers with a default tuned car...

 

[No_OBsT33R]

The more grip you have, the more pronounced the effects of adjustments will be. S Tires are the ones that mask tuning flaws, there is just not enough grip.

The More grip you have the more sensitive the car is to adjustments, the more pronounced the effects are. So the difference between a well tuned suspension & a poorly tuned one is more pronounced on R compound tires. With R compounds you can make the car handle incredibly worse with bad tuning then you can with S tires.

If your suspension is dialed in on R tired it should work fine on S compounds, providing they can handle the power. I agree with RJ, S tires only go so far before overwhelmed by increased power.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

I'm glad there are a few people that agree with me. I guess I'll start some threads asking for tunes. Currently, I'm looking at the E-Type Jag and the CZ-3 Tarmac.

I like for street cars to stay on street tires. And while loading up the Jag with HP and drifting sounds fun (I guess), I don't want to fight crazy oversteer with my DS3 and pit every three laps. I want a car that is fun to drive on twisty, technical tracks.

Which is funny. I'm a horrible horrible driver.

 

[Schadenfreude13]

The more grip you have, the more pronounced the effects of adjustments will be. S Tires are the ones that mask tuning flaws, there is just not enough grip.

The More grip you have the more sensitive the car is to adjustments, the more pronounced the effects are. So the difference between a well tuned suspension & a poorly tuned one is more pronounced on R compound tires. With R compounds you can make the car handle incredibly worse with bad tuning then you can with S tires.

If your suspension is dialed in on R tired it should work fine on S compounds, providing they can handle the power. I agree with RJ, S tires only go so far before overwhelmed by increased power.

I both agree and disagree with these remarks.

You're right that some tuning flaws become more pronounced with R tyres, but there are also flaws that become more pronounced with S tyres.

I favor the method of doing initial setups on S Tyres, because it lets you see when HP and weight transfer overwhelm the grip level of the tyres.

The only situations I've noticed cars get worse on the R tyres is when the added grip hampers turn-in (on AWD and FF cars), or creates oversteer when powering out of corners.

 

[watermelon punch]

Is it just me?

No... Lots of people see lots of reasons NOT to.

But I believe the reason it's common to max-tune is because of the way online racing is...

In online racing, there's no way to force-restrict individual tuning parts for an online race. You can restrict hp or pp - but people can always power limit the car into the restriction. If you set up an organized race, & restrict tuning parts out, it's more or less an honour system. This honour system would never work in pub lobbies or in races that are not closely monitored for signs of cheating. (And that's a lot more work than most people have the time and/or patience to do.) So most races nobody bothers to even try to restrict parts. So that means everyone buys all the best parts on cars they plan to use for online racing, then power restricts down to whatever hp or pp... If you don't add all the best parts, chances are you're not going to be competitive, even against the same exact car. Simple as that. And since people find they could be faster if they use lots of tuning parts, it forces everyone to use lots of tuning parts to be competitive.

So it's a culture that's evolved out of a fundamental issue of online racing restriction capabilities.

It happens in every online multiplayer game basically. There's something that can give you an edge... so people start doing it to get an edge... Then everyone has to use it if they want a chance at competing.

That said, MANY people think less tuned cars are more fun to race.
It's probably why public lobby shuffle races fill up fast.

Also, I have to say, I don't know why every thread has to turn into a debate about what tire types other people are using for whatever cars. Since at least tire type is something you CAN restrict in an online race. If there were no tire restrictions, and everyone was forced to use racing softs if they wanted to do any online racing... well then I could see getting bent out of shape. But there's plenty of races that have restrictions on tire types.

And no matter what you do, once you change tire types, it's inevitable you might have to adjust the tuning a tad, to suit the tires & purposes. Even if someone posts a tune that's on sports soft... if I'm going to use the set-up on sports hard, I have to adjust it sometimes. Sometimes set-ups have to be tinkered with for different tracks. And anyway, a set-up one person might like, and one might not, for various reasons of personal driving tendencies. It's not like you can just say oh - well I'll tune it on comfort hard or sports medium or whatever, and then that'll be good for all tires in all situations for everyone. There's no one-size-fits-all tune anyway.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

No... Lots of people see lots of reasons NOT to.

But I believe the reason it's common to max-tune is because of the way online racing is...

In online racing, there's no way to force-restrict individual tuning parts for an online race. You can restrict hp or pp - but people can always power limit the car into the restriction.

I don't race in any random online rooms.

I do wonder though, will a car with 50% engine limiting be competitive with a car with 10% engine limiting down to the same PP level?

It is my understanding that too much limiting is a bad thing.

 

[Adrenaline]

A tune designed around 600hp, still drives well with 300hp
A tune designed around 300hp, will not drive well with 600hp.

Maxed tunes cover a wider range of power levels. Just because it was designed at max HP doesn't mean you have to use it at max HP.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I do wonder though, will a car with 50% engine limiting be competitive with a car with 10% engine limiting down to the same PP level?

It is my understanding that too much limiting is a bad thing.

It would not be. In PP restricted rooms I tend to lean towards a fairly small power choke that flattens out the top end of the power curve so that I can run at peak power any time I'm on throttle. I'll run as closely spaced of gearing as I can as well so I can limit the amount of choke needed to keep that going.

Also of note is that upgrades that increase the RPM limit are better for PP restricted rooms than those that don't as it will increase power more for the PP gained... Power restricted rooms? Go all out on power then cut it down and still run the close gearing but longer actual gears so you can shift earlier.

 

[Basilea]

An other thing are the parts, that don't affect PP or HP such as clutches and flywheels... it is just the easiest way just stick to the most expensive ones (they cost more, so they have to be better attitude). Most people haven't or don't want to take the time testing which part is better for a specific car!

I don't know if there is a big difference in these parts but start testing a bit on these things... just trying every part for 3 laps and compare feeling and laptimes...

 

[AlphaGnomeo]

A tune designed around 600hp, still drives well with 300hp
A tune designed around 300hp, will not drive well with 600hp.

Maxed tunes cover a wider range of power levels. Just because it was designed at max HP doesn't mean you have to use it at max HP.

I've seen some Shelby Cobra tunes that do not recommend adding all the parts, simply because the car becomes way too sensitive with max power. You sneeze and end up doing a 720.

On the other hand, there are some tunes that involve using some of the max power along with some ballast - which is another trick that some people do with the Cobra.

For online racing, I have a series of NSX cars that are set to different PP. However, because I am not sure if there would be much difference between the tunes, they are all tuned exactly the same.

 

[Basilea]

The engine and weight "trick" to fit in PP ranges is stupid! There should be another system to avoid limiting a cars engine to 10%... Maybe engine power can only be limited to 95% or something, that you can use a car that just misses the PP restriction because of 5HP...

 

[Motor City Hami]

The engine and weight "trick" to fit in PP ranges is stupid! There should be another system to avoid limiting a cars engine to 10%... Maybe engine power can only be limited to 95% or something, that you can use a car that just misses the PP restriction because of 5HP...

I think they can only be limited to 50% now, right?

Also, I don't max tune. I usually tune for myself, so for use in A-Spec and Online seasonals. I pretty much tune just enough to beat the AI. Check out my garage. The cars that I have maxed out are the ones that I tend to use for random rooms online.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

A tune designed around 600hp, still drives well with 300hp
A tune designed around 300hp, will not drive well with 600hp.

Maxed tunes cover a wider range of power levels. Just because it was designed at max HP doesn't mean you have to use it at max HP.

Sorry, my question was, would a 600 hp tune limited to 300 hp keep up with a 345 hp tune limited to 300 hp.

It is my understanding that a 345 hp tune limited to 300 hp will be faster than a 300 hp tune. The power band is flattened.

It is my understanding that too much engine limiting will make the car too dead and sluggish.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Sorry, my question was, would a 600 hp tune limited to 300 hp keep up with a 345 hp tune limited to 300 hp.

Yes. In fact it would generally be quicker if shifted properly.

It is my understanding that a 345 hp tune limited to 300 hp will be faster than a 300 hp tune. The power band is flattened.

This is correct.

It is my understanding that too much engine limiting will make the car too dead and sluggish.

In PP limited rooms power choke reduces more power for every PP you take off than removing mods (so a 600PP car detuned to 550PP would be slower than the same car built to 560PP and then slightly detuned)... But in power limited rooms choke is the way to go.

 

[Adrenaline]

RJ already answered you the last time you asked.

I do wonder though, will a car with 50% engine limiting be competitive with a car with 10% engine limiting down to the same PP level?

It would not be. In PP restricted rooms I tend to lean towards a fairly small power choke that flattens out the top end of the power curve so that I can run at peak power any time I'm on throttle. I'll run as closely spaced of gearing as I can as well so I can limit the amount of choke needed to keep that going.

My statement has to do with suspension and handling characteristics.
RKM can create a 'Max HP tune' and you can apply his settings to your stock HP car, and it will drive great.

But, if you apply a 'stock hp tune' to your max hp car, it will not handle well.

Therefor 'max hp tunes' are far more valuable than lower hp tunes. Max tunes, can easily handle less power and still perform, the reverse is not always true. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

RJ already answered you the last time you asked.

Yeah, I completely misunderstood him last time.

And what you are saying also makes sense.

So far, my favorite tuning thread is: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=194204

No idea how close they are to the cars they replicate, but the few I've tried have been kind of fun.

I'm still epically slow.

 

[TimberW]

I guess mildly tune cars also don't get much attention! Cause realistically there isn't anything else you can compare it to, apart from it's stock form counterpart.

Since there are more selection of the same fully tuned cars, it'll be easier to compare them. And find the right one which fits for you.

I also agree with the online, where people would need the 'best' car to win. It'll be cool if next time there will be some form of matchmaking with the current car you selected.

Some garage holding mildly tune cars
Trivial Tunes
RLT Garage
J'sTuning Garage

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I used to just jack all the cars all the way up with upgrades and then match these super tunes. But you're right, it kills the character of the car. I've been looking for some replica tunes so thanks for posting the link.

 

[phil_75]

I don't like tunes that start with "buy every part". Really? Does every single part really help the car? Is that last little 7 horse power on a car that already has 600 going to improve your lap times? More importantly, is it really going to make the car more fun to drive?

Is it just me?

There is a Request and Tunes prefix. At times, I wish there was Request, Tunes, and m04R tUn3s!!!1!.

Ask any RL Motorsport team if 7bhp is worth it!