Is the nurburgring too narrow?

[maximumattack]

I think its just the 911 GT2 RS that's called the widowmaker, I was in my mom's regular GT2. It's still pretty 🤬 scary coming up on the blind corners before the carosuel though lol.

Hmm, I'm not sure about this one. If thats true then I'm well happy for you that:

A: Your mother would let you drive her GT2 at speed round the Ring

&

B: Your mother is cool/brave enough to have a GT2 in the first place

is her first name Sabine? There is a thread on GtPlanet for amazing claims like this, please check out this post

Picture of the Porsche with a piece of paper saying "Hello GtPlanet" inside the windscreen officially requested

 

[smilerftm]

Looks pretty spot on to me

 

[ussr]

Transfer this track to Gt5 is not 100% perfect. I know that in r Factor and GT2 where much better. But overall physics of the game is great so we can forget about little imperfections

 

[doozle]

I remember when GT4 was released they were saying nordscheife was accurate to a degree of a few inches or something.

 

[Tommy_861]

I think its just the 911 GT2 RS that's called the widowmaker, I was in my mom's regular GT2. It's still pretty 🤬 scary coming up on the blind corners before the carosuel though lol.

Your mom has a GT2 and let you run it on the ring. Does she want to adopt a 30 yr old son from Long Island??

 

[Rader]

It seems to be pretty much the same as the real life track.

That being said, this place would be 1000x better if it was maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of a lane wider. It'd open up so many more actual racing possibilities. As it stands, much of the time when on the track with other cars is spent playing follow-the-leader or making dangerous overtaking attempts. It's a great place to time trial, but decidedly less so if you actually enjoy dicing it up with others of similar ability.

It would ruin it for me if it was wider, that's the point , to know that you have to be able to stay on the leader's tail and try to overtake in the right time, or being chased and knowing that there is someone chasing you nd that a single mistake, like 1 wheel on the grass could make you lose, if it was wider it would be just a long track.

 

[SebVettelFan]

Ahh so yeh it's pretty much spot on. Thanks for all the replys. I was just curious. I'd love to go and visit the nurburgring and find out what its like myself. Until then I guess I have the next best thing. Gt5

 

[skubaben]

Think its easy to belive its to narrow. But i belive in gt5 u guts to drive extremly much faster thene Real life. Try track agend in 100 km/h (60 Mph) and u see its ton of space

 

[skubaben]

One more thing if u cant get trough a run without going off. Thats not so Unusual but try the 9/24 houer endurance race and u will know the track better thene your home city

 

[the Interceptor]

The funny thing is ... I think the Nordschleife is perfectly done in GT4 as well as GT5. To me, it looks exactly like in the videos. If you look at the side-by-side comparisons, it looks on the spot correct.

And yet, when I was driven around the Nordschleife for the first time not too long ago, I noticed that the whole track seems wider to my eyes than it is in the game.

 

[ZR1fan]

I like the Nurburgring GP circuit. I don't really have a specific reason for liking it, but I do.

i hate the 🤬 guts of this track

 

[zedextreme8177]

It seems to be pretty much the same as the real life track.

That being said, this place would be 1000x better if it was maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of a lane wider. It'd open up so many more actual racing possibilities. As it stands, much of the time when on the track with other cars is spent playing follow-the-leader or making dangerous overtaking attempts. It's a great place to time trial, but decidedly less so if you actually enjoy dicing it up with others of similar ability.

Making the course wider would change a lot of the corners, and how you have to go through them. It would completely ruin the circuit as we know it.

I have no problem overtaking on the Nordschleife with good drivers who know how to stay on one side of the line, although I usually stick behind another drivers' tail and make him push towards a mistake

i hate the 🤬 guts of this track

I like the Nurburgring GP Course as a technical handling track, then I saw this thread and lost a lot of respect for myself

 

[HurlingDervish]

Lens focal length and camera height can have a dramatic effect on making things look different.

^^^^
The standard FOV of bumper, hood, roof and "wide" cockpit are all unnaturally forced to fit a on a flat screen to make up for all the things our curved eyes see.
If you want to see how things REALLY look, you have to put the cockpit on extra zoom. Size relationships and distances will suddenly "click".

Once you do this and go back you'll realize how strange everything else looks in the other views. Effective for better racing, sure, but it kind of takes me out of the experience sometimes.

 

[frozzie]

It is better to keep it as it is, instead of widening like how it is in Forza Motorsport.

IMO FM's ring shouldn't even be called Nurburgring Nordscheleife at all for how badly they made everything wide and it just is completely different experience on how it should be.

 

[dougdoberman]

It would ruin it for me if it was wider, that's the point , to know that you have to be able to stay on the leader's tail and try to overtake in the right time, or being chased and knowing that there is someone chasing you nd that a single mistake, like 1 wheel on the grass could make you lose, if it was wider it would be just a long track.

One wheel on the grass often WON'T always make you lose because, unless he's willing to push a dangerous move, the guy in the rear often STILL doesn't have room to make a clean pass when you make a little bobble.

I'm talking similar cars & similar skill levels here (which is the way I prefer to race.) Yeah, if the guy in front is just basically blocking, a small bobble will let you overtake easily. But if you're like on like, it usually takes a VERY serious screw-up in order to open the track up enough to get through without posing serious danger to yourself and the other racers.

Another half a lane or so would let you capitalize upon smaller mistakes and make for more dicing, which to me is better racing.

 

[cicua]

Maybe it feels narrower because you are going insanely fast. No seriously, the faster you go, the narrower the road feels, you get tunnel vision. Most youtube record clips are in the 7-8 min range, which is only somewhat average in GT5

Pick some boring soap box car and do the ring at no more than 150 km/h, you will see that it really is like a wide country road most of the time. In some places it narrows down to 2-3 lanes, while the straight is like 6 lanes wide. All picture perfect in GT5.

 

[Destinkeys]

Your problem with the Ring is that we are allowed to do things that racing drivers are NOT. First of which is weaving around multiple times to block an opponent. Most racing series limits the number of 'moves' you can put on a trailing car. Once those are used up, you will get a drive-through for continuing to block a faster car, and you WILL get a penalty for forcing a passing car off the track as he passes.

GT (the 'Ultimate non-racing Simulator') has no problem with that kind of hooliganism.

You might also notice, in the Special Events for the Merc's on the Ring, that there, slower traffic DOES do what you are SUPPOSED to do on the Ring, which is stay on the right, and let the faster car pass on the left. You'll rarely find anyone driving online that will do that, though. Even though they were TAUGHT to do it!

It's just one more in a LONG, long list of things that are completely illegal to do racing IRL that the game doesn't even TRY to adjudicate. I still don't see the point of a photo-realistic car and track, if the RULES of racing are so ignored... Might as well play Mario Kart.

 

[Tyger]

For me the Nordschleiffe is an awesome solo drive, or for cat and mouse events like the AMG Challenge where you usually have a lot more power to get past the other cars. As for all out races with cars of similar power I find it tense and challenging I guess, but also yeah, just a little too narrow, especially when others hog the middle of the road and you do indeed have to put your wheels on the grass to pass.

That said, I find it a little more forgiving than it was in GT4 if you do stick your wheels on a high curb or the green stuff, seems less likely to wipe out. I have mixed memories of the last driving challenge in GT4, with the McLaren Mercedes

 

[SS_1182]

The track is perfect, learn to drive it, and learn to drive it cleanly when other racers are involved.

 

[Destinkeys]

And driving 'cleanly' applies to when you are in front, AS WELL as when you are behind. That seems to be the major issue with the track.

NO-ONE thinks that they ought to let the faster car pass under ANY circumstances.

 

[Darktuna]

The reason the track doesn't look as wide as real life is because of the Field of Vision, In gt5 its limited, your natural field of vision is much larger than one HD monitor, or TV can display, that's why 3 monitor setups were popular on the older gt games as it increased overall field of vision. Thus giving you a better perception of depth.

 

[SS_1182]

And driving 'cleanly' applies to when you are in front, AS WELL as when you are behind. That seems to be the major issue with the track.

NO-ONE thinks that they ought to let the faster car pass under ANY circumstances.

I do, and if I have a mic I'll even try to get the guy to wait one second for the next straightaway and tell him which side to pass on so I can get out of the way.

 

[ocezam]

http://nurburgring.org.uk/warning.html


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[Mysterious R]

Too narrow for safe overtaking yes, but that's what adds to the intensity of the Green Hell...mwuahahhaha!

 

[tifoso_nz]

Maybe it feels narrower because you are going insanely fast. No seriously, the faster you go, the narrower the road feels, you get tunnel vision. Most youtube record clips are in the 7-8 min range, which is only somewhat average in GT5

Pick some boring soap box car and do the ring at no more than 150 km/h, you will see that it really is like a wide country road most of the time. In some places it narrows down to 2-3 lanes, while the straight is like 6 lanes wide. All picture perfect in GT5.

Yeah drive it in an E46 M3 and it feels wide as - drive it in a Zonda R and it's 'Holy !!!!'

You have to love this track, they've made it much better than it is in Shift for example....

 

[Rich S]

I think its an optical illusion, the distance width must be the same as the real track. But yeah, it looks and feels too narrow.

A bigger complaint I'd have with PD is Daytona. You 'Vibrate" through the corners and the Nascars are swerving all over the place wildly. The cars in real life roll through for the most part on the same line, its not that hard to drive at Daytona. Especially after the re-surface job. (Watch the Bud Shootout tonight).

 

[Tyger]

I guess i'm losing sight of what we are discussing here, is it that the 'ring is narrow generally, or that it is narrower than it should be in GT5? Because it is clearly not a wide track in "real life", it's narrow as hell in some places.

Also is it used much as a racetrack anyway? Or was it in the past? What type of races are/were run there?

I guess i'd figured it was pretty much a test track, and an awesome one, agreed.

**EDIT** And I am referring specifically to the Nordschleiffe, I am well aware of the GP track =)

 

[djanikowski]

A bigger complaint I'd have with PD is Daytona. You 'Vibrate" through the corners and the Nascars are swerving all over the place wildly. The cars in real life roll through for the most part on the same line, its not that hard to drive at Daytona. Especially after the re-surface job. (Watch the Bud Shootout tonight).

Uh, the reason it's easier after the repave is because they took the massive bumps out of the track. And just because you see professional race car drivers "roll through on the same line" doesn't mean that it was easy to drive on the old surface that is in GT5.

 

[Widowmaker00]

I live an hour away from the Ring and have been there many times, aside from the grass being a little extra green, the game ring is nearly identical to real life. Here is my very first run on the ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvJmE9mERp0

 

[FRED SIMÕES]

I think the track in this game is great as it is!

Like in the video of Widowmaker00, you can see that the track is narrow too.