Islam - What's your view on it?

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Error? Here's a big one for ya' ; God.

Exorcet
Creation myth. Pretty similar to Christianity isn't it?

My physics teacher once told me. Its completely illogical to believe that the big bang happened on its own. He believes that there is higher power but not in a deity. If you are to ask educated people in physics, most would say same thing...

But this topic isnt about existance of god, its about your views on islam. Fire away and hopefully I can answer them for you...
 
Anyone who finds decent arguments against at least most of these will get lots of high fives...

20 FACTS ABOUT ISLAM EVERY INFIDEL SHOULD KNOW


Islam …

1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.

2) Is Mohammed’s personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo’s murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts – Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes (‘abrogates’) the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.

3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah – a demonic channelling through Mohammed’s psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled versions of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.

4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.

5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.

6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.

7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or ‘thighing’ – the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.

8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word ‘najis’ – literally ‘filth’. That’s why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their ‘religion’. A Kafir doesn’t need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.

10) Allah’s followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious – “Allah leads astray whom he pleases”.

11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed’s example. If Mohammed did it then it’s OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed’s activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave – see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).

12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.

13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah’s bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm. Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous ‘martyrs’ will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.

14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -’Sudden Jihad Syndrome’).

15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.

16) The Koran is Allah’s final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.

17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.

18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.

19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran (‘jizya’ is the Arabic term for ‘protection money’ payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).

20) The attack on the host nation isn’t just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of ‘Jahiliya’ (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) – non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West.

EDIT: Source: http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress....l-should-know/
 
Im guessing publicity of the burma massacre is low in america? Buddhists slaughtering muslims in burma....but ofcourse this wont be publicised much, its not the muslims that are killing...If it were the muslims killing buddhists then it would be on every news channel. The headlines would be 'muslim terrorists!!' Here in UK all we got is one BBC article about it, and even then they still blame the muslims for their fate.

I was referring to the teaching of Buddhism, not the people's action that represent certain religion. If you learn many teachings of religion ( Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc ), you'll have better understanding about them and the people.

By the way, I came across this fascinating document years ago, a discussion between Muslim's intellectuals, read it and you'll find very intriguing revelation on Islam.

http://files.meetup.com/1276458/20231222-PROBING-ISLAM-Javed-Ahmad-Ghamidi-vs-Ali-Sina.pdf

It's a heavy read even for a Muslim, so I suggest take it easy and have an open mind.

@Carbonox : This will be a good read for you.
 
Carbonox
Anyone who finds decent arguments against at least most of these will get lots of high fives...

20 FACTS ABOUT ISLAM EVERY INFIDEL SHOULD KNOW

Islam …

1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.

2) Is Mohammed’s personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo’s murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts – Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes (‘abrogates’) the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.

3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah – a demonic channelling through Mohammed’s psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled versions of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.

4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.

5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.

6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.

7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or ‘thighing’ – the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.

8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word ‘najis’ – literally ‘filth’. That’s why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their ‘religion’. A Kafir doesn’t need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.

10) Allah’s followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious – “Allah leads astray whom he pleases”.

11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed’s example. If Mohammed did it then it’s OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed’s activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave – see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).

12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.

13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah’s bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm. Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous ‘martyrs’ will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.

14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -’Sudden Jihad Syndrome’).

15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.

16) The Koran is Allah’s final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.

17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.

18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.

19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran (‘jizya’ is the Arabic term for ‘protection money’ payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).

20) The attack on the host nation isn’t just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of ‘Jahiliya’ (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) – non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West.

Gonna need to go on my laptop to answer these. Some of these things made me laugh, as to who told you these things or where you found them.
 
My physics teacher once told me. Its completely illogical to believe that the big bang happened on its own. He believes that there is higher power but not in a deity. If you are to ask educated people in physics, most would say same thing...

But this topic isnt about existance of god, its about your views on islam. Fire away and hopefully I can answer them for you...

You asked for an error in the book. You were given what you asked for.

Great about the Big Bang, what does that have to do with anything?
 
Exorcet
You asked for an error in the book. You were given what you asked for.

Great about the Big Bang, what does that have to do with anything?

The error someone gave me was something about creation being a myth. Try keep up mate...
 
Find me one contradiction or error in the quran. This is a bet. Noone has found anything wrong in it. If you can, i'll give you a high five if I ever see you face to face....

No religious book describes planets forming from colliding material that orbits the Sun. So their explanations for the formation of the Earth are wrong.
 
No religious book describes planets forming from colliding material that orbits the Sun. So there explanations for the formation of the Earth are wrong.


And is this theory correct?

1. There are no explanations in the quran regarding how universe was formed.

2. If the point that you're making is why isnt there an explanation,
Do you expect everything to be in there?
 
Semi-related.

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Anyone who finds decent arguments against at least most of these will get lots of high fives...

20 FACTS ABOUT ISLAM EVERY INFIDEL SHOULD KNOW....

Here's my response to you.



Please refrain from posting in this thread.


Anyways..
I think its not right to debate upon a specific Abrahamic religion by itself. Since Christianity, Islam and the Jewish faith have so much in common, its more correct to debate upon them a a collective.

Just because there's Muslim terrorists doesn't mean that there aren't Christian terrorists or Jewish terrorists either. Look at the KKK, aren't they a form of terrorism? How about Lehi, the Jewish terrorist group? Theres extremists everywhere, and its quite ignorant to put a blatant stereotype on a religious group when theres a small minority of them ruining the image of a large group. Its the media that only shows bad parts of everything, and I don't blame them, because all other religious people are just like you and I, regardless of what religion they believe in. I am a Muslim. Have I blown anything up? No. Do I use explosives? Other than recreational fireworks and small sprite bombs at festive times, no. Have I fought anyone? Despite the fact that I'm 6' 1", weight 210 pounds and have a medium build, no. I and millions of other muslims believe that issues should be settled with words, not with fists and guns. After all, this is what separates humans and animals, right?

Islam brings morals to people's lives and lets them live cleanly, both physically and mentally. However, it is up to the person to follow the morals or not. The hijab for example is not used because they degrade women, but to hide "Women's beauty" so that men basically don't disrespect women and check them out, slap their 🤬 etc. Theres a reason why 1/5 of the earth's population believes in it.

If you guys have any questions, don't be afraid to ask on this thread. I keep a Qu'ran in the shelf beside my table.



You know, Muslims and Christians have the same god, different names.
 
If that's true then this is my mistake.

Although I did find this
[7.11] And certainly We created you, then We fashioned you, then We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam. So they did obeisance except Iblis; he was not of those who did obeisance.
[7.12] He said: What hindered you so that you did not make obeisance when I commanded you? He said: I am better than he: Thou hast created me of fire, while him Thou didst create of dust.
[7.13] He said: Then get forth from this (state), for it does not befit you to behave proudly therein. Go forth, therefore, surely you are of the abject ones.
[7.14] He said: Respite me until the day when they are raised up.
[7.15] He said: Surely you are of the respited ones.
[7.16] He said: As Thou hast caused me to remain disappointed I will certainly lie in wait for them in Thy straight path.
[7.17] Then I will certainly come to them from before them and from behind them, and from their right-hand side and from their left-hand side; and Thou shalt not find most of them thankful.
[7.18] He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.
[7.19] And (We said): O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the garden; so eat from where you desire, but do not go near this tree, for then you will be of the unjust.
[7.20] But the Shaitan made an evil suggestion to them that he might make manifest to them what had been hidden from them of their evil inclinations, and he said: Your Lord has not forbidden you this tree except that you may not both become two angels or that you may (not) become of the immortals.
[7.21] And he swore to them both: Most surely I am a sincere adviser to you.
[7.22] Then he caused them to fall by deceit; so when they tasted of the tree, their evil inclinations became manifest to them, and they both began to cover themselves with the leaves of the garden; and their Lord called out to them: Did I not forbid you both from that tree and say to you that the Shaitan is your open enemy?
[7.23] They said: Our Lord! We have been unjust to ourselves, and if Thou forgive us not, and have (not) mercy on us, we shall certainly be of the losers.
[7.24] He said: Get forth, some of you, the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.
[7.25] He (also) said: Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and from it shall you be raised.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=227087

Still looking for more.

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And this

[41.9] Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds.
[41.10] And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers.
[41.11] Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly.
[41.12] So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing.

It seems there is a creation myth in the Koran, but it is extremely vague. At the same time, there is zero physics involved in the account.
 
I like how people claim Islam is dangerous, when only a fraction of the Islamic populace committed horrid crimes in the name of Allah.

If we all really did believe in the terrorism mumbo jumbo, then the world would be screwed.

Most prisons in America are filled with African-Americans, but does that make the entire group dangerous to America?

Ignoramuses.

Btw Muslim, and proud of it, but you can think whatever you want about my religion. It's not affecting me anyway. And whatever happens between me and Allah, is between me and Allah. A lot of people can't do think like that for some reason.

Also, a lot of the criticism of Islam comes from the culture in which it resides in. Lack of women rights and what not, but interestingly enough, the Prophet's first wife had a lot of power both politically and financially. In fact she supported him!

How about the criticism of beating wives? Yes it is an issue that needs to be addressed, and many Muslims unfortunately use Islam as a pretext for it when they conveniently forget the wife can only be beaten by a feather.
 
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I like how people claim Islam is dangerous, when only a fraction of the Islamic populace committed horrid crimes in the name of Allah.

If we all really did believe in the terrorism mumbo jumbo, then the world would be screwed.

Most prisons in America are filled with African-Americans, but does that make the entire group dangerous to America?

Ignoramuses.

Btw Muslim, and proud of it, but you can think whatever you want about my religion. It's not affecting me anyway. And whatever happens between me and Allah, is between me and Allah. A lot of people can't do think like that for some reason.

I'll second that there is not only a lack of uniformity within Islam, but a spectrum. The extremists don't represent mainstream Islam, that is for sure. However, the association of violence with Islam is something worth looking at.

Is it an illusion created by media bias? Is it a result of economic conditions? Or are some Islamic teachings/beliefs/customs responsible partially or completely?
 
It's a combination of many things. Poverty, corrupt governments, uneducated populaces. It doesn't help that the media only focuses on the bombings and what not for the most part.

The association of Islam and violence only hit America hard in the Embassy bombings in Nigeria, and 9/11 of course.

A lot of the terrorists are just misguided guys that have their frustrations vented at the wrong people. And venting that frustration in the worst possible way.
 
Learn the history from the beginning of the religion, you'll be surprised how many things are repeating themselves, different times, different people, yet same religion yield very similar results, violence, hatred, radicals, extremists .... We should say " Mankind never learns"
 
Anyone who finds decent arguments against at least most of these will get lots of high fives...

20 FACTS ABOUT ISLAM EVERY INFIDEL SHOULD KNOW


Islam …

1) Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by a murderer, torturer, brigand, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism be silenced.

2) Is Mohammed’s personality cult. Has no foundations other than Mo’s murderous rantings (Koran and Hadith). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts – Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan stuff supersedes (‘abrogates’) the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but quote Meccan verses to the gullible infidels.

3) Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah – a demonic channelling through Mohammed’s psychopathic ego. The Death Cult mixes garbled versions of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers.

4) Has no rational, philosophical nor theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, commonsense, human decency and internal inconsistency.

5) Cannot withstand rational criticism. Can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog.

6) Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag) and of course Motoons.

7) Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or ‘thighing’ – the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged.

8) Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited or parasitised. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word ‘najis’ – literally ‘filth’. That’s why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their ‘religion’. A Kafir doesn’t need to DO anything to offend a Muslim, his very existence is enough of an affront.

9) The ethical system applies only to Muslims. Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). Muslim ethics are the ethics of the Mafia.

10) Allah’s followers are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious – “Allah leads astray whom he pleases”.

11) The only religion NOT founded on The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed’s example. If Mohammed did it then it’s OK for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia prevalent throughout Muslim society (justified by Mohammed’s activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave – see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics1.htm).

12) All human relations are defined by Dominance/Subjugation. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.

13) Polygamy ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. Beta-males must either jerk off (a sin leading to hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-destruct in the presence of infidels then they can screw 72 mythical virgins in Allah’s bordello in the sky (see and listen to http://islamcomicbook.com/lyrics3.htm. Beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of the belief that such murderous ‘martyrs’ will be able to intercede with Allah to take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them.

14) Lying and deception of infidels (taqiyya) is encouraged. This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. All Muslims need to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers who can flip in an instant (SJS -’Sudden Jihad Syndrome’).

15) Muslims are forbidden to befriend Kaffirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion may be possible.

16) The Koran is Allah’s final word and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.

17) Treaties and agreements with Kaffirs are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. Allah is The Father Of Lies.

18) The world is divided between Dar-al-Islam and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.

19) Muslims have no obligation to their host nations and in fact are encouraged to parasitise them. Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran (‘jizya’ is the Arabic term for ‘protection money’ payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims).

20) The attack on the host nation isn’t just against its religion and economy, but is aimed at its very cultural identity. Islam is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior (despite all evidence to the contrary) to other cultures. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of ‘Jahiliya’ (sometimes sp. Jahiliyya) – non-Muslim culture. In the East this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West.

EDIT: Source: http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress....l-should-know/


1. muhamed was a 'murderer' 'torturer' 'brigand' 'rapist' ? Sure whatever you say mate. Unless you fell victim to one of these by the man himself or have strong evidence regarding this, please do tell.

2. Murderous rantings? Theres this verse in the quran which says 'A death of an innocent human being is as the death of the whole of humankind, saving an innocent life is like saving the whole of mankind'. Not the exact words but close enough.

3. We do worship same god, quran mentions moses and jesus repeatedly. In quran they are called moussa and Isaa. Jesus was a prophet and spread the message of the Injeel, (bible but its not really the bible). Jesus was sent for the men of israel. 'ya bai israel'. It even says this in the bible. Also moon and meteorite worshipping? what you on about mate? it says 'what do you want to worship? the moon and sun, or the one who created the moon and son'

4. As I said before, no contradictions in the quran. You can ask the popular figure of rev jimmy swaggart. Jimmy once had a debate in america with ahmed deedat of south africa. youtube it and watch all of it. Grab a lill popcorn

5. As I said before, look at the links between terrorism and islam and how the media always highlight islam. Some 10,000 rohingyans have been slaughtered by buddhist burmans over territory issues. Barely anyone here in UK know about this. However any extreme muslim groups merely protesting for the head of a person gets live coverage on national TV. You tell me, WTF is this about? And when the BBC did have an article about the burma massacre, they blamed the muslims saying 'a Muslim man raping a buddhist woman triggered this' That rape has nothing to do with it. This has been going on for decades.

6. Have no idea what you're talking about here.

7. In islam, women are not treated as semi humans. Wife beating, these are steps for discipline, 1. not talking to her, 2. not sleeping in same bed as her. 3. Then if she still is in fault then the husband is to hit her with a tooth brush. This tooth brush is to lightly tap her, so it feels like a fly has landed on her. The tooth brush beating is metaphoric. NOT TO HURT HER IN ANY WAY. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HURT YOUR WIFE.

Incest, child abuse? what are you talking about here? where in quran or hadiths does it condone any of this?

8. As I said before. Theres this verse in the quran which says 'A death of an innocent human being is as the death of the whole of humankind, saving an innocent life is like saving the whole of mankind'. Not the exact words but close enough.

9. 'Allah encourages rape, pillage, extortion and enslavement of non-Muslims'
You cant just say something and not back it up. Find me a verse in quran if you can.

10. Please give references from quran. Dont just say something that you think is correct because you read it somewhere.

11. You are referencing from a comic book? really? As I said. please reference, but please reference from quran or even hadiths.

12. Dont even know what you're on about here

13. ???? Alpha beta males? where one earth did you get this from?

14. sudden jihad syndrome? Thats gotta be the funnies thing I've heard. Do you even know what jihad means?

15. Wrong. Please reference.

16. Please elaborate further in point 16.

17. Please reference

18. Please reference

19. Wow, this just made me laugh

20. Please reference. Also, the destruction of othe religious temples etc. Are you gonna take these groups of people and put them on the cover of the whole religion?


the source you have chosen has a URL keeptonyblairpm. Ok nuff said regarding the source.
 
@Rido:Hopefully the Golden Age of Islam repeats then.

The one where the sciences, math, and philosophy flourished while Europe was mired in the middle ages. I just hope Europe doesn't go into the dark ages again though.

Early Islam was concerned with conquest of neighboring lands for survival and glory for the caliphs.
 
Conquest usually means war, and for the caliphs, it's for survival and glory of what ? The same theme happens throughout the ages, mankind will use any reason to justify themselves. Not really the religion's fault but the people who follow it.
 
Although I did find this


http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=227087

Still looking for more.

EDIT

And this



It seems there is a creation myth in the Koran, but it is extremely vague. At the same time, there is zero physics involved in the account.

Wait so theres no physics therefore its wrong? So the person who created a meter is wrong because he made it too big? how can say something is wrong when the laws governing it havent been created yet? Also, regarding physics, we know about 1% of all physics regarding universe. We know absolutely nothing about the universe and the physics behind it. And we never will. There are only theories.

Also, how do you know the big bangtheory is right? unless you were there in first class seats watching the whole thing, there is no way anyone can say this is right...
 
Conquest usually means war, and for the caliphs, it's for survival and glory of what ? The same theme happens throughout the ages, mankind will use any reason to justify themselves.

Glory for their name and wealth and survival in that the religion spread.
They may use Islam to justify it, but at the end of the day they are really no different from conquerors of past. That's how the world in general operated back then, and pretty much today as well.
 
Wait so theres no physics therefore its wrong? So the person who created a meter is wrong because he made it too big? how can say something is wrong when the laws governing it havent been created yet? Also, regarding physics, we know about 1% of all physics regarding universe. We know absolutely nothing about the universe and the physics behind it. And we never will. There are only theories.

Also, how do you know the big bangtheory is right? unless you were there in first class seats watching the whole thing, there is no way anyone can say this is right...

Theories with quite a lot of evidence backing it up. Unlike religion, which has no evidence at all. But that is for another thread. We're talking about islam in this thread.
 
Islam is a religion what else is it? Everyone is entitled to believe what they choose.
 
Glory for their name and wealth and survival in that the religion spread.
They may use Islam to justify it, but at the end of the day they are really no different from conquerors of past. That's how the world in general operated back then, and pretty much today as well.

...you don't talk like a kid. Change your name to sumbrownman! 👍


It might be the same, but the wars will be much different. Proxy wars between countries, indirect wars such as cyberwarfare, etc.

But when you look at it, Islam's golden age was outright impressive. From India to Spain...from Kazakhstan to mid-south of Africa. Alexander the Great and Ghengis Khan only dreamed for their empires to be that big..
 
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