Islam - What's your view on it?

[Famine]

Also, regarding physics, we know about 1% of all physics regarding universe.

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We know absolutely nothing about the universe and the physics behind it.

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And we never will.

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There are only theories.

In science "theory" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. There is no such thing as "only" a theory.

 

[kk20]

Theories with quite a lot of evidence backing it up. Unlike religion, which has no evidence at all. But that is for another thread. We're talking about islam in this thread.

Did you know that there are SOOOOOO many scientific theories in the quran? These theories were later established by modern day science. Things such as embriology, the shape of the earth, how the moon doesnt have its own light source but reflects light. Now you tell me, how on earth can an illiterate poor man from saudi arabia come up with these hypothesis? The man couldnt even read or write. You can decide for yourself

 

[Joel]

Well, go ahead. What's your view on it?

It's a religion.

Hate group.

 

[kk20]

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In science "theory" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. There is no such thing as "only" a theory.

Well, when I say 1% I was exaggerating. Its actually less. As a student of physics myself, we are told this. Also, my theory is that you are a female. How can I possibly know? the evidence may suggest it from what you type or how you come across as. But theres no way to fully know unless I perform a number of tests with your body.

 

[Danny]

Religion has never sounded so kinky.

 

[Dennisch]

But theres no way to fully know unless I perform a number of tests with your body.

1 test will do.

 

[Famine]

Well, when I say 1% I was exaggerating. Its actually less. As a student of physics myself, we are told this.

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Also, my theory is that you are a female. How can I possibly know? the evidence may suggest it from what you type or how you come across as. But theres no way to fully know unless I perform a number of tests with your body.

That'll be an "hypothesis", not a theory.

It takes quite some time and quite some testing for something so trivial as an hypothesis to reach the elevated status of a theory - and even then it will only be a part of that theory.

 

[Exorcet]

Wait so theres no physics therefore its wrong?

Yes, because, through physics, how the universe works.

The universe does not work without physics. Ancient people were ignorant of modern physics, and their creation myths show this. They are incompatible with the real world.

So the person who created a meter is wrong because he made it too big?

What person? There is no evidence for someone creating meteors.

how can say something is wrong when the laws governing it havent been created yet?

Pretty much everything we see today only existed after the laws of the universe were in place.

Also, regarding physics, we know about 1% of all physics regarding universe. We know absolutely nothing about the universe and the physics behind it.

If we know 1%, then we know "how much" physics there are in total. How did you find that out? Or was 1% made up?

Thinking that we know nothing about the universe is simply ridiculous. Denial or ignorance.

There are only theories.

Theories, the greatest pieces of human understanding. They fly you through the air, make your computer work, and keep you healthy. Everyone on the planet knows they are strikingly accurate 99% of the time, whether they know that they know or don't.

Also, how do you know the big bangtheory is right? unless you were there in first class seats watching the whole thing, there is no way anyone can say this is right...

Why do I need to see something to verify it? We have science.

The Big Bang is the best explanation for the universe as it is, that's all that's important. Even better, if it turns out that it's wrong it will be thrown away and forgotten.

Did you know that there are SOOOOOO many scientific theories in the quran? These theories were later established by modern day science. Things such as embriology, the shape of the earth, how the moon doesnt have its own light source but reflects light. Now you tell me, how on earth can an illiterate poor man from saudi arabia come up with these hypothesis? The man couldnt even read or write. You can decide for yourself

There are no theories in the Koran. There are writings made by people with imaginations. It's the same as the claims of modern scientific knowledge in the Bible.

There is some vague meaningless sentence, and then someone goes and makes a connection that doesn't exist because the writing in the book can be interpreted in literally and infinite number of ways.

 

[kennylmao]

A religion just like any other, but manipulated by people who wield power.

Muslims are cool as well, they're just like you and me, they pray 5 times a day and avoid pork or alcohol.

 

[kk20]

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That'll be an "hypothesis", not a theory.


It takes quite some time and quite some testing for something so trivial as an hypothesis to reach the elevated status of a theory - and even then it will only be a part of that theory.

Well, google how much of the universe we actually know about. We dont even know what dark matter is but it makes up approx 70% of universe.

Dictionary.com definition of theory. "A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine."


Its used to explain a PREDICTION.

How do you test for big bang? perform your own big bang and see if you've created a mini universe?


I collect everything you say with a group of fellow GTP'ers. We compare your comments and analyse the words used and grammar. At the same time we have female test subjects and we ask them series of questions similar to what you have indulged in. More comparisons. We then look at the style of font and colour of fonts used. Avatar, username. If my team come to a conclusion that you are in fact a female then that is a theory.

Muslims are cool as well, they're just like you and me, they pray 5 times a day and avoid pork or alcohol.

Exactly. But there are some groups such as the tonyblair blog which point out and misinterpret.

 

[Dennisch]

A religion just like any other, but manipulated by people who wield power.

Muslims are cool as well, they're just like you and me, they just pray 5 times a day and avoid pork or alcohol.

I know plenty of Muslims who drink alcohol. And they go to the mosque.

And praying 5 times a day... Only seen them do that during Ramadan.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

What does the Koran says about time dilation ? Just asking ...

 

[Exorcet]

How do you test for big bang? perform your own big bang and see if you've created a mini universe?

Big Bang = energy

Where's the heat?

Let's predict Cosmic Background Radiation.

And there it is.

I collect everything you say with a group of fellow GTP'ers. We compare your comments and analyse the words used and grammar. At the same time we have female test subjects and we ask them series of questions similar to what you have indulged in. More comparisons. We then look at the style of font and colour of fonts used. Avatar, username. If my team come to a conclusion that you are in fact a female then that is a theory.

A decent hypothesis, or rather as you put it a conclusion.

Your theory is actually that females post a certain way. And it's only a theory if it's true or supported by evidence.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I know plenty of Muslims who drink alcohol. And they go to the mosque.

And praying 5 times a day... Only seen them do that during Ramadan.

Yeah they're called part time Muslims.

Then again, I do become part time myself as of late with all the studying and volunteering and what not.

What does the Koran says about time dilation ? Just asking ...

Probably nothing, because the Quran does not concern itself with the sciences as much as it does with the daily life of the person reading it.

How else did the Muslims scholars during the Golden Age manage to pursue their intellectual pursuits while at the same time keep the faith?

 

[Famine]

Well, google how much of the universe we actually know about. We dont even know what darm matter is but it makes up approx 70% of universe.

That counts as a citation in your world does it?

Dictionary.com definition of theory. "A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine."

Yes. You just quoted exactly what you've not been saying.

A hypothesis is what you're calling a theory. You test the hypothesis. Once tested, a theory can be formed to explain the results. Commonly, theories encompass many separate tested hypotheses.

How do you test for big bang?

Why would you? You're confusing "hypothesis" (what you test) with "theory" (a complete explanation for a group of known, observed results) again.

I collect everything you say with a group of fellow GTP'ers. We compare your comments and analyse the words used and grammar. At the same time we have female test subjects and we ask them series of questions similar to what you have indulged in. More comparisons. We then look at the style of font and colour of fonts used. Avatar, username. If my team come to a conclusion that you are in fact a female then that is a theory.

Nope. That'll be a conclusion. The hypothesis would be that I am female. The test (which seems to have no control) generates the results. The conclusion is whether the hypothesis is correct or not. There is no theory there.

Citations and evidence of how much we know of the physics of the universe, please. If you're going to demand it of other members' silly claims about Islam, it makes little sense not to provide it of your own claims about the universe.

 

[W3H5]

This was never going to get very far without a massive fight kicking off.

Now, who'd like to join my new thread and chat, it's called - "Jedism - Were they the droids you were looking for?"

(That last bit was a joke btw for those with out their inner nerd.)

EDIT: Looks like somebody missed the 'Don't argue with Mr. F' memo.

 

[Dennisch]

Famine is Feminine??

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Especially when Mr.F has 3 bachelor degrees..

 

[dhandeh]

This was never going to get very far without a massive fight kicking off.

Now, who'd like to join my new thread and chat, it's called - "Jedism - Were they the droids you were looking for?"

(That last bit was a joke btw for those with out their inner nerd.)

EDIT: Looks like somebody missed the 'Don't argue with Mr. F' memo.

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I must say, this is great viewing.

 

[W3H5]

Yup, I'm subscribed. Not to comment, just for the laughs.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

You can subscrbe to threads?

 

[Tornado]

Yeah. Under "Thread Tools."

I'm saying, if the Westboro Baptist Church qualify as a hate group, as they do for most who know about them, Islam shouldn't be treated differently.

Except that makes no sense. Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group under the guise of Christianity (hence, "Baptist"). Not even remotely the same thing as labeling an entire religion as a hate group.

 

[kennylmao]

Be a Buddhist hippie, no wars, no hate, just love and peace. And marijuana.

Better still, it's all about the love man.

I know plenty of Muslims who drink alcohol. And they go to the mosque.

And praying 5 times a day... Only seen them do that during Ramadan.

Yeah, they are those who do that too but most of the ones I know here in my country are conservative and religious. Damn my Asian country! lol

My dad has a Muslim colleague who eats pork too!

 

[sumbrownkid]

Better still, it's all about the love man.



Yeah, they are those who do that too but most of the ones I know here in my country are conservative and religious. Damn my Asian country! lol

My dad has a Muslim colleague who eats pork too!

I can't do pork man, it just looks so nasty.

Now give me some Buffalo!

 

[Dennisch]

I can't do pork man, it just looks so nasty.

Now give me some Buffalo!

Try bacon with eggs. Or a frikandel with mayonaise.

 

[W3H5]

I'm mostly put off Islam because of the who bacon thing, but it sure would help me staying T-total.

Would a Jedi be considered an infidel to a Muslim? Honest question, I'm not trying to be silly.

 

[Dennisch]

You would be considered a silly infidel.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Yep. Sucks I know.

An infidel is technically anyone that rejects the beliefs of the faith in question.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Would a buddhist monk who lived his entire life in seclusion at a remote mountain top temple, never knew women, never drank alcohol, never eaten any meat, or harmed any other living being considered infidel, just because he is not a muslim ? Just asking ....

Oops, answered

 

[W3H5]

An infidel is technically anyone that rejects the beliefs of the faith in question.

OK, this might sound stupid, but to believe in an identical faith based on the same scripture and ideals but without conforming to the ceremonial side of things like prayer and dietary restraints would I still be considered Infidel?