Islam - What's your view on it?
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WRP001That's a matter of style actually. I was taught in school not to use a comma, but in US schools today, or at least in California, they are now teaching the kids (my kids) to use one before 'and' in a list.
http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/052709serialcomma.htm
Not that the above link is the bible or anything
Thats pretty weid considering they both do pretty much the same job anyway. I was taught same as you.
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That's a matter of style actually. I was taught in school not to use a comma, but in US schools today, or at least in California, they are now teaching the kids (my kids) to use one before 'and' in a list.
http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/052709serialcomma.htm
Not that the above link is the bible or anything
Yeah, but we've established that US English and English are merely the same story told with a different supporting cast.
Much like Judaism and Islam. Oh yeah, I segued that like a pro.
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Mary Magdelene? Might have been a hottie...
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At least we got a good thread out of it.👍
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That's certainly true in and of itself. However, when somebody does blow themselves up taking innocent people out around them, it usually turns out to have been a Muslim that did it.
(I know that somebody is now going to post every single exception as if it somehow negates the "usually" in what I said. Furthermore I'm talking about current events, not things like WW II Kamikazes.)
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My simplified view is that Islam is a major world religion very much in the Abrahamic tradition that includes Judaism, Christianity and Mormon. Undoubtedly, the very earliest roots go back to ancient Egypt, Sumeria and Persia.
It provides guidance in a way of life that many millions of people find provides solace from the often extreme difficulties of quotidian existence.
I do have some concerns. One, why does Islam seem to have such a perpetual and self-destructive internal conflict between the Sunni and Shia branches? Another, more general concern common to some major religions is the apparent desire to convert everybody on Earth to their religion, or if unable to do so, condemn, cast out and even destroy those who see things differently? If the entire global population were converted to a single, unified religion, the world undoubtedly would be a more peaceful place. But it would surely take a mighty, god-awful bloodbath to accomplish this sort of goal at this point in world history.
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It provides guidance in a way of life that many millions of people find provides solace from the often extreme difficulties of quotidian existence.
I do have some concerns. One, why does Islam seem to have such a perpetual and self-destructive internal conflict between the Sunni and Shia branches? Another, more general concern common to some major religions is the apparent desire to convert everybody on Earth to their religion, or if unable to do so, condemn, cast out and even destroy those who see things differently? If the entire global population were converted to a single, unified religion, the world undoubtedly would be a more peaceful place. But it would surely take a mighty, god-awful bloodbath to accomplish this sort of goal at this point in world history.
Respectfully submitted,
Steve
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For years the IRA bombed my city. Injured my friends (none of them killed luckily). Destroyed places I regularly visit.
The IRA are a purely Catholic organisation. Do I hate all Catholics? No. That would be stupid and ignorant.
Same applies to Muslims.
The IRA are a purely Catholic organisation. Do I hate all Catholics? No. That would be stupid and ignorant.
Same applies to Muslims.
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I think that's the theory, but we would likely become even more petty over trifling behaviors and likely still divide ourselves over minutiae, unless an even greater level of tolerance was thrown into the mix. Human beings, as a mass, tend to find a way to marginalize another sub-division as a means to gain an advantage. I think that's why it's important for that to happen; entropy occurs and allowing for things more or less "as they are" is ultimately a better sort of awareness that keeps everyone from going completely bonkers. I feel the same would occur if a single political party were to entirely take control of any government, which cannot distinguish individuals from the masses, the latter of which are much more predictable.
But otherwise, I have no opinion on Islam.
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Once again, my opinion is that it isn't something that's inherent to the religion. It has more to do with the countries where Islam is predominant. The issues in the Muslim world have to do more with an uneducated populace, and are more socioeconomic in nature. As you can see from the responses by sumbrownkid and NissanSkyline in this thread, Muslims who grow up in developed countries don't have a desire to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. If Christianity were predominant in the Middle East instead of Islam, the same issues would be present, only people over there would be blowing themselves up in the name of Jesus.
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Well, the teachings of the two religions are very very similar, Famine's Spiderman analogy is a very apt comparison. I don't have any "evidence" in the sense that I can absolutely prove it would be true, but it seems to make logical sense. I find it hard to believe that everything would be happy rainbows and magical fun time in Afghanistan because of Jesus. The teachings of Islam and Christianity are just too similar for that to make sense. A country like Afghanistan in its current state is going to be full of crime, injustice, and violence, regardless of which magic man in the sky they believe in. Christianity isn't a special "peaceful" religion. It's a religion that teaches primarily good things, but crazies can still kill in the name of it, just like in Islam. Crazies have less to do with the religion itself and more to do with socioeconomic or political factors influencing them.
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Religion itself is impotent. A particular system of faith or belief has no causal properties; it's just a common statement that people either choose to accept as corresponding to the truth, reject, or just ignore. It can also become a part of someone's worldview like any other statement that people can accept. I can be a utilitarianist or a naturalist and I could say that I had done any particular act because of my worldview that included these beliefs, but is the common statement that I adhere to to be blamed or praised? Or is it the assertions that I personally add to these claims that are the real cause of the issue?
A religion can be very vague and difficult to define. What exactly constitutes Islam anyway? To be a Muslim do you have to believe that the entire Koran is infallible? And what constitutes Christianity? Do you have to believe in a trinitarian God to be a Christian? These are crucial questions in these types of discussion.
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Anyone peacefully submitting their will to Allah is a muslim. Referencing according to bible, jesus done this. As I've said before, there are people following the bible as a guide and these people are known as 'christians'. But in any muslim persons view, these people are muslim but are just using the bible (moderated injeel) as a guide as opposed to the quran.
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The bombings of abortion clinics?
Not according to quran( 4:150-152)
Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -
Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
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@Thinker: Which is my mindset when it comes to the whole Sunni-Shia schism. The whole conflict in itself was started by political squabbling after the Prophet's death.
Ok so obeying the quran is the way to becoming a muslim atm. But back then you had to obey the injeel. Transition phase, some changed to the quran (known as Muslims nowadays) some stayed obeying the injeel (known as Christians nowadays). What I was trying to say is that many Christians do peacefully submit their will to Allah which defines the word Islam. But doesnt technically make them a Muslim.
Yeah. But when you think about the way shia's do things its mind-boggling. All this stuff with including other creations through your prayers. Its completely shirk to be associating partners or praying to anyone apart from Allah.
