"It Takes No Skill To Drag" - Prove it

[ROYALEFATALE]

Tuning in GT5 is no where near the level of tuning in real life. You're are making it sound as if they are almost on par with each other.



He's kind of right though. It really is just pressing a button when necessary. Shift points can be easily found and really requires no skill. By 3 runs a definite shift point can be found. Maybe even 2. But does it really require the "skill" to follow these shift points correctly. Is it really oh-so hard that it's suddenly a "skill" to accomplish it?

exactly, if you're dragging a real car having the hand/foot coordination to shift fast is what i would consider a skill, pressing a button on the PS3 controller, not so much. i know you're searching for some form of validation but it's just not there.

 

[kennyblanco]

Tuning in GT5 is no where near the level of tuning in real life. You're are making it sound as if they are almost on par with each other.

That wasn't my intention. The point was that it is more to it than punching in random numbers.

And as it has been repeatedly stated- Drag racing in gt5=80%tune and 20%driver. You guys are treating it as if the only thing there is to dragging in gt5 is to hop in a car and go when tuning is the key aspect of dragging. Without a good tune you will not be good. The tuning is being left out of the equation by you guys and you are focusing solely on the driving. Anyone can drive. It takes some work to get the most out of your car through tuning.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Please stop arguing for your own good. Thank you.

Am I winning?! Can you not think of a good response? Just throwing things out there so don't yell at me.

I'll continue to argue as you are permitted to tell me to stop. I'm quite fine and I don't see how I'll be physically or mentally or even emotionally hurt if I continue. So I think my "own good" will be just fine.

 

[kennyblanco]

exactly, if you're dragging a real car having the hand/foot coordination to shift fast is what i would consider a skill, pressing a button on the PS3 controller, not so much. i know you're searching for some form of validation but it's just not there.

Don't need validation in the form of others' approval. Just trying to make a point.

skill- 2a:the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance b:dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks 3:a learned power of doing something competently :a developed aptitude or ability

 

[PTK]

If your so smart and you think that it is so easy stop the talk and do what you said you would do a week ago. Prove it.

I really don't understand everything you stated takes skill. If it was easy you arguing people would be no faster than anyone else. Stop talking and prove it. No point in talking unless you have proven it. If you haven't then why are you wasting your time. Go tune.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I've been waiting to "prove it". No one has contacted me on anything. I'm waiting on you.

 

[PTK]

I've been waiting to "prove it". No one has contacted me on anything. I'm waiting on you.

Did you not read the OP? It's not our job its up to YOU.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Sorry I forget things. But didn't one of you guys challenge me? I accepted and haven't gotten a word from whoever that was.

Also I'm not going to just pick out 5 people. That will be so annoying to talk about a time when we could meet up and everything. Ya know, time zones and such.

 

[PTK]

Sorry I forget things. But didn't one of you guys challenge me? I accepted and haven't gotten a word from whoever that was.

Also I'm not going to just pick out 5 people. That will be so annoying to talk about a time when we could meet up and everything. Ya know, time zones and such.

I can't speak to that... its up to you. I'm going to bed because I have a 5am flight tomorrow. Good Luck. Also might want to make a list of cars to use... if you really want to make a point, call out people on team SOLO, LEGION, REDLINE, DOMINATION, MKU, or STAY TUNED...

 

[mafia_boy]

I have just sifted through 11 pages of BS!! Honestly, I'm ashamed right now of all sides at the moment and this is why:

First off, DRAG RACING IS NOT DIFFICULT!!
Secondly, CIRCUIT RACING IS NOT DIFFICULT!!
Thirdly, DRIFTING IS NOT DIFFICULT!!

The thing that IS difficult, and is the common denominator in all this argument is that TUNING IS DIFFICULT!! It DOES NOT MATTER what form of motorsport you are trying to be the best at. All of these forms of racing can be done by trained chimps and they usually are done by trained chimps called names like Jenson Button in circuit racing, or John Force in drag racing or Tetsuya Tsuchiya in drifting. But it's the complete package of having an epic tune AND an epic driver that allows teams and racers to win the race.

So this chopping up the stats saying circuit is 80% driver/20% tune and that drag is 20% driver/80% tune is absolutely retarded. It's 50/50, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT!! If it's not 50/50, then either you are failing your car or your car is failing you, period.

Now, IF ANY PERSON FROM THIS POINT ON WANTS TO SAY THERE'S NO CHALLENGE TO ANY FORM OF MOTORSPORT, BE IT DRAG, DRIFT, OR CIRCUIT, THEN GO AND TEST YOURSELF OUT AGAINST THE ELITE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, GET YOUR ASS HANDED TO YOU AND THEN SHUT THE 🤬 UP AND EDUCATE YOURSELF!!

/rant.

 

[kennyblanco]

... if you really want to make a point, call out people on team SOLO, LEGION, REDLINE, DOMINATION, MKU, or STAY TUNED...

True. It really wouldn't help prove your point by beating anyone other than one of the best. Not even beating them, but just managing to be competitive. Losing by more than a couple carlengths isn't considered competitive either. Let me know when this is going down. I'm very interested to see how you fare.👍

 

[kennyblanco]

@Mafs-Well put

 

[Downhill Dino]

The thing that IS difficult, and is the common denominator in all this argument is that TUNING IS DIFFICULT!! It DOES NOT MATTER what form of motorsport you are trying to be the best at. All of these forms of racing can be done by trained chimps and they usually are done by trained chimps called names like Jenson Button in circuit racing, or John Force in drag racing or Tetsuya Tsuchiya in drifting. But it's the complete package of having an epic tune AND an epic driver that allows teams and racers to win the race.

But what makes tuning difficult?

 

[mafia_boy]

But what makes tuning difficult?

Tuning is completely different to driving. Being able to tune means that you can take a car that is performing one way (in this example we'll say poorly) and make it perform another way (in this example we'll say beautifully).

Now, how does this occur?? Well, in all forms this can be construed on how your car is setup and it relies on a balance in all areas. For example in a cirucit race, you can have a car be the absolute bee's knees down the straight and be so much faster than the other car, but if it can't handle the corner it's all for nothing. Same thing applies if we reverse it. So if the car can handle like it's on rails but it doesn't have the performance down the straight and gets swallowed by every car by the finish line then what's the point of that?? It's no good being infront at the final corner, it's being infront at the finish line that counts.

Swap disciplines from circuit over into drag racing and the same things apply but in different ways. For example, you might have a great car that is 8mph faster than everyone else at the line, but if your slower getting to the line because your gearbox isn't setup correctly to have the right gear ratios, or that your suspension is so soft that it causes the car to bog down and lose 0.2sec on takeoff that you can't catch back, what's the point of having that 8mph extra in terminal speed??

That's why tuning is difficult. It doesn't matter on the discipline, it all relies on the skill of the complete package. For example, you could get one of the D1 Gold WRS racers (for example MarkWebber aka GTP_DHolland), and if you gave him an absolute dogbox of a tune, even an alien like him will find it next to impossible to win when he's facing opposition that's equal in driving skill.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S 50/50 BETWEEN TUNE/DRIVER!! 👍

 

[Downhill Dino]

That didn't answer my question.

 

[mafia_boy]

That didn't answer my question.

Well, let's just say it involves being mathematical in a lot of areas which most people don't know the tools to use, which makes it look like a black art to most people. It also involves a lot of instinct to how a car handles which can be taught in basic mechanical knowledge. That's why tuning can be difficult, unless you have the tools already, you won't know where to start.

 

[Downhill Dino]

There are no tools in GT5. But I think I understand anything else you said this time.

 

[zedfonsie]

Well, If you can setup your car right that's good for you, but you can't overrev your engine so it doesn't take as much skill as you think.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S 50/50 BETWEEN TUNE/DRIVER!! 👍

if this were true drag tunes wouldn't be TOP SECRET

 

[Rotary Junkie]

if this were true drag tunes wouldn't be TOP SECRET

I'm actually willing to give out (and have given out) a 2012 GT-Argh tune that should be theoretically capable of an 8.900 or so with correct launch technique, and an 8.946 in auto holding WOT from the moment you press "start acceleration test".

What's the record? Oh, 8.895? Yeah. Not all that top secret and the only reason I haven't given that away yet is that I'm definitely not certain it's the fastest it can be.

Then again, 4-5 thousandths of a second difference means exactly nothing in GT5's online racing. A variance of 6ms in ping on a ghost launch means, even if both drivers leave at the same point in time after the tree dropped on their screens, the one with the "worse" tune won because he had lower latency.

 

[dr_slump]

But what makes tuning difficult?

It is easy to put some random numbers in. I don't even call that tuning.

But to make a setting as good as possible, to make one of the best tunes, that's everything else than easy.
It needs lots of time and knowledge and if you fail in math and logical thinking, it's probably nothing for you. Would you call that a skill?

I'm sure you've never done a good drag tune, so you've not the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Only guessing I see.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It is easy to put some random numbers in. I don't even call that tuning.

Well, until you figure out the quirks of the game, that's pretty much all tuning is.

But to make a setting as good as possible, to make one of the best tunes, that's everything else than easy.
It needs lots of time and knowledge and if you fail in math and logical thinking, it's probably nothing for you. Would you call that a skill?

In a way, sure. But it isn't unapproachable and it certainly isn't something that some will be innately better at than others, unlike driving.

I'm sure you've never done a good drag tune, so you've not the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Only guessing I see.

He probably hasn't.

I have. I'm no god at it but I don't need to be to see that the results I get to can be obtained by anyone with enough patience.

 

[fest0r]

if this were true drag tunes wouldn't be TOP SECRET

Signing up to drag racing sites, hatred for those nasty drag racers who keep their tunes secret… I realise now… you know exactly how hard drag tuning is

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Signing up to drag racing sites, hatred for those nasty drag racers who keep their tunes secret… I realise now… you know exactly how hard drag tuning is

Nah, he's just lazy. And doesn't know enough of the basics.

Then again, the base tunes on the drag sites all suck and point people in the wrong direction to an extent.

 

[mafia_boy]

if this were true drag tunes wouldn't be TOP SECRET

Well the drag tunes in GME aren't secret.....already 16 in there from me alone and I'm doing big batch 2 after the leaderboard including one of my crown jewels, the Veyron.

Nah, he's just lazy. And doesn't know enough of the basics.

Then again, the base tunes on RKM all suck and point people in the wrong direction to an extent.

Fixed. Are you saying that I was pointing people in the wrong direction too bro?? Results prove otherwise from many people who have used GME's tunes for the tunnel and you know this to be true.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

Signing up to drag racing sites, hatred for those nasty drag racers who keep their tunes secret… I realise now… you know exactly how hard drag tuning is

yeah it's as hard as looking up the right numbers, thanks

 

[fest0r]

yeah it's as hard as looking up the right numbers, thanks

I see you have been trying to do that at some other sites but this is your perfect chance to prove it takes no skill… create and post your own top tune right here

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Well the drag tunes in GME aren't secret.....already 16 in there from me alone and I'm doing big batch 2 after the leaderboard including one of my crown jewels, the Veyron.

Heh. They aren't secret but they're also several car lengths behind your "good" tunes.

Fixed. Are you saying that I was pointing people in the wrong direction too bro?? Results prove otherwise from many people who have used GME's tunes for the tunnel and you know this to be true.

Yes, on some cars. Might've been closer to "right" than some people's "base tunes" but they were intentionally miles off the "pro" tunes.

As for RKM base tunes... Those don't exist. We either give out all we can (787B TSC from GT4 for example) or don't bother.


@fest0r: Don't race Royale's 2012 GT-R, he's probably found my tune for it.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

I have no problems posting up a tune or running anyone. After all, that is the point of this forum, to educate and share with each other so we all come out with a better experience together.

My favorite drag car is the Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 '70

Although it won't run with quicker cars, it's still a blast and is pretty quick.

I won't go listing everything from the tune shop, just completely max it out, and do the oil change trick. This should give you 845/hp weigh in at 1329/kg and produce 575pp.

Straight to the important stuff:

Suspension:

Ride height -20/-14
Spring rate 12.0/6.0
Dampers Ext. 7/4
Dampers Comp. 4/2
Anti roll bars 6/3
Camber 1.9/1.5
Toe -0.12/+0.15

Drivetrain:

Initial torque 0/30
Acceleration 0/60
Deceleration 0/5

Transmission:

1st: 3.500
2nd: 2.500
3rd: 1.800
4th: 1.390
5th: 1.100
Final: 3.500

Your shifts should be @ 6400-6500 rpm.

Enjoy!

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

I see you have been trying to do that at some other sites but this is your perfect chance to prove it takes no skill… create and post your own top tune right here

my Aventador has only lost to one other at 1/4 mile, can't think of the dude's name but his is painted chrome, i had a Veyron beat through 4th gear at Indy, something's wrong there