"It Takes No Skill To Drag" - Prove it

[kennyblanco]

Ok here's a better example for you. If you are a circuit racer and your car suffers from massive understeer will punching in random numbers alleviate the problem??? No! Unless you have a general understanding of tuning you will not be able to remedy the problem.

Can you guys at the very least acknowledge that TUNING (drag, circuit, drift, etc.) requires skill?

 

[fest0r]

You're still just punching in some numbers.

As someone had said, not sure who and where, "Drag racers like to make everything sound more complicated then it really is". I like that quote, just need to find who said it.

If it wasn’t complicated and took no skill, every drag racer would be at the same level. I can assure you this is not the case. The numbers that we are “punching in” don’t just appear out of thin air.

Would you accept an independent definition of the word “skill”?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skill

Now if this was a debate about hand eye coordination then you might have a case, but it’s not. Again, the people who don’t participate in drag racing seem to be shouting the loudest that it doesn’t require skill.

 

[kennyblanco]

Again, the people who don’t participate in drag racing seem to be shouting the loudest that it doesn’t require skill.

 

[Swara]

👍

 

[kennyblanco]

Ok here's a better example for you. If you are a circuit racer and your car suffers from massive understeer will punching in random numbers alleviate the problem??? No! Unless you have a general understanding of tuning you will not be able to remedy the problem.

Can you guys at the very least acknowledge that TUNING (drag, circuit, drift, etc.) requires skill?

Still no response/rebuttal?

Thank you! I'll be here all day!👍

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Ok here's a better example for you. If you are a circuit racer and your car suffers from massive understeer will punching in random numbers alleviate the problem???

Eventually, yes.

Unless you have a general understanding of tuning you will not be able to remedy the problem.

You won't be able to remedy the problem quickly. You'll be able to fix it though.

Can you guys at the very least acknowledge that TUNING (drag, circuit, drift, etc.) requires skill?

Nope, even though I do all of it.

Tuning, per se, does not require any type of skill. It requires time investment. "Skill" at tuning is how quickly you can get to a good result based off previous experience, but anyone can get good results.

 

[kennyblanco]

@RJ If they have the patience to randomly change each setting until they get their desired result, then yes.👍

But under that method I could crack the code to a safe given I took the time to input every possible number combination. So does that mean that the guy that can open it in a few seconds vs my few days have the same skill as me?

 

[Maccer_42]

I've posted in this thread before saying my views on this, I know drag racing takes alot of skill in understanding the tuning of the car and understanding how to drive it and launch it the best, and I know just giving someone a top tune will not make them immediately the fastest guy.

But i'd agree with what EliteDreamer says.

I still don't see how winning has anything to do with proving our point.

You - "LOL drag racing. What's so hard about going in a straight line"


Us - "Race me"


You - "LMAO ok"


*gets destroyed*


You - "Wow, it actually does take some skill. Sorry for the misconception bro 👍"




Basically we're tired of people looking down on this, EVEN THOUGH it is now officially supported.

So because you beat someone that shows you have skill? and the guy that lost doesn't? Does that mean if someone else then goes on to beat you they have the right to say you have no skill?

If winning is the only way to prove skill in drag racing then my understanding of this is, is there will only be one guy that has true skill and everyone doesn't until they beat him.

For me, the skill in drag racing comes in improving my times to go faster and quicker than I could before, for what ever car it may be.
Just beacuse you beat someone in a race it doesn't mean you have skill and they dont, it just means you beat them.

 

[fest0r]

@RJ If they have the patience to randomly change each setting until they get their desired result, then yes.👍

But under that method I could crack the code to a safe given I took the time to input every possible number combination. So does that mean that the guy that can open it in a few seconds vs my few days have the same skill as me?

Excellent point Kenny… it’s like the infinite monkey theorem 👍

I guess rj and me just don’t agree on the definition of “skill”.

 

[Simple Matt]

Tuning, per se, does not require any type of skill. It requires time investment. "Skill" at tuning is how quickly you can get to a good result based off previous experience, but anyone can get good results.

So if it requires no skill then I guess anyone could open up a tuning garage ad get 6,000+ replies.. I just might do that, cause your no better at it then me.. All you have on me is that, you obviously have leas of a life as you can spend more time on GT5 then me.. That is what your saying isn't it..

 

[Slash]

But surely if I could make an excellent/skillful tune (If I had the experience to know some drag tuning) and lost, then it would be said I have no skill?

No, then you would be told that you have the potential and to tinker with your tune a bit.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

So if it requires no skill then I guess anyone could open up a tuning garage ad get 6,000+ replies..

Potentially, yes, anyone could.

I just might do that, cause your no better at it then me..

Don't get ahead of yourself there hotshot.

All you have on me is that, you obviously have leas of a life as you can spend more time on GT5 then me.. That is what your saying isn't it..

I've obviously put more time into it...

Then again, considering I've been tuning seriously for a bit over 4 years... I don't necessarily have to be a "no-life" to have put more time in.

 

[Jabberwack]

So because you beat someone that shows you have skill? and the guy that lost doesn't? Does that mean if someone else then goes on to beat you they have the right to say you have no skill?

If winning is the only way to prove skill in drag racing then my understanding of this is, is there will only be one guy that has true skill and everyone doesn't until they beat him.

For me, the skill in drag racing comes in improving my times to go faster and quicker than I could before, for what ever car it may be.
Just beacuse you beat someone in a race it doesn't mean you have skill and they dont, it just means you beat them.

If you never win, you're obviously not very good, simple as that. I don't see how this is so hard to understand, so I'll put it in terms that you will hopefully get. Say you race someone around the ring in the same car WITH the same tune. If they beat you, would it be fair to say they have more skill than you?


You also don't always have to win, an experienced player will know when he's slower than his opponent even though he might have won the race. You make us look like lifeless machines and all we care about is winning. WE DON'T. I find enjoyment in racing different cars against each other to see how close the race is. Once you get through all your preconceptions and bias, you will realize that drag racing is a legitimate event where both "pros" and "noobs" can have a good time, which is what this game is all about.

 

[OwensRacing]

Every dog has his day.

 

[Swara]

Every dog has his day.

👍

 

[eightlives]

simple drag is tune as just tune and press gaz but race and that take corner make it all harder cause you need skill for al that drag oh vrmmmmmm strait line......

So I can just tune the car then press the gas and go? Wow I've been doing it all wrong worrying about shifting and trying to get a good launch.

 

[Slash]

Every dog has his day.

And mine has come and gone.

 

[kennyblanco]

So I can just tune the car then press the gas and go? Wow I've been doing it all wrong worrying about shifting and trying to get a good launch.

Yeah, you got it all wrong buddy. Don't forget to paint your cars bright neon or chrome too. That way when you fly by everyone they'll be sure to see you! It helps if you got some fly rims to. But you gotta paint those a different bright color so er'body can see 'em! You must be a nOOb. There's no need for all that stuff you talk about. Tuning is wack! Allz you gotta do in dragging is point and shoot fool.-in Mr. T voice.

 

[ampire]

fail thread is fail

 

[Slash]

fail thread is fail

How is this a thread that fails? Please elaborate.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

If it wasn’t complicated and took no skill, every drag racer would be at the same level. I can assure you this is not the case. The numbers that we are “punching in” don’t just appear out of thin air.

ha ha here's the thing, the only reason they don't appear out of thin air is because they're kept a secret, whoever made the tune obviously spent a long time tweaking the numbers sure, but all that work and "skill" can be handed over to anyone by posting the numbers and suddenly they're also a fast dragger...see how that works? is it really skill involved when someone else can produce the exact same results by punching in the same numbers? no it's the amount of hours spent in testing.

 

[kennyblanco]

ha ha here's the thing, the only reason they don't appear out of thin air is because they're kept a secret, whoever made the tune obviously spent a long time tweaking the numbers sure, but all that work and "skill" can be handed over to anyone by posting the numbers and suddenly they're also a fast dragger...see how that works? is it really skill involved when someone else can produce the exact same results by punching in the same numbers? no it's the amount of hours spent in testing.

The skill lies in the tune friend. Why must we keep going in circles. There is no forward progress being made on your behalf. You keep saying that the skill is driving but it has been stated myself and every other dragger on here that the tuning aspect is where the bulkof the skill is at. I'm not even going to get into getting a proper launch or finding the correct shift points involved in driving. But if it is so simple, I will post one of my tunes and challenge you to beat me with it.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

ya we're talking about two different things, tuning takes a lot of time and effort, but when you're actually on the track there's really not skill much involved.

 

[PTK]

ya we're talking about two different things, tuning takes a lot of time and effort, but when you're actually on the track there's really not skill much involved.

There is skill in shifting at the correct time every race for various cars.

 

[kennyblanco]

The main skills needed driving are-
1)Good reaction time
2)Getting a good launch
3)Knowing your car/tune to be able to shift at the best point to stay in the powerband

Tuning requires a comprehensive understanding of the effect each individual component has on your car and how to maximise the effectiveness of each component. This requires skill. This is the point you are missing. Tuning your car is as big a part if not bigger than actually driving it. This is a game not real life. We do not have a team of people building a car for us to take to the track, therefore we must perform all the necessary tasks to get our cars fast on our own. We are the drivers and the mechanics so to speak. For you to neglect one whole aspect of it means that you truly do not understand the debate.

If you still don't believe that it takes skill just have a look at how many tune requests are in this sub-forum.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

just wondering what skill is required to get a good launch? i mean you hold the gas and let off the brake while your launch ratio does all of the real work. also shifting is as easy as pressing a button, knowing your shift points isn't really a skill, in a real car where you have a clutch pedal and gearbox yes, but GT...no.

 

[PTK]

just wondering what skill is required to get a good launch? i mean you hold the gas and let off the brake while your launch ratio does all of the real work. also shifting is as easy as pressing a button, knowing your shift points isn't really a skill, in a real car where you have a clutch pedal and gearbox yes, but GT...no.

I have no idea what your talking about. Everything you just stated takes skill.

 

[kennyblanco]

just wondering what skill is required to get a good launch? i mean you hold the gas and let off the brake while your launch ratio does all of the real work. also shifting is as easy as pressing a button, knowing your shift points isn't really a skill, in a real car where you have a clutch pedal and gearbox yes, but GT...no.

Again you're neglecting the whole other half of drag racing-the tuning. I'm done discussing this with you until you realise this. You're making my head hurt with all this going in circles.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Tuning requires a comprehensive understanding of the effect each individual component has on your car and how to maximise the effectiveness of each component. This requires skill. This is the point you are missing. Tuning your car is as big a part if not bigger than actually driving it. This is a game not real life. We do not have a team of people building a car for us to take to the track, therefore we must perform all the necessary tasks to get our cars fast on our own. We are the drivers and the mechanics so to speak. For you to neglect one whole aspect of it means that you truly do not understand the debate.

Tuning in GT5 is no where near the level of tuning in real life. You're are making it sound as if they are almost on par with each other.

=ROYALEFATALE]just wondering what skill is required to get a good launch? i mean you hold the gas and let off the brake while your launch ratio does all of the real work. also shifting is as easy as pressing a button, knowing your shift points isn't really a skill, in a real car where you have a clutch pedal and gearbox yes, but GT...no.

He's kind of right though. It really is just pressing a button when necessary. Shift points can be easily found and really requires no skill. By 3 runs a definite shift point can be found. Maybe even 2. But does it really require the "skill" to follow these shift points correctly. Is it really oh-so hard that it's suddenly a "skill" to accomplish it?

 

[Swara]

Tuning in GT5 is no where near the level of tuning in real life. You're are making it sound as if they are almost on par with each other.

He's kind of right though. It really is just pressing a button when necessary. Shift points can be easily found and really requires no skill. By 3 runs a definite shift point can be found. Maybe even 2. But does it really require the "skill" to follow these shift points correctly. Is it really oh-so hard that it's suddenly a "skill" to accomplish it?

Please stop arguing for your own good. Thank you.