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Sigh, Japan is being ignorant as 🤬 again. May they continue to fail to understand the "This content is not available in my region." argument to the piracy debate. It's one reason why people pirate in the first place. They want to see the content, but there is just no legal way, and many times there never will be.
I find it ironic how in MAGP's video, there are two series that aren't licensed in North America in there, Urusei Yatsura and Hyouka. Urusei Yatsura was licensed, but the DVD's are now OOP, go for a lot online, and buying them does nothing for the creators. Also their website gives you links only to where to find legal methods only in North America (North America is the only region in the world?), and is missing results for many licensed series.
Also nearly $20 billion is lost from piracy on anime and manga? I find that incredibly laughable, especially considering even if you watch the show via legal means, it still doesn't mean someone is going to buy it. I can't even begin to count the number of shows I've seen through legal streams I have no intention on buying either because I didn't like the show, or I did like it, but just don't care enough to own it. Also the anime industry could never, ever make that kind of money yearly. It's already niche as it is, even in Japan. Not every download or illegal stream view is a lost sale, and how can you have lost sales if the show isn't even licensed in that region? The Japanese Blu-rays are NOT meant to blind-bought, and only a small handful of people import Japanese anime releases. Japanese anime releases are first and foremost, targeted at the Japanese.
I mean buying non-Japanese releases has very, very, very little affect on what gets made in Japan these days. If a show bombs in Japan but does really, really, really well overseas, they still won't go through with making more of that show.
In any case, this is a losing battle, you cannot eliminate piracy completely. They will always find ways around, and more sites will just continue to spring up. They will also screw over less knowledgeable people out of series that remain unlicensed in their region.
They really should instead be focusing their efforts on bringing more content to more places legally, so people have less of a reason to pirate. Also they need to inform newer fans more of where to get content legally when it's in their region. Their website is a step in the right direction, but as I said earlier, it covers only North America, and doesn't have everything.
It's just like ANN and leaking announcements from magazines and making Japanese publishers angry. They take a magazine that isn't even out yet, scan it, watermark it with the URL to their news article, and then yeah, they leak news. And that watermarked image makes it way to all the Japanese news blogs out there, and ANN is like praised as a god for it. Give me a 🤬 break./ANNRant
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/ZmOdMQevMM1tFI1goI/browse/item/69830/4/0/0
In an ANNCast years ago, about two years after Geneon had shut down, it was stated that when they had lowered their prices to much closer to the competition, sales did not increase very much for them. Prices have fallen even lower since Geneon then had these prices.
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/ZmOdMQevMM1tFI1goI/browse/item/70791/4/0/0
And yet, sales aren't that great. A good seller for Sentai Filmworks is around 3,000 copies (And back in the day 10,000 was a bad seller), FUNimation's it's much more than that, but lower than 10,000. Older shows (I'm presuming he's referring to like Discotek) move around 1,000 total (Last question). And as Justin Sevakis on ANN stated (Third question) a while back, in their entire shelf life, most anime these days will never get to around 17,000 units, what this set from nearly 13 years ago had from just pre-orders, the entire print run.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/releases.php?id=297
Don't even get me started on how FUNimation's LE's have been way overproduced these days when they're printed in quantities of like 2,000, and are still easy to find 2+ years later.
And with licenses being so cheap these days to where you can license a show just by taking out a student loan like the founder of Crimson Star Media, Corey Maddox did (Before he later got arrested for violating his probation by going to an anime convention which had minors), and our cheap prices, Japan isn't getting very much from us anymore, and they don't give very much of a crap.
If anything, lowering prices further would just hurt the industry more. In fact, that's what caused this big drop.
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums...Jetro-North-American-anime-market-2012-report
In 2010, the industry had almost completely abandoned singles, and as such, sales took a huge nosedive. The fact that things are leveled shows that lowering prices is the main cause of that drop between 2009 and 2010.
It's 2014, using the DVD's/BD's are your way to watch something for the very first time has become a thing of the past, especially in North America. Nearly everything that gets licensed gets legal streams, so there's very little reason to blind-buy anymore.
And just so you know, the Japanese BD's are meant for the collector's, not the average joe. Japan is not a DVD/BD-hungry country, most people don't really buy them except for movies which take up less space, and are easier to rewatch as movies are shorter than TV shows. More than half of the Blu-rays sold are for anime, which are bought by the hardcore fans that feel they absolutely must own that show at all costs. The prices are so high because it's the only way for them to make a profit. Just about everyone that had any interest in buying it is already buying it. They've tried lower prices before, and each time, sales didn't increase very much. Japanese anime fans have an inelastic demand for the Blu-rays of the shows they want.
This is honestly how media is supposed to work, you try it out, and then if you care enough about the series, you buy the physical copy which stays in your collection.
I find it ironic how in MAGP's video, there are two series that aren't licensed in North America in there, Urusei Yatsura and Hyouka. Urusei Yatsura was licensed, but the DVD's are now OOP, go for a lot online, and buying them does nothing for the creators. Also their website gives you links only to where to find legal methods only in North America (North America is the only region in the world?), and is missing results for many licensed series.
Also nearly $20 billion is lost from piracy on anime and manga? I find that incredibly laughable, especially considering even if you watch the show via legal means, it still doesn't mean someone is going to buy it. I can't even begin to count the number of shows I've seen through legal streams I have no intention on buying either because I didn't like the show, or I did like it, but just don't care enough to own it. Also the anime industry could never, ever make that kind of money yearly. It's already niche as it is, even in Japan. Not every download or illegal stream view is a lost sale, and how can you have lost sales if the show isn't even licensed in that region? The Japanese Blu-rays are NOT meant to blind-bought, and only a small handful of people import Japanese anime releases. Japanese anime releases are first and foremost, targeted at the Japanese.
I mean buying non-Japanese releases has very, very, very little affect on what gets made in Japan these days. If a show bombs in Japan but does really, really, really well overseas, they still won't go through with making more of that show.
In any case, this is a losing battle, you cannot eliminate piracy completely. They will always find ways around, and more sites will just continue to spring up. They will also screw over less knowledgeable people out of series that remain unlicensed in their region.
They really should instead be focusing their efforts on bringing more content to more places legally, so people have less of a reason to pirate. Also they need to inform newer fans more of where to get content legally when it's in their region. Their website is a step in the right direction, but as I said earlier, it covers only North America, and doesn't have everything.
Want to know why they're "still behind"? It's because they put the chapters out when the magazine actually goes on sale in Japan. Those scanlated manga chapters are leaked, put out days even a week before the issue is actually in stores in Japan.
It's just like ANN and leaking announcements from magazines and making Japanese publishers angry. They take a magazine that isn't even out yet, scan it, watermark it with the URL to their news article, and then yeah, they leak news. And that watermarked image makes it way to all the Japanese news blogs out there, and ANN is like praised as a god for it. Give me a 🤬 break./ANNRant
No, you wouldn't. R1 publishers learned this years ago. Geneon for example used to put out box sets that were THIS expensive.
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/ZmOdMQevMM1tFI1goI/browse/item/69830/4/0/0
In an ANNCast years ago, about two years after Geneon had shut down, it was stated that when they had lowered their prices to much closer to the competition, sales did not increase very much for them. Prices have fallen even lower since Geneon then had these prices.
http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/ZmOdMQevMM1tFI1goI/browse/item/70791/4/0/0
And yet, sales aren't that great. A good seller for Sentai Filmworks is around 3,000 copies (And back in the day 10,000 was a bad seller), FUNimation's it's much more than that, but lower than 10,000. Older shows (I'm presuming he's referring to like Discotek) move around 1,000 total (Last question). And as Justin Sevakis on ANN stated (Third question) a while back, in their entire shelf life, most anime these days will never get to around 17,000 units, what this set from nearly 13 years ago had from just pre-orders, the entire print run.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/releases.php?id=297
Don't even get me started on how FUNimation's LE's have been way overproduced these days when they're printed in quantities of like 2,000, and are still easy to find 2+ years later.
And with licenses being so cheap these days to where you can license a show just by taking out a student loan like the founder of Crimson Star Media, Corey Maddox did (Before he later got arrested for violating his probation by going to an anime convention which had minors), and our cheap prices, Japan isn't getting very much from us anymore, and they don't give very much of a crap.
If anything, lowering prices further would just hurt the industry more. In fact, that's what caused this big drop.
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums...Jetro-North-American-anime-market-2012-report
In 2010, the industry had almost completely abandoned singles, and as such, sales took a huge nosedive. The fact that things are leveled shows that lowering prices is the main cause of that drop between 2009 and 2010.
>Implying blind-buying is still that much of a thing
It's 2014, using the DVD's/BD's are your way to watch something for the very first time has become a thing of the past, especially in North America. Nearly everything that gets licensed gets legal streams, so there's very little reason to blind-buy anymore.
And just so you know, the Japanese BD's are meant for the collector's, not the average joe. Japan is not a DVD/BD-hungry country, most people don't really buy them except for movies which take up less space, and are easier to rewatch as movies are shorter than TV shows. More than half of the Blu-rays sold are for anime, which are bought by the hardcore fans that feel they absolutely must own that show at all costs. The prices are so high because it's the only way for them to make a profit. Just about everyone that had any interest in buying it is already buying it. They've tried lower prices before, and each time, sales didn't increase very much. Japanese anime fans have an inelastic demand for the Blu-rays of the shows they want.
This is honestly how media is supposed to work, you try it out, and then if you care enough about the series, you buy the physical copy which stays in your collection.
