Jev's Supercar Benchmark

[599GT]

TpaKK

About the track: 71 corners, 9km. Most of the corners are low speed ones, so good lap times rely on grip. Track favors 4WD cars.

Setup: sixaxis controller, manual transmission, ABS 1, all aids off, grip reduction set to real

Cars are stock unless stated otherwise!



Hypercars:

Bugatti Veyron SuperSport*: 3:28.897 | sport soft
McLaren F1 LM*: 3:29.928 | sport soft
Bugatti Veyron 16.4: 3:30.832 | sport soft
McLaren F1: 3:32.213 | sport soft
Lamborghini Murcielago SuperVeloce: 3:35.100 | sport soft
Pagani Zonda F*: 3:37.548 | sport soft
Saleen S7: 3:39.680 | sport soft
Ferrari Enzo: 3:39.710 | sport soft
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 722 Edition: 3:40.313 | sport soft


Supercars:

Nissan GT-R '12*: 3:44.730 | sport hard
Nissan GT-R SpecV: 3:45.205 | sport hard
Nissan GT-R '07: 3:47.335 | sport hard
Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 SuperLeggera*: 3:48.538 | sport hard
Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR: 3:50.042 | sport hard / 37.734 | sport soft
Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1: 3:50.560 | sport hard / 3:44.083 | sport medium
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4: 3:50.822 | sport hard
Ford GT: 3:51.211 | sport hard
Ferrari 458 Italia: 3:52.049 | sport hard
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: 3:52.338 | sport hard
Audi R8 5.2: 3:52.787 | sport hard
Lexus LFA: 3:54.655 | sport hard
McLaren MP4-12C: 3:54.863 | sport hard
Porsche 911 GT3 (996)*: 3:56.425 | sport hard
Honda NSX-R: 4:00.240 | sport hard


90s:

Jaguar XJ220: 3:53.565 | sport hard
CiZeta V16T: 4:01.291 | sport hard


80s:

Ferrari F40: 3:57.768 | sport hard
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary: 3:59.900 | sport hard
Ruf CTR "Yellowbird": 4:09.297 | sport hard


Concepts and non-production vehicles:

GT by Citroën: 3:27.109 | sport soft
Project Serpent**: 3:27.697 | sport soft
Honda NSX-R LM Prototype: 3:31.559 | sport soft
Volkswagen Nardo W12: 3:32.300 | sport soft
BMW M5 GTR**: 3:34.647 | sport soft
Tommy Kaira ZZ-II: 3:34.681 | sport soft
TVR Cerbera Speed 12: 3:34.865 | sport soft
Cadillac Cien: 3:35.936 | sport soft
Nissan R390 GT1: 3:39.179 | sport soft
Honda NSX (model with 446hp and rigidity improvement)**: 3:52.039 | sport hard


*: replica, car tuned to the real car's specs
**: doesn't exist


Conclusion***:

Best car(s): McLaren F1, Nissan GT-R, VW Nardo, Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR, Bugatti Veyron (I can't believe I said this), Murcielago SV, Corvette ZR1, Honda NSX (), ZZII
Worst car(s): Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Ferrari Enzo, McLaren MP4-12C, V16T
Biggest dissapointment(s): McLaren MP4-12C, Ferrari Enzo
"What is this, I don't even..." award: McLaren MP4-12C
Veyron note: Veyron can handle but lacks aerodynamics, it has huge grip and corners amazingly, it can matchdestroy the F1 on this track.
Project 7/12 note: I see why it's cancelled - it cries for racing tires.
Nardo note: Amazing car, if only it was put into production.
NSX note: Even with only 280hp it can pull out 4:00 minutes, it loses at least 5 seconds on the straight. If only NSX had a little bit more power it would be a great match to 458, MP4-12C, Ford GT, Gallardo and rest of the supercars, amazing car! By the way, NSX-R LM is a beast on another level.
McLaren F1 note: Best car ever made, those two runs are amongst the most rewarding laps I ever had, I pushed the car so much and I'm extremly pleased with the result. I'm certain that it can not go any faster but my goal for F1 is achieved - a sub 3:30 lap in a MR car, what a beast!
ZZ-II note: Wow, for 60.000cr this is easily the best car in the game. Handles like a dream and goes amazingly fast - don't miss it if you see it in UCD.
V16T note: Horrible and twitchy car, don't bother.
R390 note: Amazing car with possibly the best grip out of all car's I've tested but with not enough grunt.
XJ220 note: As suspected - better than F40 and worse than F1 (lap-time wise). Bad brakes and noticable turbo lag.


***: based on track performance




Coming up:
Ruf CTR2, Ferrari 458 re-test, Pagani Zonda F re-test, Ford GT re-test

 

[Chikane_GTR]

interesting

Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR: 3:53.797 | sport hard
Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1: 3:54.583 | sport hard

Puts a smile on my face

Yea Lets Go Viper ''

Yea i know the ACR finished 7th _-_ But hey atleast it had a better lap time then the Corvette ZR1 -_-

 

[Snakebitten]

Let's see. Design a track that favors a particular platform/car then tweak said platforms/cars while leaving the other platforms as is e.g. ZR1 nor ACR get upgraded 2010/2012 specs or are equipped with the tires they are tuned with from factory. Then declare the GTR the best supercar BY FAR. LOL

Nice unbiased, factual test there matey.

 

[599GT]

Edited.

 

[DeolTheBeast]

You made this on the course creator?

 

[599GT]

Yup.

 

[ZeGermanBastorD]

Let's see. Design a track that favors a particular platform/car then tweak said platforms/cars while leaving the other platforms as is e.g. ZR1 nor ACR get upgraded 2010/2012 specs or are equipped with the tires they are tuned with from factory. Then declare the GTR the best supercar BY FAR. LOL

Nice unbiased, factual test there matey.

You wouldn't believe it, but the GT-R is one of the best super cars. If not the best, you'll get the most bang for the buck with the GT-R, no doubt. 👍

Just check this out (how your ZR1 is getting smoked from a "rice cooker"):

 

[599GT]

Edited.

 

[Abraxas]

I'm doing something similar in my "WrongGear Mag", but I've decided to create more balanced track. Some fast corners, some slow, lon straight, and most important to me it's quite easy, so driving skills won't be a factor.

I'm quite surprised that on your track Veyron is still on top.
Nice work, keep it up 👍

Damn I should have put my thread in this section

 

[599GT]

Veyron is on top, everyone who says it doesn't steer should learn to drive it.
Amazing times between McLaren F1 LM and Veyron SS. I was really pushing both cars, I was hoping for a 3:29.xxx. -_-

 

[deadcat777]

Corvette Fanboy, Face IT! GTR>Corvette!

 

[Snakebitten]

Lol at the GTR fanboi's. Even bringing up a video of a more powerful highly modded GTR tearing up a weaker modded ZR1 in the straights LMBO while the OP test is about the twisties.

Dude I don't care which car wins. I like all of em but your test is flawed and you admitted the testing venue favors AWD. How else did you expect the data to turn out?

Also if you really want to go real life with these cars on a circuit track then check out Car and Driver lightening lap leaderboard. At VIR which is a 4 mile track with twisties and straights the ACR was about 7 secs faster than the GTR while the ZR1 beat the GTR by about 3-4 secs.

Any short twisty track will favor AWD like TGTT. put em on as neutral a track as you can get where it doesn't overly favor one platform over the other and then it's a better test of each cars abilities. Also the ACR in GT5 doesn't have downforce stock so it's not a real representation of what the car can do stock. Plus it comes with and tuned with soft tires. That's where I'm coming from. But carry on the juvenile bashing.

 

[599GT]

Put them on a neutral track where ZR1 will win? Do I hear Daytona?
How about no.
Don't flamebait in my thread, I don't want a flamewar.
I'll only say this: GT-R > Corvette and that is proven not only by me, but by Top Gear (Stig's lap times) too.
'Ring laptime doesn't count, Vette used there wasn't the same stock model you can go & buy.

 

[Snakebitten]

What are you like ten years old? I referenced VIR. Where are you pulling Daytona from? Never mind I know. Check out VIR in google and tell me it looks anything like Daytona.

 

[Snakebitten]

Also I hope you know the difference between a wet lap and dry lap at the TGTT. Jeremy has said there can be a 3-5 sec swing in lap times between dry and wet lapping with the same car. Yet you compare the dry GTR lap time to the wet/damp ZR1 lap time and declare it proof lol. You don't understand basic testing parameters much less do a proper test which mind you can't be done on a PS3 game with many aspects of certain cars lacking.

 

[Mac K]

Who actually cares about what The ZR1 and the GT-R ran at the Top Gear track? Top Gear is an excellent show, but their lap times mean next to nothing in the real world... The GT-R and ZR1 are both great cars in real life, as well as in GT5.. Chill out you guys. Nice track by the way

 

[599GT]

Ok, I'll re-do the ZR1.
I'll give 110% and I'll update the leaderboard.
But I doubt it'll make any difference.

 

[Snakebitten]

Ok, I'll re-do the ZR1.
I'll give 110% and I'll update the leaderboard.
But I doubt it'll make any difference.

Just so we squash this I didnt initially intend the thread to go in this direction. No hate here. Redoing the test may not make any difference because the track is still in favor of the AWD setup. That's what I was getting at NOT that the ZR1/ACR etc are necessarily better on every track. Just like you stated about Daytona. It would favor any car, regardless of platform, that has hp/df advantage. This is one reason why C&D chose VIR for there multicar testing.

On VIR the GTR whooped the 08 Z06 by 3 seconds and the GTR is down on hp to the Vette so VIR is a better balance between power and handling than say TGTT in my opinion. It allows a tester to see the whole envelope of a cars performance not just it's incredible low speed grip which any AWD car by most notably the GTR has in spades.

 

[tigersharkdude]

I love Corvette's, im putting that out there right now

BUT you cant compare two cars that are close to equals while one is RWD and one is AWD.
How is that for both of you, not stop your "w"itchin'

 

[599GT]

Re-done the 'Vette, she did it in 3:50.560.
And then I did the SpecV again - 3:47.852!
That's 0.050 slower than Murcielago SV, what a machine!

Corvette is insane on this track, just insane. Perfect balance.

As I've said - I'm fully aware that this track favors 4WD cars, I can't make it different due to course maker beeing the way it is.
If you see any strange time - just tell me and I'll re-do the test.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Re-done the 'Vette, she did it in 3:50.560.
And then I did the SpecV again - 3:47.852!
That's 0.050 slower than Murcielago SV, what a machine!

I Think You Shoud Redo The Viper ACR Lap aswell ...

 

[599GT]

I Think You Shoud Redo The Viper ACR Lap aswell ...

Viper did 3:41.4 on sport softs, I'll put that in the chart.
As much as I know ACR comes on "street legal racing tires" and that's sport soft in GT5.
In GT5 however ACR comes on sport hard, I did the test on both compounds nevertheless. I'm pretty sure I can get sub-3:40 on softs in ACR, I'll test it later.

 

[BarronGeddon]

Jev's Supercar Benchmark

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Noun: A standard or point of reference against which things may be compared or assessed.

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[599GT]

Yes, and?

Viper update:
3:50.042 | sport hard
3:37.734 | sport soft

One of the best cars ever made, enough said.
SS lap was amazing, trully amazing.

 

[gtnoobie]

Great job and great laptime too!
No test is definitive but at least u tried to be as neutral as possible. In terms of skills, there shld be no doubt given ur lap time and platinum trophy status.
I dunno how u manage it in veyron but I can't seem to get the hang of it.
To doubters, u shld do ur own track and test. Put the result on and compare. Who knows it might change ur opinion. Of vette vs viper vs GTR, there's no way to convince each camp be it irl or in gt5. May the best car/driver win.

Btw, since both are good cars n drivers why don't u run the untuned stock GTR vs stock vette (non rm) base on the new seasonal real world circuits in 5 online race? The 5 real life tracks shld give u plenty of real comparison as it is not specifically made for any car. of cos all assist off except abs1. let us know if it happens.

 

[599GT]

Great job and great laptime too!
No test is definitive but at least u tried to be as neutral as possible. In terms of skills, there shld be no doubt given ur lap time and platinum trophy status.
I dunno how u manage it in veyron but I can't seem to get the hang of it.
To doubters, u shld do ur own track and test. Put the result on and compare. Who knows it might change ur opinion. Of vette vs viper vs GTR, there's no way to convince each camp be it irl or in gt5. May the best car/driver win.

Btw, since both are good cars n drivers why don't u run the untuned stock GTR vs stock vette (non rm) base on the new seasonal real world circuits in 5 online race? The 5 real life tracks shld give u plenty of real comparison as it is not specifically made for any car. of cos all assist off except abs1. let us know if it happens.

Thanks for the heads up.
I tested the Viper again and wow, a tiny bit slower than the Zonda, amazing car Viper.
I'll do that sometime, but not before I get a wheel (the Vette vs GT-R on real tracks).

 

[Snakebitten]

Great lap on the retest of both cars. I suspect the GTR's would still be faster on SS tires right? Hard to best AWD on a track like that. It can be done but you would have to be perfect.

To the guy calling me a doubter lol. There was nothing to doubt. All cars mentioned by OP are phenomenal in there own right when it comes to corner carving etc. Only problem I had was the testing parameters NOT which car won. I'm a car dude period in RL. I've never owned a Vette or Viper but have owned many Japanese cars the best of which was my gone but not forgotten 350z :-(. Loves me some GTR but I'm not biased toward any brand or car. Set up a thorough as possible test and let the results speak for itself. No test will be absolute though. Too many variables.

Btw 599gt I agree with you on the Veyron handling. I've got a sweet setup on mine and man does it perform well even on the Ring. Takes some time but it is a beast on most tracks. In real life it's a different story but in this game it will beat most hyper/supercars on most tracks.

 

[599GT]

Great lap on the retest of both cars. I suspect the GTR's would still be faster on SS tires right? Hard to best AWD on a track like that. It can be done but you would have to be perfect.

To the guy calling me a doubter lol. There was nothing to doubt. All cars mentioned by OP are phenomenal in there own right when it comes to corner carving etc. Only problem I had was the testing parameters NOT which car won. I'm a car dude period in RL. I've never owned a Vette or Viper but have owned many Japanese cars the best of which was my gone but not forgotten 350z :-(. Loves me some GTR but I'm not biased toward any brand or car. Set up a through as possible test and let the results speak for itself. No test will be absolute though. Too many variables.

Btw 599gt I agree with you on the Veyron handling. I've got a sweet setup on mine and man does it perform well even on the Ring. Takes some time but it is a beast on most tracks. In real life it's a different story but in this game it will beat most hyper/supercars on most tracks.

I don't think GT-R would be as fast on sport soft tires. I'll try that too.
Good thing I re-tested those cars, good thing you noticed.
Cheers.

 

[arsenal123gunne]

What about Vette on Sport Softs?

 

[savage388]

What about Vette on Sport Softs?

Yes IRL the zr1 comes with sports softs.