Kazunori Yamauchi on Gran Turismo Fan Expectations, SUVs, Expensive Wheels, Tourist Trophy, and More

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SUVs could totally work in GT btw

You could have the Urus vs some range rover vs whatever the Bentley is vs the cayenne

You could easily make an entire class out of five cars and IF IT WAS PERFORMANCE BALANCED PROPERLY it would be a great addition. Very heavy and a lot of power would make it a real challenge.

But GTs issue is that the production cars they add are just kind of dumped in and they rely on the PP rating to compensate instead of creating proper sub-categories of cars which is a total failure in game design.

They could do much better with the trucks they have in the game for exactly the same reason.
 
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None of it is relevant. Objectivity isn't relevant. Needs aren't relevant. People don't buy cars based on the exact minimum amount of vehicle they need, or on objective metrics. The argument "Well you don't need [x] so why buy [x]" is a non-starter, because you can make the exact same argument against all cars.
People usually (always) buy what they can afford. Many people may dream of a Ferrari 458, but they don't have an astronomic salary, they have a family, kids and places to be. They can't afford even an oil change on that Ferrari. So they end up buying a car that they can afford to maintain and that suits their needs most. And for a lot of people it ends up to be a SUV or even worse - a crossover or minivan. Something along the line of CX-7

When car enthusiasts end up saving some cash, they actually buy something interestibg and fun as a second/project car. This is just simple life things.
I get it - you love your ultra-rare insanely-powerful sporty CX-7. Good for you! But that still doesn't mean that if you could - you would choose it over anything. In perfect world, like in videogame, 99% of people would drive anything but this kind of car.
Yeah, maybe there are people who would enjoy this car in terms of "I'll build a sleeper out of it!" but that is niche.

GT in last years seems like it doesn't know what it wants to be really...


If translation is correct, I would assume that KAZ is talking about perfomance SUV's, but they aren't exactly what you would call an enthusiast car. For me, it's a "we can sell a lot of theese and stay afloat, because the market for our supercars is low" kind of cars. Yeah, I can see them being added in the game.

But my overall outrage is because of the focus of the KAZ. It's like if GT7 is a full-blown game and there's not much to improve other than to add some SUV's, and if you want some actual gameplay or iconic cars - why? We already got everything covered! Yeah, SUV's would totally make the game more relevant and enjoyable, total game-changer! The only thing that is missing from GT7!
 
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People usually (always) buy what they can afford. Many people may dream of a Ferrari 458, but they don't have an astronomic salary, they have a family, kids and places to be. They can't afford even an oil change on that Ferrari. So they end up buying a car that they can afford to maintain and that suits their needs most. And for a lot of people it ends up to be a SUV or even worse - a crossover or minivan. Something along the line of CX-7

When car enthusiasts end up saving some cash, they actually buy something interestibg and fun as a second/project car. This is just simple life things.
I get it - you love your ultra-rare insanely-powerful sporty CX-7. Good for you! But that still doesn't mean that if you could - you would choose it over anything. In perfect world, like in videogame, 99% of people would drive anything but this kind of car.
Yeah, maybe there are people who would enjoy this car in terms of "I'll build a sleeper out of it!" but that is niche.
I'd rather have any of my cars than a Ferrari 458. Even the one that's literally a parts car for two of the others. And I've driven a Ferrari 458.

You now know three car enthusiasts who have, on purpose and for their needs, bought SUVs. When you made your initial statement you knew zero. Now you know more than you did before but yet somehow you're still trying to act like you're right...

If you could stop making rubbish up (this is the third time I've warned you about making rubbish up) and behaving boorishly, that'd be great.
 
Another thing that is very typical about this interview is Yamauchi complaining about how expensive new sim racing wheels are.

Ignoring the fact the game economy is designed around microtransactions - it's his game, if he wanted to do something about expensive wheels he could make the force feedback better for older, cheaper models of sim racing wheels so his game isn't effectively incentivising people to spend more money to trade paint with the top players.

And it is entirely possible for him to do this, because the force feedback model for the first few months of GT7 was fantastic and gave a lot of feel and directness across a lot of wheels before they neutered it.
 
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Y'know, Kaz's sentiments seem to line up with the auto industry. If there wasn't a market for them, we wouldn't have enthusiast SUV's like the DBX 707, Durango R/T and Hellcat, Urus Performante, or Lister Stealth. I'm game for for more SUV's if they're woven in with a healthy amount of other cars. Gran Turismo, like Need for Speed, is a celebration of past, future, and current car culture. Like or not, SUV's are a part of it.
 
Nice... That's an extremely low percentage of people. And that still depends on the disability the person in question has which makes it an even lesser percentage overall.
I think you're underestimating the amount of people with disabilities by a long shot. While it's only 4.4 percent using wheelchairs (I am one) a whopping 17.8% of females and 17.6% of males in Australia have a disability. That’s 1 in 5 people, and of them over three-quarters (76.8%) of the people with a disability reported a physical disorder as their main condition.

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Both of my parents (separated) have SUV's for the exact reason @Famine mentions about seat height, and they are both motoring enthusiasts like me as well (my dad raced speedway stock cars, mudpluggers and boats).
 
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Honda Odyssey from GT4-6 says hi.

And the Avantime I mention in the article, although that's a very awkward vehicle to actually classify as a two-door, four-seat MPV.

Who can even imagine performance Transit vans? Ludicrous!


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Yeah, what kind of moron races those, eh?
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Still not interested.

There’s nine people in that photo of the ford cosworth transit van and only 3 of them are looking at it. Lol
I'm not sure that people are buying SUVs because they are car enthusiasts. Minivans were popular few years or decades ago, probably more for their convenience than for their spirit / sportivness or for what they were bringing in term of "car culture". Still, they've never been abundant in the GT series.

I'm not for them both being added to the game, but to be honest I don't really care if they come. As long as other cars do not remain alone in their categories...
Good point, there’s a few cars that basically have to run against themselves. What competes with the Porsche 917k? It’s not the P4 330 or Mark IV. Where’s the Ferrari 512?!? But hey let’s get a transit van into the mix, that’ll make people happy. I know you can’t please everybody but we’ve got the samba bus for the odd joke race here and there. Simply put if GT8 was SUVs, mini vans, transit vans and big rigs and nothing else, hardly anybody would buy that game.

Funny you should mention this. I owned a Datsun 260Z, and saw myself selling it to buy back the car I sold to buy the Z in a first place. Not a crossover, but a SUV. A 2013 Nissan X-Trail 71° North Edition. Upgrade from my 2011 LE model before it, although basically identical except some silver trim and 360° camera + GPS. Both with that gorgeous brilliant white pearl paint.

I don’t regret it at all. The Exxie is such a great car. And with two small kiddos it’s safe. My Z was a 2+2 but I couldn’t possibly drive it with kids. The weather here in Norway is nasty these days. I help people who drive off the road, instead of joining the statistic.

To put it short: I love cars and a huge Nissan enthusiast. But I’m not rich, I need a car I can rely on, and works in all conditions, from driving on pure ice to asphalt, from driving on test tracks to driving my kids to daycare.

When I get rich, see me enter Euro Rally with this car. :lol:
Would you load your kids up into your racing rig to drive GT7? Didn’t think so. I have a truck in real life, I could care less if it’s in GT7. I like my truck, it’s super handy, it’s a nice ride, and helps me do other things I enjoy doing like snowmobiling and dirt biking. But in no way would I like to have it in the game, ever.
 
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Yeah, maybe there are people who would enjoy this car in terms of "I'll build a sleeper out of it!" but that is niche.
You make it sound like that sort of thing isn't what helped set GT apart from every other racing game when it initially launched. Sure there's plenty of other things, but being able to race run of the mill cars along with the typical racing game fare was very much part of the appeal.
 
Thing is, small cars were popular, station wagons were popular, but those have faded. There are some new small cars being made, but SUVs are pretty much here to stay. Many can match performance sedans in acceleration. Some can match sport sedan handling. I don’t think Kaz is looking to flood a GT game with SUVs. I think Forza have a good amount of SUVs in its games.

Would make sense to include performance SUVs from Audi, BMW, Dodge, Porsche, Ford, MINI, Hyundai, Toyota/Gazoo Racing, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc. That’s not a lot in a list of 500 cars.
We can see there aren’t a plethora of B segment cars like past GT games. We may only get a few, like the amount of pick up trucks we have now.
 
Paraphrasing: "we could put a motorcycle in GT7 any time and it would work perfectly, but we would want to develop a saddle and handlebar controller before making TT2"
Why?! If you can, just do bikes without the peripheral, even if you just throw onebike into GT7 as a novelty/testbed. PD has demonstrated for years that they do the best controller controls in the racing game market, and in the same interview Kaz expressed disappointment with the prohibitive cost of niche, official wheels.

Tourist Trophy from '06 gives just as much feedback and sensation through a controller, if not more, than TTIOMRotE2 from 2020.
Even if they made a compact tabletop bike controller, it'd still cost $350+ and be used by 3% of players at best, so give bikes to the masses first, then worry about the perfect controller. Right stick for throttle, tough adaptive trigger for front brakes and a shoulder button to tuck in will still work just fine, forever.
 
I wrote the article and did the translation - and wrote that the translations won't be perfect. I know what's in there.
Please accept my humble apologies for being so stupid.

Can I ask am I so wrong for wanting to see more of the vintage race cars that I grew up with like the 1960-80s F1 types?
 
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Citing snow as an example. Unfortunately disabilities don't melt away, and aren't around for just two weeks of the year (in the UK, on average).

Blue badge holders (that being people registered as disabled in the UK, with disabilities that qualify them for the blue badge scheme that permits parking charge and certain parking condition exemptions, for either themselves or a vehicle in which they are travelling) account for around 8% of the UK's driving population: 2.35 million among a driving population of approximately 29 million. Disability among drivers in the UK is thus roughly four times more common than snow.

While not exclusively the case, SUVs allow them to retain a semblance of independence and normality more than any other car type. You can put whatever in them (including power wheelchairs) and go places, without having to rely on the help of strangers. And after all, cars are and always have been about the freedom to go wherever you want and do whatever you want when you're there; people with disabilities want that too.

And I'm also unhappy to report that - as someone who has 17 years on you and spent most of the period from your birth until your adulthood playing unwise field sports while having an undiagnosed hypermobility condition resulting in the comprehensive destruction of my hips, knees, and ankles so that some days I have to hold onto the walls to walk to my office on the other side of a 25-foot wide house but does not have a registered disability - with age comes a certain incompatibility with cars you have to plummet into and climb back out of.

When you reach your 40s (if you're unlucky), 50s, and 60s, a car seat where the hip point meets your ass height in a standing position is hard to overrate. And old people are a lot more common than snow.


I agree, for people with less physical atributes, a SUV is a fine option, but still doesn't mean it's the best or that it is the only available choice, Minivans also exist and there's station wagons that have the seating position almost on level with mid-sized SUVs these days. SUVs bring many other disadvantages with them such as:


And this list surprisingly doesn't mention cost, which is also one of the downsides of an SUV, with the current economy and probable recession we in the EU (maybe even worldwide) are going to face, this isn't looking good at all. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes to build them as well.

Your comparison with supercars made before I found it silly because of one reason. Supercars aren't produced by the tens or hundresd of thousands or even millions and are not for the common citizen.
Most supercars don't even reach the 10 thousand mark of production, and those are machines for the rich people to have money to spent, and us common folk to appreciate and they are also cars that you can have your fun on a track, it's a niche car, for a niche number of people. Not to mention the pleasure of driving them, not that I have driven many, but I've driven a 2019 M2 competition (not even a full fledged supercar, but a more affordable sports car) for a few tens of kms on a nice propper road and it was legit one of the most pleasurable drives I've had in my life, better than whatever Porsche Cayenne or Macan I drove (top of the line SUVs) which I did daily on the place I've worked previously. The Panamera and Taycan were also much, much better and comfortable rides as well in comparison.
So even if they have a large fuel consumption or other disadvantages, they won't make a dent due to their low production numbers compared to SUVs.

On your case however I can understand your stance with SUVs being, I won't say "essential" but "needed". But they are definitely a problem on the grand scheme of things.

Heck, just look at the electric cars. They already suffer with range (and handling) due to them being heavy by nature... yet manufacturers go: "now let's make them an SUV"... like... *facepalm

Money talks... Which is why I say this type of car nowadays is just a car for "sheeple" and the people that would actually benefit from them (such as disabled people) rarely are in them, in fact, all of the blue badge parking spaces near my home and pretty much at whatever place I look into the city is mostly sedans/saloons with the ocasional wagon/hatchback... ... and now that I'm typing this, I can't even remember the last time I saw an SUV with the blue badge.

At the end of this, the problem isn't really SUVs... but the people.
 
Both of my parents (separated) have SUV's for the exact reason @Famine mentions about seat height, and they are both motoring enthusiasts like me as well (my dad raced speedway stock cars, mudpluggers and boats).
Kaz saying SUV in the same sentence as car enthusiast confuses me. I'm not faulting SUV's (apart from the conspicuous consumption performance and high luxury models that will likely end up in the game...:rolleyes:) but if I ever bought one, it wouldn't be because I'm a car enthusiast, which I am, it'll just be for their added practicality.

I suppose they're a part of modern culture and need to be included in GT7 but I can't say I'm looking forward to throwing one around or even looking at.
 
I suppose they're a part of modern culture and need to be included in GT7 but I can't say I'm looking forward to throwing one around or even looking at.
Understandable. I mean, BOXY SUVs? I can see the appeal...

But then I look at these hideous creatures:

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And now on top of the already existing problems of being SUVs, they pretty much lose all of their practicality with the sloped roof and let's be honest, look far uglier than before with the lines of the car just being all over the place.
And remember, lots of people buy this stuff... If they are not sheeple, what are they?

EDIT: I didn't post the Nissan Juke (F15) because I don't want to make people bleed from their eyes. :) Yet another car SUV/Crossover I can't explain how it was sold by the bucketloads and was horrible in every single way, and I know because I drove, repaired and cleaned thousands of these.
 
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It seems that Kaz has never been to cars and coffee, because I don't see any SUV's. Unless you count a Hummer as one. How can he say that car enthusiasts are buying and taking out SUV's? The only people I see driving "performance" SUV's are yobbos who aren't car enthusiasts but rather clout seekers.
 
Car enthusiasm is just liking cars. If people really like cars, they’ll buy anything…. for well, the enthusiasm of liking cars. Car enthusiasts buy SUVs. What’s hard about that?

Edit: Okay, just a small rant. Me and my bIg Brother. We’ve owned sporty cars and we’r car enthusiasts. He’s owned a Lancia Zagato, TT, Macan Turbo, E30 M3, Fox body and current Gen Mustang GT. Currently, has a Harley and BMW motorcycle. His daily is a used Tundra. No sports car in sight. He’s still a car enthusiast.

I had a Saab Turbo, several VWs(one with a VR6 conversion), 455cid Cutlass, EP3 Si, my avatar, an Odyssey, ‘83 Corona and I currently drive my wife’s Mazda 2. I’m still a car enthusiast. That’s all it is.
 
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I dont understand the critism with SUVs in Gran Turismo. We've had them in the past, hell we even have pickup trucks in the game. Besides there are lots of boring ugly cars in the world and we've had those in Gran Turismo also. It's also one of the reasons why I enjoy the GT series so much, the contrast in car selection.
 
It seems that Kaz has never been to cars and coffee, because I don't see any SUV's. Unless you count a Hummer as one. How can he say that car enthusiasts are buying and taking out SUV's? The only people I see driving "performance" SUV's are yobbos who aren't car enthusiasts but rather clout seekers.
Because I'm sure all those influencers/celebrities that constantly post selfies with supercars are like totes driving enthusiasts and don't just have the cars because of them being a status symbol (for the record I'm fine with using supercars as props, at least they are being used for something)...

This pointless gatekeeping does nothing but ensure the sales of those supposedly horrible SUV's keep increasing because nobody will want to join a group that limits what you are allowed to like and talked down to if you dare like something different. So yeah, good job ensuring the future is black, silver or white SUV's... I guess.
 
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For some people with disabilities it is much easier to get into and out of an SUV than a regular car,
Fixed that for you.

I hear this line trotted out often enough it's slightly annoying.

My wife also has a disability and simply can't lift her legs high enough to get into pretty much any vehicle higher than a regular car. That said she is also short.
We drive a wagon (estate) because I can get her powered wheelchair in the back without dismantling it.

Our next car purchase will be soon because she won't be able to lift her legs at all into a car. It will be a Kia Carnival as it will be modified for the chair to be driven into.
I'm also a car enthusiast and couldn't think of anything less desirable but as you mention it's the same with your SUV, it serves a purpose. Every car I've bought in the past 30 years served a purpose and wholeheartedly agree with you on how a SUV is perfect for some.

I will never understand why some dislike them so much. My only gripe with SUV's are they are harder to see around coming out of a car park and that's certainly not exclusive to SUV's.
 
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It seems that Kaz has never been to cars and coffee, because I don't see any SUV's. Unless you count a Hummer as one. How can he say that car enthusiasts are buying and taking out SUV's? The only people I see driving "performance" SUV's are yobbos who aren't car enthusiasts but rather clout seekers.
Interesting. So, is my buddy a complete yobbo for preferring to collect & modifying these old pickups/SUVs when he has record-setting Vipers in his stable?
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Keep in mind he's also added a 991.2 Turbo S back into his garage & has a car history spanning a Ford GT, Gallardo, multiple CTSVs, 2x 1000+whp Supras, NSX, & other American sports cars. Sounds like a genuine car enthusiast to me, but I'll have to tell him the fascination with the pickups/SUVs in addition means he's probably a clout seeker & not just a giant performance junkie.

Edit* The elitism at times is truly fascinating. I wonder if it's influenced by people's regions they're in & a lack of access to certain cars. Because in the US, I can definitely visit a Cars & Coffee and see a wide arrangement of vehicles.
 
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I'm okay with SUVs and Trucks being added, I just hope they don't go overboard with it like what happened with Forza Motorsport 7's DLC. Heck, I would welcome more trucks if it meant my favorite sport truck returning, the Ford F150 SVT Lightning. Well that, plus the GMC Syclone, Dodge Dakota R/T, Dodge Ram SRT-10, Toyota Tacoma X-Runner, Chevrolet C/K 454 SS, Chevy Silverado SS, etc.

My only problem is that Kaz mentions he wants to focus on cars for newer enthusiasts, but we barely seen any of the newer cars. This is something he should've been focusing on when developing GT7. Not just SUVs, but the hot hatchbacks, sedans, wagons, race cars, hypercars, supercars, and regular cars.
 
Kaz saying SUV in the same sentence as car enthusiast confuses me. I'm not faulting SUV's (apart from the conspicuous consumption performance and high luxury models that will likely end up in the game...:rolleyes:) but if I ever bought one, it wouldn't be because I'm a car enthusiast, which I am, it'll just be for their added practicality.
I'm a true car enthusiast too, so much so that I own a car I can't even drive but I just can't bring myself to sell it, and yes practicality plays a small part, but neither of my two other cars need the engines they have in them to be practical. In fact I'd argue that 3.6 litre 190kw boxer engine in the Outback is the stupid choice for that car, but it's a helleva lot of fun. The same goes for the 6.2 litre 410kw supercharged engine in my 30th Anniversary HSV R8 LSA Tourer (the fastest, most powerful station wagon ever produced in Australia), it's just bonkers.

All of my cars are cars for enthusiasts and all have completely sane versions of these cars. I don't think that any of the family grocery getter/taxi versions of these cars would suit any racing game but the cars I own would all suit GT/Forza games, including the Outback.
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I suppose they're a part of modern culture and need to be included in GT7 but I can't say I'm looking forward to throwing one around or even looking at.
Things might be a bit different over where you are but we have a lot of places to throw them around...
Edit: These two ex race driver car enthusiasts both own SUV's. Russel Ingall owns a Ford Ranger Rapter and Paul Morris states that his Ram is the best vehicle he's ever owned.


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Interesting. So, is my buddy a complete yobbo for preferring to collect & modifying these old pickups/SUVs when he has record-setting Vipers in his stable?
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Keep in mind he's also added a 991.2 Turbo S back into his garage & has a car history spanning a Ford GT, Gallardo, multiple CTSVs, 2x 1000+whp Supras, NSX, & other American sports cars. Sounds like a genuine car enthusiast to me, but I'll have to tell him the fascination with the pickups/SUVs in addition means he's probably a clout seeker & not just a giant performance junkie.

Edit* The elitism at times is truly fascinating. I wonder if it's influenced by people's regions they're in & a lack of access to certain cars. Because in the US, I can definitely visit a Cars & Coffee and see a wide arrangement of vehicles.
OK OK those cars are cool and I totally appreciate them but a I see a lot of yobbos driving modern "performance" SUV's around my city. Sorry if it sounded like a blanket statement but a lot of delinquents, such as drug and crime bosses, drive them. At least some people, such as Adrian Portelli, has the balls to show off his Aventador SVJ. I'm not saying I'm elitist, I'm merely stating the reality. Also, I do see trucks at cars and coffee, such as these:
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