Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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BigSarj
I love the Hitman trilogy. Some of the best gaming out there. Always online sucks but at least you could still play out the missions. It just wouldn't save your progress.
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I meant more in the line of endless replay of the same mission over and over while waiting for the next episode to release. That killed it for me. I love Hitman but the focus on "endless replayability" killed it for me. Worse than any grind in any GT. Still haven’t played Hitman 3
 
Lion-Face
I don't know, I haven't gotten there yet. I'm at Café menu 20 with more than 2 million credits earned. So I was assuming I would have at least double with the better pay-outs on the way up.
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You assumed correctly. It's probably still quite a bit more than that 5 million mark even with the credit drops... not that I agree with the drops.

I've earnt over 6 million so far with a fairly, what I would call standard type play through and still haven't finished Licence Tests, hardly started Circuit Experience and haven't completed all the races yet. I have had a lot of clean race bonuses though.

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And no grinding of Fisherman's Bay (no grinding at all actually), I missed the boat on that one. :(

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Siggesvag
I can understand people being upset about always online and then the servers going offline but MTX? I have done the license tests, missions and the cafe stuff and I have over a hundred cars but only used maybe 10 of them so far and only tuned and costomized three. This is not a sprint race, have some patience if it is like GT Sport there will be years of updates, tracks and cars. It is not pay to win because you can't have all cars at once...
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Posts like this are missing the point, and are also the reason why developers consistently get away with releasing unfinished games with promise of it being finished "soon".

This game, is the shortest Gran Turismo ever released bar PSP. It would take more time to complete GT5: Prologue! A glorified demo! People are not asking to have all the cars at once (although more than 10 in arcade mode/split screen wouldn't be a bad thing(. People want more actual game, there isn't enough game here. Gran Turismo isn't a game that should be completable in a week, it just shouldn't, no racing game worth £70 should be.

Grid 2019 was absolutely berated for it's lack of content and still had more events and took longer to finish than GT7. Yeah you're right, it's not a sprint race, it's barely even a practice session as far as a complete game goes.

And people need to stop defending this strategy.
 
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Looks like that people are cringinly overreacting way too hard about it. Looks like you never saw any Gran Turismo being released with some problems and fixing them on the go, with extra content montly.


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And an unpopular oppinion: Polyphony Digital never was a mastermind when the issue is related to carreer progression. Never. You wont find it in GT1, nor GT2, nor GT3, barely not in GT4, and it got worse in GT5 and GT6. The shorthanded event content, the progression mechanics, the immersion feel, the grinding spots to farm ingame money... always been there. There are several games with less atractive gameplay, but at least they delivers much more when the game is related to game progression.

Examples:
  • Tokyo Xtreme Racer Drift 2
  • NFS Pro Street
  • Most of the (RIP) Codemasters games
  • ...
 
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MagpieRacer
Posts like this are missing the point, and are also the reason why developers consistently get away with releasing unfinished games with promise of it being finished "soon".

This game, is the shortest Gran Turismo ever released bar PSP. It would take more time to complete GT5: Prologue! A glorified demo! People are not asking to have all the cars at once (although more than 10 in arcade mode/split screen wouldn't be a bad thing(. People want more actual game, there isn't enough game here. Gran Turismo isn't a game that should be completable in a week, it just shouldn't, no racing game worth £70 should be.

Grid 2019 was absolutely berated for it's lack of content and still had more events and took longer to finish than GT7. Yeah you're right, it's not a sprint race, it's barely even a practice session as far as a complete game goes.

And people need to stop defending this strategy.
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If it's a decision that was made inside Polyphony Digital, then Polyphony Digital is not fit for purpose.
 
I'm really tired so I hope I didn't post this again, but remember, the events are already made, we've seen them in that Jimmy Fallon video. Polyphony are artificially delaying content.

I guarantee people will praise that update like the return of Jesus when the Gr.1 races arrive that were already made long ago.
 
jacookie
Remember when they would give you a few thousand credits at the start of the game, enough to buy a small hatchback?
You would enter the Sunday Cup, etc. and win a small amount of credits, enough to buy upgrades to enable you to buy a faster car, which enabled you to enter races with bigger payouts.
And so it continued, until you had the fastest cars in your garage and could enter the highest paying races.

All achieved through a steady progression through the game.
That was the classic Gran Turismo for me.

Paying 150AUD for a game and then having to pay more to access content that's Already In The Game?? Thats just pure greed on PD's part in my opinion.
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No-one has forced anyone to pay more than the game price to access content already in the game. There is a mechanism to do so (and I really don't like microtransactions) but there is no compulsion other than from the person themselves. If you feel like you should have the rarest and highest value cars in the game within two weeks of the game launching, that's something only you can make peace with.

I would prefer there to be more championships and events with higher payouts so that with the time I like putting into the game I can build my garage at a pace I feel is more suitable, but I don't expect any of that within 2 weeks. Some patience is necessary.
 
danardif1
No-one has forced anyone to pay more than the game price to access content already in the game. There is a mechanism to do so (and I really don't like microtransactions) but there is no compulsion other than from the person themselves. If you feel like you should have the rarest and highest value cars in the game within two weeks of the game launching, that's something only you can make peace with.

I would prefer there to be more championships and events with higher payouts so that with the time I like putting into the game I can build my garage at a pace I feel is more suitable, but I don't expect any of that within 2 weeks. Some patience is necessary.
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Say the "two weeks" bs one more time. Please. It never gets old.
 
AutumnalGlow
I'm really tired so I hope I didn't post this again, but remember, the events are already made, we've seen them in that Jimmy Fallon video. Polyphony are artificially delaying content.

I guarantee people will praise that update like the return of Jesus when the Gr.1 races arrive that were already made long ago.
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If they even dare posting it in an optimistic manner with zero acknowledgement outside of an unlisted apology statement on their (poorly designed) website, then this is the first thing everyone is going to see in the comments and replies:

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SoapMacLavish
Who is saying that we need everything, right now?

I'll wait.

Edit: We just want to be rewarded fairly for the time that we are putting into the game, not have that kneecapped for seemingly no reason.
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All I'm saying is the game is only 2 weeks old. I have about 150 cars only because I choose to grind for the cars that I had liveries for in GTS. Had the payout for FR not been so high in the first place I probably wouldn't have and been just as happy to progress through the game as normal. I feel that nerf is the cause of much of the outrage people have toward the game right now. As I said PD is aware and I'm sure they have some things planned for the future. Possibly Seasonal Events like which are listed on the back of the box.
 
Chevy Heavy
As I said PD is aware and I'm sure they have some things planned for the future. Possibly Seasonal Events like which are listed on the back of the box.
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Like the game's description on PSN says you can sell cars, and can you? Don't believe everything that's written because we've seen it's not always true.
RacingFan1
sad many people nowadays don't have any patience whatsoever. Kaz is totally right. You just don't finish a GT game in a couple of months
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Nowadays it only takes a week or two.
 
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Tornado
At this point it's legitimately kind of hard to tell if Yamauchi is early career Peter Molyneux (shoots his mouth off about things he really shouldn't talk about at the point in time he's doing so, over promises things to himself and underdelivers constantly but always promises to try harder next time, notes challenges faced and how they will be overcome next time) or later career Peter Molyneux (uses his fame to stifle criticism of him, overpromises about things that will be in his next title because he knows that is enough to get the hype going, says things he knows people will want to hear because he knows that his fans will use his statements to beat down people criticizing him, blames his failings on outside actors that he failed to account for.)
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Honestly, I liken early career Peter Molyneux in the racing space to Ian Bell, at least, before he decided to take his ball and go home when people rightfully called him out for being a lying, cantankerous asshole. Yamauchi is without question later career Molyneux.

And really, I don't think his arrogance and typical ways of operating are able to be done anymore. The emperor has no clothes, and really, it was clear he was running out of creative steam in 2004 after GT4 released - considering how every game barring one has basically been the same game over and over again with basically few worthwhile changes except a further circlejerking of graphical fidelity.

It definitely seems like the age of Kaz having an unfettered reign over his fiefdom is now over. Sony's definitely keeping their eyes on him from now on, and cracking down more on his ideas and whimsy.
 
AutumnalGlow
What? I don't just have to play the game your way. I want to play a singleplayer career. Like the old games. Those roots this game was supposed to be going back to.
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And Kaz don't have to make the game like you want.
Online (Sport mode and lobbies) is a big part of nowadays GTs since GT5, like it or not

Also, completing the basic events you get about 100 cars or so, its ridiculous how much you can do with all those cars.
Never ever in any GT you got so many cars in so little time and some people still cry, its hilarious.
 
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AutumnalGlow
For the millionth time,

Nobody wants everything in 2 weeks. You've made it up, convinced yourself of it. It's the most obnoxious strawman argument that keeps being repeated over and over.
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If it's made up then there's no point getting annoyed about it then...
 
no one's upset that they haven't beaten the game yet or collected all the cars. People are upset that you can beat the single player mode in a rather short period of time and then the single player experience is solely aimlessly collecting credits to buy cars you may or may not need to complete events that could be added in the future.

Also upset is really a strong word for what is going on. If anyone is actually losing sleep on this I think they should get some perspective but people tend to be annoyed when their hobbies don't live up to their expectations.
 
JoaoSilva
People actively discussing Gran Turismo in a, get this... a Gran Turismo forum? Shocking stuff.
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The only bad part is that all the ideas and criticism discussed here never had an effect around Kaz´s decisions. Looks like there is no conection line between here and there.

In the end of the day, its just about getting mad and express yourself to other people also mad about the situation.
 

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