Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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Silver Arrows
It's legitimately amazing how elements of this forum can literally say 'yes please, more' when Kaz straight up lies to their faces and tells them that they are worthless.

Absolutely cucked beyond belief. And if it isn't Polyphony's insistence on making the game's Kaz wants to make to the detriment of literally any other aspect, then it's going to be the fans who consider him some sort of genre seer, instead of the has been designer he truly is.
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I’m more disturbed by the lack of empathy here by those who defend PD to no end. It’s OK to disagree, but attempting to invalidate the feelings of folks on this forum, social media, and those bombing the game on metacritic (a practice I don’t necessarily endorse) is probably a waste of time.

These people are fans. Personally, I remember getting the Gran Turismo Demo disc in the ‘90s.

Those defending PD are fans as well but, to be honest, this looks like a tough hill to die on at the moment. The “wait and see crowd” are only telling me that I shouldn’t have preordered the game and instead should’ve wait until the Fall.
 
RacingFan1
"Oh, no, some people are happy with the game and dont cry and complain"
What is wrong with you?
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In what world is what has transpired since day 1 of general launch 'crying and complaining' about an obviously broken, monetized to hell disaster of a title, helmed by a out of touch figurehead who has no desire to follow the rest of the industry except when it has suited him, followed up by fans who seemingly defend him at any opportunity, even when totally justified as is here?

This has never been about bitching and moaning about not getting enough credits to get the most expensive cars, or young gamers being entitled or whatever stupid as hell excuses types like you use to spin things around and victim blame. This has been taking Polyphony and Kazunori Yamauchi to task about the very things he has said you can do in GT7 - which you invariably cannot do, because of the way that the game (especially now) is designed to railroad players into either grinding to an untenable degree compared to other GT games (as confirmed by Famine on this very site) or forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money on micro-transactions because the game is designed to prey upon people's FOMO.

If you can't clearly see why people are mad, then frankly, you need to get off the copium and start looking around.
 
Lion-Face
Probably a poor choice of words by me, as they probably can't change it as they see fit. Getting a refund when they make drastic changes, sure, this hasn't happened though. I don't remember seeing a selling point on the box being 'obtain the most expensive car in 250 races or less' then 2 weeks later it is now more than 300. You would then have a leg to stand on.

So you were ok with the game taking 5 years to 'complete' but now it is up to 10 its a no go?


I don't know, I haven't gotten there yet. I'm at Café menu 20 with more than 2 million credits earned. So I was assuming I would have at least double with the better pay-outs on the way up.
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Comments from someone about the endgame who hasn't got there yet.

The credit system (before this latest nerf) was still an extremely slow grind to get a bunch of credits and now they have effectively halved it. People are annoyed because the only reason for this is to push people towards overpriced MTX. I read some calculations that others made that suggested something like 3 months of 8hrs a day grinding to collect every car in this game, do you find that acceptable?

Its clear that this games credit system has been designed to slow people down and push them to MTX, I urge you to show a real counter argument for this.
 
BossBattle
I’m more disturbed by the lack of empathy here by those who defend PD to no end. It’s OK to disagree, but attempting to invalidate the feelings of folks on this forum, social media, and those bombing the game on metacritic (a practice I don’t necessarily endorse) is probably a waste of time.

These people are fans. Personally, I remember getting the Gran Turismo Demo disc in the ‘90s.

Those defending PD are fans as well but, to be honest, this looks like a tough hill to die on at the moment. The “wait and see crowd” are only telling me that I shouldn’t have preordered the game and instead should’ve wait until the Fall.
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100% agree. A lot of the pushback to the criticism of the game has been to insult the people making the criticisms rather than to make statements in support of the game.
 
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"At the same time the pricing of cars is an important element that conveys their value and rarity, so I do think it’s important for it to be linked with the real world prices." - K. Yamauchi

Not everything that happens in the real world translate well to game mechanics. In their current states the UCD and LCD are detrimental to the experience. You have 25 years experience, certainly you of all people would understand. Or maybe you just forgot because you're too busy chasing that MTX money and giving out Gran Turismo awards.
 
HarVee
"At the same time the pricing of cars is an important element that conveys their value and rarity, so I do think it’s important for it to be linked with the real world prices." - K. Yamauchi

Not everything that happens in the real world translate well to game mechanics. In their current states the UCD and LCD are detrimental to the experience. You have 25 years experience, certainly you of all people would understand. Or maybe you just forgot because you're too busy chasing that MTX money and giving out Gran Turismo awards.
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we only want reality that is bad for the consumer's wallets. You can't share cars between players, rent cars for a track day, or have realistic tire prices.
 
ruggermole
100% agree. A lot of the pushback to the criticism of the game has been to insult the people making the criticisms rather than to make statements in support of the game.
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Because really, what else can those types of people do? It's been made clear that Kaz knows what is going on and doesn't care enough to walk back on it meaningfully, he's been lying about content in his games and his actions for years, the games since GT4 have been various forms of a grease fire at launch and ultimately weren't very good when broken down to brass tacks, and so many different developers, big and small, within the racing game space have surpassed Polyphony in terms of graphical might, gameplay, and simulation elements.

All Kaz and Polyphony have is their name and the fervent fanbase that GT still has, which has now been pissed away with two weeks of bad moves, and a **** storm that is not going away any time soon. Which now leaves only the hardcore who believe that Kaz himself will award them with a medal for their valiant defense of himself on an internet forum.
 
RacingFan1
"Oh, no, some people are happy with the game and dont cry and complain"
What is wrong with you?
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I believe you were the one who forced yourself into the conversation with brilliant chestnuts like this:
RacingFan1
So sad many people nowadays don't have any patience whatsoever.
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RacingFan1
And Kaz don't have to make the game like you want.
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RacingFan1
Go play online then
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Statements that have been foolish strawman nonsense in the context of this series for over a decade now when most of the people at least want to have the game that they were told was coming, if not "the game like (they) want." But since what you're actually arguing is "I don't like that people are upset about something they were told would happen because it doesn't affect me so it annoys me to hear it," I'm sure you know that you're spouting crap and just hope people won't call you on it.





Now, I don't know about some of the other people in this thread, but I've been waiting 10 years longer than you've been a member on this forum for a game that lives up to the promises that were made even for GT5 (which, fair play for PD, they eventually got into a state that was fairly close before throwing all of it out with GT6). Is that not enough patience for your tastes? Or would you like to repeat more dumb stuff people were saying on this forum before joining it was even a twinkle in your eye?
 
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If the GT series from 5 up to before 7's launch Nebraska football, where nostalgia to get away from the reality of the series was the order of the day, where are we at now, Auburn football where drama is top of mind?
 
BossBattle
I’m more disturbed by the lack of empathy here by those who defend PD to no end. It’s OK to disagree, but attempting to invalidate the feelings of folks on this forum, social media, and those bombing the game on metacritic (a practice I don’t necessarily endorse) is probably a waste of time.

These people are fans. Personally, I remember getting the Gran Turismo Demo disc in the ‘90s.

Those defending PD are fans as well but, to be honest, this looks like a tough hill to die on at the moment. The “wait and see crowd” are only telling me that I shouldn’t have preordered the game and instead should’ve wait until the Fall.
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I suspect a lot of people that might have good things to say about the game are simply staying away, boiling a saucepan full of diarrhoea is more pleasant than GTP in times like these.
 
ruggermole
100% agree. A lot of the pushback to the criticism of the game has been to insult the people making the criticisms rather than to make statements in support of the game.
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Why are you editing my post? I didnt say any of that. So lame
Edit: you quoted the wrong guy and put my name on it?
Silver Arrows
In what world is what has transpired since day 1 of general launch 'crying and complaining' about an obviously broken, monetized to hell disaster of a title, helmed by a out of touch figurehead who has no desire to follow the rest of the industry except when it has suited him, followed up by fans who seemingly defend him at any opportunity, even when totally justified as is here?

This has never been about bitching and moaning about not getting enough credits to get the most expensive cars, or young gamers being entitled or whatever stupid as hell excuses types like you use to spin things around and victim blame. This has been taking Polyphony and Kazunori Yamauchi to task about the very things he has said you can do in GT7 - which you invariably cannot do, because of the way that the game (especially now) is designed to railroad players into either grinding to an untenable degree compared to other GT games (as confirmed by Famine on this very site) or forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money on micro-transactions because the game is designed to prey upon people's FOMO.

If you can't clearly see why people are mad, then frankly, you need to get off the copium and start looking around.
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:lol:

Screw the rest of the industry. Its about what do you want to do, not to copy what others do.
If Kaz had followed the rest of the industry we would've never had GT1 in the first place.
Grow up and get some patience, it's only a game. As another suggestion, might have some social life while you wait for the next update, its always good
 
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RacingFan1
Screw the rest of the industry. Its about what do you want to do, not to copy what others do.
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Kaz has literally never been able to catch up to the fact that other developers, specifically one that has just as many resources as he does and is also a first party studio, managed to beat him at his own game making abilities and managed to shift people onto the other console and other game series for a good chunk of the seventh generation. That also trickled down to the fans, who for the first time in the series' history, were the underdogs. And they hated it. They still hate it today, even when the competition has changed to the general racing game industry, and Kaz/Polyphony's thrashing to the changing tides of the racing game industry has left them hopelessly outclassed in most areas aside from graphics, and indirectly caused this entire mess to begin with.

But like Tornado said, this is all coming from some jabroni who has no self-awareness and basically is trying to victim blame people who have actual misgivings on what Kazunori Yamauchi said himself was the objective of the game, which he has now made it significantly harder to do so, and has also made it incredibly clear it's to be done in the service of a predatory micro-transactions system which is increasingly clear was his own doing, considering it had been done two times before, in the preceding two games, including the last one where he lied about it and added it in months after launch because it allowed an easy way to test the waters for the implementation of MTX's in their next game.
 
RacingFan1
Why are you editing my post? I didnt say any of that. So lame
Edit: you quoted the wrong guy and put my name on it?
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Your post was above his. I hit the wrong reply button and while trying to fix it things got scrambled and I didn't notice.
 
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Silver Arrows
Kaz has literally never been able to catch up to the fact that other developers, specifically one that has just as many resources as he does and is also a first party studio, managed to beat him at his own game making abilities and managed to shift people onto the other console and other game series for a good chunk of the seventh generation. That also trickled down to the fans, who for the first time in the series' history, were the underdogs. And they hated it. They still hate it today, even when the competition has changed to the general racing game industry, and Kaz/Polyphony's thrashing to the changing tides of the racing game industry has left them hopelessly outclassed in most areas aside from graphics, and indirectly caused this entire mess to begin with.

But like Tornado said, this is all coming from some jabroni who has no self-awareness and basically is trying to victim blame people who have actual misgivings on what Kazunori Yamauchi said himself was the objective of the game, which he has now made it significantly harder to do so, and has also made it incredibly clear it's to be done in the service of a predatory micro-transactions system which is increasingly clear was his own doing, considering it had been done two times before, in the preceding two games, including the last one where he lied about it and added it in months after launch because it allowed an easy way to test the waters for the implementation of MTX's in their next game.
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Kaz most likely doesnt care about your opinion, and he cares even less about an opinion of a forza fan (I'm not saying you are one)
 
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Betting odds on Gran Turismo 8 being a fremium iOS exclusive? I'm calling it now.

Call it Gimp Turismo because that's clearly what Kaz Yamauchi thinks of his fans.
 
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RacingFan1
Kaz most likely doesnt care about your opinion, and he cares even less about an opinion of a forza fan (I'm not saying you are one)
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Are you his spokesperson ? This statement isn’t even fair to Kaz. Anyone who “doesn’t care” about customer opinions doesn’t deserve customers. You never become “too big” to worry about these concerns.
 
RacingFan1
He does care about real fans who appreciate what he does instead of complaing about everything
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Passionate discontent/disappointment shows love more than blind adoration. Those who really care want to see your best self. Silence is more concerning. That means you’ve lost someone.

Not saying you don’t care, but you’re misunderstanding this entire situation.
 
BossBattle
Are you his spokesperson ? This statement isn’t even fair to Kaz. Anyone who “doesn’t care” about customer opinions doesn’t deserve customers. You never become “too big” to worry about these concerns.
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Read his statement again. He has a point. But no. Regardless, you can never please anyone. No matter what you do in life there will be someone who disapproves you, and/or complains about everything.

Also, some other who have an agenda and are hidden behind "unsatisfied fans" mask where in reality they may be something else, I'm not pointing at anyone here, just an observation.

And I'll leave this here, this is my last message for now. I have better things to do, I know how this forum works. :D
 
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