Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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For me games should be more than a month, racing games can be played for months in my opinion as long as it get supported, i am in there becouse my love for cars, more so than the racing itself, story based game might only be played for a couble of weeks, but considering how long it takes for games to come out this days a month of playing is just not going to be enough in my opinion, gran turismo games can be played for years with supported content, but it also depends of what kind of player you are too, of you just race and do career stuff the game will end quickly, i do all my testing with cars and tune them along with the other stuff so i can easily play gran turismo 7 for months to come and even years, but i am going to take break here and then, to jump into dying light 2
The most important thing is you don't need any career or locking if you like racing and cars. I like testing cars and racing, so why waste my time on any career? I just don't care. And I can play it for years because I do the fun. Longevity is not tight to any artificial economy.
 
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That I didn't initially quote it makes no difference at all, your advice was to suck it up and not buy from them in the future.
My advice was to be more careful with one's wallet in the future; whether that means never buying from PD again, not buying games at launch, or whatever else is entirely up to the reader.
I'm specifically referring to the first communication, the one that didn't address peoples complaints, that was put out with an update that made the game economy the worst of any GT title ever. That people continued to review-bomb after that wasn't surprising at all.
Then we simply disagree on the tone and contents of that first letter, and I'm sure there's a million valid factors on either side as to why - all of us being beautiful and unique snowflakes and all of that.
 
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My advice was to be more careful with one's wallet in the future; whether that means never buying from PD again, not buying games at launch, or whatever else is entirely up to the reader.
The context of the conversation was clearly GT7, but feel free to try and retcon it.
Then we simply disagree on the tone and contents of that first letter, and I'm sure there's a million valid factors on either side as to why - all of us being beautiful and unique snowflakes and all of that.
As you are entitled to do, the body of evidence points to a different interpretation for most, as it seems to for PD given the about-face they have done from the actions that accompanied the first letter.
 
There's always one person in these threads who feels the need to have a needlessly drawn out argument with multiple people via a combination of mental gymnastics and confirmation bias on their part . . .
And there's always one leaving pointless passive aggressive bait without having the nards to actually address them, but I'm not what you think I am so you won't get what you're looking for.

Just leave it.

Am I really the only one who remembers Lethal Bizzle?
 
Wins? - Nope
Poles? - Nope
My DR and SR progress? Nope

I for one really liked the news feed and I hoped for more emphasis on that, but it's been somewhat diminished, and nothing social is being tracked.

Likes on liveries? - Nope
Likes on photos? - Nope
How many shares? - Nope
How many scape photos, race photos, etc? - Nope
A lot of that stuff is tracked...

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And there's always one leaving pointless passive aggressive bait without having the nards to actually address them, but I'm not what you think I am so you won't get what you're looking for.

Just leave it.

Am I really the only one who remembers Lethal Bizzle?
Anyone still talking about Lethal Bizzle is 15 years behind the scene . . .
 
It's nice to see that they're actually starting to listen, but frankly all of this is stuff that should have been in the game to begin with. The credit cap, the extra events, the higher payouts. Hell, the higher payouts of online races is something that should have been present in the early days of GT Sport.

More then anything else, the letter doesn't mention at all the removal of micro-transactions, and considering the raising of the credit cap, surely means that they believe they can still nickel and dime players and get people to pay exorbitant amounts of money for real cars. Until that problem gets eliminated, this is simply kicking the can down the road, and I'm surprised more people aren't bringing it up.

Really, this entire saga has proven that Kaz is a habitual liar and one who believes that his fans are not anywhere close to him in terms of the ability to see through his double talk and his lies going back to 2005. Even now, with a two foot putt of a statement, he still manages to miss it and has shown no desire to speak about removing the micro-transactions, which tells me that Polyphony believes and wants it to be a continued presence going forward.
 
Agree. He doesn't want people to play the same race over and over. That's what people do in every game. No different than what I do in GTA V. You find a way to make money and do it over and over. I am retired and still do not have the time to grind for credits on this game no matter how much I like it. It needs to pay out better for races. I will never buy fake money with real money. If I have to do that I will just go to iRacing.
In the week after patch 1.07 my ferrari (7.700.000) and bugatti (2.000.000)invitation expired. I got all the cars and had to buy a tomahawk (1.000.000)too. In total almost 11.000.000 cr. It took me around 16h spread over 6 days. And it wasn't fun but i got em. Too bad there aren't any races that i can use the cars for. I did make some scape photos of the cars but that is it.
 
I played GT1, GTSport and now GT7 so I don't know the full history but I am heartened by Kaz's message. My main fear was that the community's outrage and pleas would go unnoticed and unackowledged. That Kaz has addressed the issues head-on and actually referred directly to grinding and the fact that he doesn't want people to have to do that, speaks to his intentions. I don't think he's stupid. Making direct statements like that in black and white, and not following through with the goods later, sets him up for massive egg on face. So lets see what they deliver.

I agree that they should just immediately increase the payouts on a number of events as that will provide short term relief to their fans. I can't see why they cannot reverse the backward movements they made in the 1.07 update. And then yes I look forward to a longer term implementation that enables us to achieve the 3, 5, and 6 million credit cars in a reasonable time frame, and also a few 20M cars.
My comment from page 3 aged well 😁 Happy days!
 
As of March 8th, Ferrari is no longer delivering to the Russian market, which could translate into some good deals for us in GT7. It also might explain why, to my complete shock, a roulette gave me the LaFerrari instead of the least valuable pile of coins.


”Furthermore, given the ongoing situation Ferrari has taken the decision to suspend the production of vehicles for the Russian market until further notice. We continue to monitor the situation closely and will always respect all rules, regulations and sanctions.”
 
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As of March 8th, Ferrari is no longer delivering to the Russian market, which could translate into some good deals for us in GT7. It also might explain why, to my complete shock, a roulette gave me the LaFerrari instead of the least valuable pile of coins.
What?
 
As of March 8th, Ferrari is no longer delivering to the Russian market, which could translate into some good deals for us in GT7. It also might explain why, to my complete shock, a roulette gave me the LaFerrari instead of the least valuable pile of coins.


”Furthermore, given the ongoing situation Ferrari has taken the decision to suspend the production of vehicles for the Russian market until further notice. We continue to monitor the situation closely and will always respect all rules, regulations and sanctions.”
How does real world events translate into increasing the chances of getting a Ferrari in a roulette spin in a video game? That’s just being lucky.
 
It's nice to see that they're actually starting to listen, but frankly all of this is stuff that should have been in the game to begin with. The credit cap, the extra events, the higher payouts. Hell, the higher payouts of online races is something that should have been present in the early days of GT Sport.

More then anything else, the letter doesn't mention at all the removal of micro-transactions, and considering the raising of the credit cap, surely means that they believe they can still nickel and dime players and get people to pay exorbitant amounts of money for real cars. Until that problem gets eliminated, this is simply kicking the can down the road, and I'm surprised more people aren't bringing it up.

Really, this entire saga has proven that Kaz is a habitual liar and one who believes that his fans are not anywhere close to him in terms of the ability to see through his double talk and his lies going back to 2005. Even now, with a two foot putt of a statement, he still manages to miss it and has shown no desire to speak about removing the micro-transactions, which tells me that Polyphony believes and wants it to be a continued presence going forward.
The message earlier literally said that this is a live service game, MTXs are here to stay and they aren't exactly trying to hide it. They aren't lying to you, they are being pretty upfront that this game is going to be MTX driven to be honest. I appreciate though that this probably wasn't as clear prior or at launch.

We can have a discussion on what a healthier looking MTX model looks like for this game but we are beyond the point of MTXs being removed now. Other games charge MTXs for cosmetics, well it's hard to see how they could implement that in a game that allows players to create custom liveries and race suits. I'm not saying people have to like it or put up with it but this is the business model, we have been told that we will be getting free content in the future and agree with it or not, this is the way Sony and/or PD (but probably Sony based on their recent activities) have decided to fund those future updates.
 
The message earlier literally said that this is a live service game, MTXs are here to stay and they aren't exactly trying to hide it. They aren't lying to you, they are being pretty upfront that this game is going to be MTX driven to be honest. I appreciate though that this probably wasn't as clear prior or at launch.

We can have a discussion on what a healthier looking MTX model looks like for this game but we are beyond the point of MTXs being removed now. Other games charge MTXs for cosmetics, well it's hard to see how they could implement that in a game that allows players to create custom liveries and race suits. I'm not saying people have to like it or put up with it but this is the business model, we have been told that we will be getting free content in the future and agree with it or not, this is the way Sony and/or PD (but probably Sony based on their recent activities) have decided to fund those future updates.
Bad for them because it could destroy the brand.

Current situation: Custom races/online = 50 000 per hour. Expensive cars = 18 000 000. Investment for one already paid car = 360 hours. Hmmm, doesn't look right to me. :D
 
The message earlier literally said that this is a live service game, MTXs are here to stay and they aren't exactly trying to hide it.
They did, considering they withheld MTX's from reviewer copies and only instituted with the general release.

I'm not saying people have to like it or put up with it but this is the business model, we have been told that we will be getting free content in the future and agree with it or not, this is the way Sony and/or PD (but probably Sony based on their recent activities) have decided to fund those future updates.
Once again, Polyphony is a Sony first party studio and one with a large amount of power as well. Why do they need to 'fund' content updates for stuff that should have been in the base game to begin with?

And it really doesn't do anything to prevent them from continuing to 'modulate' the in game economy to bring it back to the level we have been dealing with for the past two weeks. Considering this is also the same company who said that they wouldn't put micro-transactions into GT Sport...and then straight up lied and put them in months later when most outlets stopped giving a **** about the game. So I'm not exactly convinced that they're going to be suddenly altruistic. The only way that happens is if they micro-transactions are removed wholly, considering Polyphony have shown their hand and as long as they are in the game, they will be building the game in order to push people towards micro-transactions, either implicitly as they have shown in this early part of the game's life, or in pushes and nudges like they seem intent on doing.
 
They did, considering they withheld MTX's from reviewer copies and only instituted with the general release.


Once again, Polyphony is a Sony first party studio and one with a large amount of power as well. Why do they need to 'fund' content updates for stuff that should have been in the base game to begin with?

And it really doesn't do anything to prevent them from continuing to 'modulate' the in game economy to bring it back to the level we have been dealing with for the past two weeks. Considering this is also the same company who said that they wouldn't put micro-transactions into GT Sport...and then straight up lied and put them in months later when most outlets stopped giving a **** about the game. So I'm not exactly convinced that they're going to be suddenly altruistic. The only way that happens is if they micro-transactions are removed wholly, considering Polyphony have shown their hand and as long as they are in the game, they will be building the game in order to push people towards micro-transactions, either implicitly as they have shown in this early part of the game's life, or in pushes and nudges like they seem intent on doing.
Seriously, why bother quoting someone if you're just going to edit out the part that already responds to your argument?

Like I said, they weren't as clear about this at launch. Not going to bother saying anything else on that subject because I don't think there's anything else to add. You are arguing with someone who has already agreed that they could have been clearer.

The rest of your post... you seem to be arguing with someone else because I certainly didn't say they were going to be altruistic. Quite the opposite, live service games generally rely on pushing players to spend large amounts of time to earn 'end-game' rewards. Like I said (having to say that again for some reason), this is the business model they have chosen. Is it one that I expect everyone to like? No not at all. I'm not really a fan either as it feels quite limiting at the moment. That opinion could change in the future though, I'd have to see what updates they bring as a key feature of live service games are a long and extensive roadmap of content updates to keep players interested for a longer period of time than normal conventional games.

I don't have Sony's or GT's financial performance figures to hand but I think it's safe to assume that they have their own business reasons to go down this route. GT7 was the 5th largest launch for the series in the UK so I think it's clear that they have reasons to be looking into dreaded so-called 'alternative revenue streams' to secure the franchise's long term future.
 
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You can trust in Kaz because of those people, don't ever forget that. You should be grateful instead of spiteful.
Where did you get spiteful from?

I'm not grateful for the people throwing their toys out of the pram and those review bombing. The latter is damn right disrespectful in my opinion, regardless if you consider it a legitimate form of "protesting".

I'm probably not as far along in the game as most here, so I haven't experienced the need to grind as of yet. I do know however that I'll be playing GT7 likely until the next one comes out and will enjoy the updates PD have planned. I trust Kaz and the team to improve the game over time and there is no rush for me to experience all of it within x amount of hours.
 
They did, considering they withheld MTX's from reviewer copies and only instituted with the general release.


Once again, Polyphony is a Sony first party studio and one with a large amount of power as well. Why do they need to 'fund' content updates for stuff that should have been in the base game to begin with?

And it really doesn't do anything to prevent them from continuing to 'modulate' the in game economy to bring it back to the level we have been dealing with for the past two weeks. Considering this is also the same company who said that they wouldn't put micro-transactions into GT Sport...and then straight up lied and put them in months later when most outlets stopped giving a **** about the game. So I'm not exactly convinced that they're going to be suddenly altruistic. The only way that happens is if they micro-transactions are removed wholly, considering Polyphony have shown their hand and as long as they are in the game, they will be building the game in order to push people towards micro-transactions, either implicitly as they have shown in this early part of the game's life, or in pushes and nudges like they seem intent on doing
This is all extremely valid criticism, however something that needs to be pointed out is that MTX was in GT6 as well and Polyphony Digital did absolutely everything in their power to make them the most fair, redundant and most meme worthy MTX'S in gaming history. If you bought them on 6 you were basically a clown because of how easy it was to get loaded in 6.

Now of course the argument will be made that the most expensive car in 6 was only 20M and we had 250% logon bonuses that we don't have in 7. Obviously the cars will probably go over 20 M as well. However I don't think we should immediately write the game off yet. I think what we are seeing here is Polyphony releasing a game that was definitely very unfinished without the mechanisms in place to obtain those insanely expensive cars. Whether that's intentional or not remains to be seen. Obviously it's an extremely bad look.

However I think another argument that could be made is what if GT7 was delayed like it should've been? Would we have launched to a GT game with 250% logon bonuses and seasonal events? (Even the game case advertises seasonals on the back) Currently I don't see them being able to go any other route eventually with how expensive Hagerty will force them to price cars due to that contractual agreement.

I think we're all in agreement that the game is quite unfinished by the fact no championship requires over a National A, less career races that Sport and the state of online. Yes they did technically "lie to us" about Sport "not having any MTX" but I'd say they implemented them extremely fairly. Almost as much as 6. Every car in that game was obtainable at any time and the grind payouts were pretty generous with the car handicap mechanic, you couldn't outright buy the most expensive cars with MTX either. I managed to get almost every car in Sport by not ever spending 1 extra dime.

So my argument is, could this be all some massive F up logistically? Probably not but it's always a possibility. I think Kazunori's most recent statement is atleast a step in the right direction if not 100% ideal. They atleast now understand that we aren't going to be pushed around or bled dry on a $70 game.

I'm more than happy to stick around and see what'll come of it. Even if I am of the major opinion that the game should've been delayed and was definitely unfinished. Otherwise these problems probably and (hopefully) wouldn't have even be a concern otherwise because we would have had plenty of options to make Cr at a reasonable rate.

My optimistic side is saying that they prioritized game content in the wrong order. Of course none of that is an excuse on why they cut payouts like they did after launch, or didn't disclose MTXs to reviewers. So I 100% agree why people feel the way they do and how it looks. Just trying to stay optimistic for my favorite franchise of all time I suppose.
 
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What I find most odd about this is that Kazunori appears to have really underestimated and misunderstood his fanbase.

He's a car lover, and wants everyone to love cars the same way he does; EXACTLY the same way he does, but everyone is different.
Some play GT because they love 90's Japanese sports cars, others for the German saloons or British luxury cars. Some might like a combination or a focus on a particular brand, Ferrari, Porsche, Mazda. Some might have a preference fro 4WD cars, FR, MR etc.

The fact was, Gran Turismo always felt open in the way that we could enjoy the game how WE wanted, rather than 'drive the cars the game wants you to drive'. There were always 'specific' championships, yes, but it never felt this intrusive or linear. That was always GT's appeal. If Kaz and PD can rediscover that magic that made Gran Turismo, GT, there might be some hope for the future of this game yet. Sadly it'll never acheive the status of "greatest" because of its rocky start.
 
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Sadly it'll never acheive the status of "greatest" because of its rocky start.
Heavy agree on the whole post and especially the part I quoted. It's a shame really all the people the game has already driven away. 4, 5 or 6 has always been too close to call for me on what's "the greatest GT game." So many great memories on all of them it's hard to pick. My how times have changed. Nostalgia is a powerful thing though too.
 
Shame many games now are designed to earn/suck more money from gamers after having bought it already.
Instead of designing a game on thoughtful, interesting, intriguing, fun, challenging, deep, charming, innovative bases.

They'll try screw you over until it fires back at them too much.
 
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As of March 8th, Ferrari is no longer delivering to the Russian market, which could translate into some good deals for us in GT7. It also might explain why, to my complete shock, a roulette gave me the LaFerrari instead of the least valuable pile of coins.


”Furthermore, given the ongoing situation Ferrari has taken the decision to suspend the production of vehicles for the Russian market until further notice. We continue to monitor the situation closely and will always respect all rules, regulations and sanctions.”
Holy **** touch some grass.
 
How does real world events translate into increasing the chances of getting a Ferrari in a roulette spin in a video game? That’s just being lucky.
Kaz said: "At the same time the pricing of cars is an important element that conveys their value and rarity, so I do think it’s important for it to be linked with the real world prices."

Removing Russian buyers from the real world market decreases demand, and so I assume we will see a consequent drop in prices. (yes, a little tongue in cheek)
 
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