Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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My advice was not to do things you intend to do for fun if they're not fun; minor but important distinction.

I will not discredit the reviewbomb entirely for the action here, while I still find the whole affair deeply regrettable, I think that's a sentiment shared even by those who felt it absolutely necessary.

However I think we shouldn't give too much credit to the footstomping, being as the score was still sliding down after Kaz's letter which I took as enough assurance that better things were coming; and here we are with a much firmer picture of just that.

We can all be happier now, and I suppose I can be happy to think at least some good came of this despite it being a horrendous look for the community - the level of discourse in here was horribly low on multiple sides.

I'm smug yes but I'm southern English - it's my natural state of being. I'll still never engage in or endorse a metacritic review bomb.
All this self-proclaimed smugness from someone talking about how they read between the lines of Kaz's apology letter, so "you expected this", & yet seems to have not read, or misread the most recent letter.
Dear Gran Turismo Community,

Thank you for your continued support and feedback on Gran Turismo 7, your voices have not gone unheard. I would like to apologize for the frustration and confusion caused last week with our patch updates which resulted in, not only a server outage but also adjustments to the in-game economy which were made without a clear explanation to our community.

We know that this is not the Gran Turismo experience you expect and we will be making a goodwill gesture in the form of a non-paid credit pack of 1 million Cr. available to those players who may have been affected*. You will see this hit your accounts shortly. Make sure you log into the game before April 25 to claim the credits.

The patch update previously deployed was intended to rectify an issue with inconsistent reward payouts within a part of the World Circuit Events. But, to re-establish the intended equilibrium and provide more accurate rewards based on time investment and completion, it was necessary to recalculate the rewards system as a whole.

To improve the player experience, we will be rolling out a considerable patch in the beginning of April. The number of events will be increased, and we will reestablish the reward system with greater balance throughout the game to benefit all players.
This quite clearly, is a direct response to the community's unhappiness & actions over the last week. Not something for you to weirdly present as, "This was all coming anyway, be patient. See, I was right, I'm so vindicated", which is a hilariously misplaced attitude you've trotted out compared to how you initially argued.

Goodwill gestures, specifically noting the feedback, apologizing for unclear explanations, & implementing the changes the community directly asked for; the community deserves the credit for these changes because the community's voice's are acknowledged for the changes. Not someone pretending to be Nostradamus & act like they knew all of this was coming, but it was everyone else's fault anyway for not doing due-diligence buying a $70 game.

But, I can predict you'll likely respond ("because you don't want to leave me hanging") even though you've repeatedly made the notion that you wanted to bow out of this thread, except when you quickly decided you wanted to participate so you could try & rub something of no link to you, back in people's faces. The simple fact you get upset at people not directly quoting you in their posts (because you know, you wanted people to stop quoting you so you could "fully leave"), making observations about your replies shows you comb over every post in this thread, still looking to re-engage yourself.

So here, I'll even help you out before you flog your own horse with, "Leave it", "Lethal Bizzle", or whatever else because you ultimately think the slightest mention or look in your posts' direction is not allowed when you claim to be done with the discussion.
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Have at it.
 
One curiosity, that just shows how few Cr a player makes after 52 hours of play time, 20 of them while driving, if one does not grind the best events consistently.
The 52 hours is misleading, I leave the game running for hours even when I'm not in the room, and the 20 is probably a bit misleading too since I've spend quite a bit of time just blasting around the Ring in a time trial. I've yet to do most of the missions, and most of the Circuit Experience. I also have 95ish cars. Personally I didn't have much grievance with the economy and the fact it's changing probably won't influence how I interact with the game.
 
As of March 8th, Ferrari is no longer delivering to the Russian market, which could translate into some good deals for us in GT7. It also might explain why, to my complete shock, a roulette gave me the LaFerrari instead of the least valuable pile of coins.


”Furthermore, given the ongoing situation Ferrari has taken the decision to suspend the production of vehicles for the Russian market until further notice. We continue to monitor the situation closely and will always respect all rules, regulations and sanctions.”
You’re very lucky to get the la Ferrari indeed. I played get sport for 400 days thinking I’ll never need to buy it I’ll get it in the roulette lol. Nope ended up buying it
 
We are literally the target audience for their product. If you piss off your target audience by delivering a sub-par game then you’re going to risk losing profits.

Depending on how bad the issues are in the game, you’re always going to get complaints from the community which range from pitchforks to light constructive criticism. It’s up to PD to judge what they want to invest time into changing in the game to satisfy the consumers.

And it’s clear that the more noise people make, the more likely they are to hear the community. Kaz’s new statement proves it

EDIT: to add, they do care what we think and they do care what people are complaining about.. especially if it threatens profits
True.

Who cares they're professionals, they should be only concerned of improving their product or work methods rather than being hurt by scathing comments.
True.

I s'pose I'm a bit old-school in that manners mean a Helluva-lot more to me than most peeps these days.
 
Actually, if this update happened due to our bitching, maybe continuting to bitch about it would be the way to encourage further steps, not showing gratitude as it'd make PD think their work is completely ok by that point. PD and GT's problems are far from only this MTX geared stuff.
When I read the blog from Kaz, I hoped he would let us have event [parameter] options like in GT3/GT4/GT5, but he kept it in GTS so it probably won't change anytime soon, but at least the money grinding part will be reduced.
 
All this self-proclaimed smugness from someone talking about how they read between the lines of Kaz's apology letter, so "you expected this", & yet seems to have not read, or misread the most recent letter.
Everything else I can take, but don't accuse me of not being able to read;
I can't say reviewbombing played 0 role in this, but it's still low and regrettable imo, and impossible to say how much impact it had on the incoming fix. Definitely not none, but definitely not 100%.
I never claimed to have predicted anything like Nostradamus; I said after the first letter I thought fixes would come, that isn't some baseless astrological guess, it was based on the letter, you know, reading.

"This was all coming anyway, be patient. See, I was right, I'm so vindicated", which is a hilariously misplaced attitude you've trotted out compared to how you initially argued.
Well, I thought it was funny, along with a couple of friends, and given I've had my name thru the mud over this where a lot of you are concerned, I won't kick myself for having a laugh. What certain people think of me now won't be undone with a sorry and a backpedal, I believe what I believe.

But, I can predict you'll likely respond ("because you don't want to leave me hanging") even though you've repeatedly made the notion that you wanted to bow out of this thread,
I did but can you not concede that the new "response to fan outrage from Kaz Yamauchi" that appeared overnight after I said that might be fair impetus for me to engage with the thread again? I was done going over the same ground that day, is all...

you quickly decided you wanted to participate so you could try & rub something of no link to you, back in people's faces.
Well yes the day of incessant refusal to read what I was actually saying in favour of making me the avatar for a lot of frustrations rather unrelated to what I was actually arguing about, the constant chiming in of person after person with a very low strike rate on actually trying to understand my point... I did that for my benefit (and a couple of friends, if you can believe I have them), not yours, and considering everyone here has already a very coloured opinion of me, I don't care how you think it looks.

The simple fact you get upset at people not directly quoting you in their posts (because you know, you wanted people to stop quoting you so you could "fully leave"), making observations about your replies shows you comb over every post in this thread, still looking to re-engage yourself.
It's bitchy and it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Believe what you want to believe but I came to this thread to leave my opinion and discuss it. I wanted to leave when I felt that discussion ran its course - people clearly had more to say with me and I was not so busy it would be a massive inconvenience to read the thread (and I had friends in similar states of bafflement alerting me to replies)...

You know, people can engage with a thread however they like within the AUP. In this entire discussion I've tried to remain on topic, I've tried to answer people where they don't understand where I'm coming from. The response is to pile on, attack my character, attack the structure of my arguments, poke me for logical fallacies, and generally jeer in my direction.

In response I continued to engage and made an effort to calm the flames and bring a lighter hearted tone... And all that is is means for ridicule - yet you wonder how, while not wanting to leave the thread to cackle away with my name in their mouth like they've done such a good job destroying the brainless PD shill, I can reach the point where I really don't want to bother going over it all for the 90th time?

But yes, you win, I replied, if only to tell you you're a bitch - I suspect you wrote this post far more for the clout and admiration of your peers than with any actual intent of getting thru to me or engaging me in conversation, which is what bitchy teenage girls do.
 
For about the 20th time, PD/Sony scammed their customers. People have a right to 'footstomp' as much as they like until the game is patched into something actually worth £70. More if they want to restore an ounce of credibility after the **** they've pulled.

There's really not much you need to say here, your choice to consistently try and play down people's issues and mock them has achieved absolutely nothing other than drag these threads through a pointless loop of people banging their heads against a brick wall.
 
Everything else I can take, but don't accuse me of not being able to read;

I never claimed to have predicted anything like Nostradamus; I said after the first letter I thought fixes would come, that isn't some baseless astrological guess, it was based on the letter, you know, reading.


Well, I thought it was funny, along with a couple of friends, and given I've had my name thru the mud over this where a lot of you are concerned, I won't kick myself for having a laugh. What certain people think of me now won't be undone with a sorry and a backpedal, I believe what I believe.


I did but can you not concede that the new "response to fan outrage from Kaz Yamauchi" that appeared overnight after I said that might be fair impetus for me to engage with the thread again? I was done going over the same ground that day, is all...


Well yes the day of incessant refusal to read what I was actually saying in favour of making me the avatar for a lot of frustrations rather unrelated to what I was actually arguing about, the constant chiming in of person after person with a very low strike rate on actually trying to understand my point... I did that for my benefit (and a couple of friends, if you can believe I have them), not yours, and considering everyone here has already a very coloured opinion of me, I don't care how you think it looks.


It's bitchy and it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Believe what you want to believe but I came to this thread to leave my opinion and discuss it. I wanted to leave when I felt that discussion ran its course - people clearly had more to say with me and I was not so busy it would be a massive inconvenience to read the thread (and I had friends in similar states of bafflement alerting me to replies)...

You know, people can engage with a thread however they like within the AUP. In this entire discussion I've tried to remain on topic, I've tried to answer people where they don't understand where I'm coming from. The response is to pile on, attack my character, attack the structure of my arguments, poke me for logical fallacies, and generally jeer in my direction.

In response I continued to engage and made an effort to calm the flames and bring a lighter hearted tone... And all that is is means for ridicule - yet you wonder how, while not wanting to leave the thread to cackle away with my name in their mouth like they've done such a good job destroying the brainless PD shill, I can reach the point where I really don't want to bother going over it all for the 90th time?

But yes, you win, I replied, if only to tell you you're a bitch - I suspect you wrote this post far more for the clout and admiration of your peers than with any actual intent of getting thru to me or engaging me in conversation, which is what bitchy teenage girls do.
You need to chill out man. You are getting out of hand. Have a sip of some of that Kaz Kool-Aid you’ve been drinking.
 
KJF
If PD wanted to release a game with 3 years worth of content then they need to actually put the effort in to do that. Not just sell a free to play game for full price.
Or rather, if PD want 3 years worth of content, they should put 3 years worth of content in, not 3 years worth of grind.

Grinding is a shallow way of increasing longevity of a game with poor content. The reality is it doesn't. People eventually get bored. The marketing trick is to get people to waste money increasing the speed of that grind. But they get just as bored eventually too because they cheated their way to the top, rather than played the game.
 
KJF
There's really not much you need to say here, your choice to consistently try and play down people's issues and mock them has achieved absolutely nothing other than drag these threads through a pointless loop of people banging their heads against a brick wall.
There's such a phrase as "you made your bed, now lie in it". People have a right to their opinion as you said, my opinion has always been that reviewbombing is childish and regrettable; I've been remarkably consistent on this.

I find the assertion I've mocked people a little removed from the truth, too. I've made a fair few firm statements, reviewbombing being for petulant children and all, explained why I think so, and debated all comers on whichever finer points they sought to raise with me. I may have been firm, but I think I've been receptive and open to input. Believe me if I wish to mock someone it will be flagrantly apparent - such as calling McLaren a bitch above, because he was being one.

People engaging with me is their choice. If they don't want to be subject to my responses they shouldn't respond in the first place. Rare is the place on the internet you can disagree with someone's argument and have them not respond, and I don't want to go there.

The only thing that's pointless is engaging in a debate with no desire to do so honestly or fairly, and there are some in this thread who clearly engaged with me for no such reasons (and there are some who did). This last post is aimed at that one particular member I am quoting who was not here for any of the aforementioned lengthy discussion and I don't feel brought anything to the table other than low personal attacks; I have responded in kind.
You need to chill out man. You are getting out of hand. Have a sip of some of that Kaz Kool-Aid you’ve been drinking.
I've been chill man, I live chill - wordy, and prone to essays, but chill - but I won't have my presence in this thread go from "firm dissenting voice" thru "entertaining if stubborn and weird diversion" right to "punching bag" without at least leaving my reasoning; not everyone reading this thread already has their mind made up.

Kaz kool-aid? Please man, I came to Gran Turismo with blinking Sport of all titles - I am more than aware these games have their issues :lol:- the only game studio I'd ever blindly defend with religious fervour is the long-defunct Pandemic Studios. SWBF2, Mercenaries, and Destroy all Humans - now that's strong output.
 
You can revise history all you like, it's pretty clear what you're doing. Acting civil and understanding doesn't really work when it's interlaced with nonsense like 'patience is a virtue' and misplaced arrogance ("hey look I was right guys!").

You'll never be able to engage properly in this thread until you fully understand the opposing argument, reflect on what you've actually said that may have rubbed people up the wrong way, and stopped spinning yourself in knots trying to vindicate it.
 
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KJF
You can revise history all you like, it's pretty clear what you're doing. Acting civil and understanding doesn't really work when it's interlaced with nonsense like 'patience is a virtue' and misplaced arrogance ("hey look I was right guys!").
'Patience is a virtue' is nonsense? I thought it was an incredibly well known proverb dating back to at least the 14th Century. Not sure how I got that one crossed! Just because you don't like the sentiment of something doesn't make it nonsense - patience isn't only the ability to wait, it's how one conducts oneself in waiting; consider that, then go reread my quote in context (if you care to give it the time of day that is, I'm not your boss).

I'm sorry if you didn't see the "the timing on this is vindicating" post for the giant fish hook it was but I can only hang so giant of a flashing arrow on it before it rather defies the point. I still find it funny, and I'd rather be seen as a little lofty and arrogant than childish and self centered, given the choice.
KJF
You'll never be able to engage properly in this thread until you fully understand the opposing argument, reflect on what you've actually said that may have rubbed people up the wrong way, and stopped spinning yourself in knots trying to vindicate it.
You (or anyone else beyond the author of the AUP) don't set the terms of how I "engage properly" in this public thread; a phrase I will here take to mean that you don't think it's possible I disagree with you and those I've argued with, presumably because you don't think I've bothered or it was never my intent to try.

You are completely wrong about that, but no means exist of me proving it to you, which you know well enough. Yes, some of the things I've said have rubbed people the wrong way; if I intended to please everyone I wouldn't post dissenting opinions in a raging dustbin fire of a thread now, would I?

In fact I have engaged in this thread, and was engaged in a discussion, some of it bearable, almost meaningful, and a lot of it the kind of headache inducing rack torture that was exactly what I expected coming in.

Now we have spent all of this morning entirely discussing semantics - I am not acting civil and understanding - I AM civil and understanding, though I'm sure that's an inconvenient truth for you - and I haven't spun myself in any knots, my line of reasoning has always been clear and I've reiterated it several times. Allow me to do so again in the shortest possible terms -

I don't like reviewbombing.

Any other opinion about PD as a company or the state of GT7 you think I hold has either been pinned to me by someone else or, you'll probably find, is in agreement with many of those actively engaged in the reviewbomb.

That you can't contain your bitchiness long enough to wrap your head around any of this simply isn't my problem.

I may be a dead horse at this point but if you keep kicking my corpse I'm liable to really stink the place up.
 
I always wonder, do the people who hate review bombing actively attempt to reverse it, or just seek out places to vent their disliking for it?

I mean, if I don't vote in a General Election I'm kind of pissing in the wind when I try to complain the winner isn't fit for the job, if I couldn't be bothered to vote myself. Lying to myself that my vote wouldn't change anything isn't doing myself any favours either.

When popular media such as video games and movies get review bombed, why don't all the avid supporters and die hard fans club together and create positive reviews. Last I saw it was 8 to 1 Negative to positive.
 
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I always wonder, do the people who hate review bombing actively attempt to reverse it, or just seek out places to vent their disliking for it?
Good question - I suppose I'd answer it with the same answer I receive when asking why people think it's an apportionate response - what other option are they given?

I'm not the kind of person inclined to leave a review on anything for general use, and I'd trust anyone with half a brain to look at GT7 on a 1.5 and say "alright, that's probably been reviewbombed in its lifetime, I should look for more info than a user score" but it is annoying to me that really the only time user score is relevant in anything these days is this kind of protest - I don't think that was the intent behind making the metacritic user score platform.

Regarding a place to vent, I think it's fair to place any comments I or anyone else feels like posting regarding the reviewbomb and Kaz's letters in this thread, given the topic title.

But I think anyone who feels the reviewbomb is wrong has the right to go and correct the record in whatever way they see fit just as people unhappy with the game have a right to have their voices heard, to be nauseatingly clear.

In case anyone is really wondering, no I have not gone and left a 10/10 metacritic score for GT7, I haven't left any review at all - I guess I only try to pee directly into the wind in one place at a time.
 
I always wonder, do the people who hate review bombing actively attempt to reverse it, or just seek out places to vent their disliking for it?
I left a 10/10 yesterday, even though I don't think the game is a 10. Trying to restore a little balance for those giving it a 1 with wildly exaggerated comments like this:

KJF
For about the 20th time, PD/Sony scammed their customers.
 
I left a 10/10 yesterday, even though I don't think the game is a 10. Trying to restore a little balance for those giving it a 1 with wildly exaggerated comments like this:
See that makes sense to me, I like balance in all things in life. If we each took action to balance the score it wouldn't be as low as it is.

Less than 10,000 Metacritic reviews is a pretty insignificant amount when you think about how large a player base GT7 is likely to have over its initial release and life span. Add to that I doubt many of the negative reviews even own the game, let alone are from unique posters (pretty sure a lot of them are from people making alt accounts).

It just strikes me as odd that there isn't a counter movement of positive reviewers when ever review bombing takes place.
 
I don't like reviewbombing.

And yet thanks to all the many people who did it you’re gonna get a better game. And we know, we know, you were sure it was coming anyway, but you’re now gonna get it faster and with improved aspects that likely would never be changed if not for the uproar (selling cars, larger UCD stock, etc).

So why not do the right thing and just thank everyone who moaned? If you liked this franchise as much as them you’d probably have moaned too.
 
It just strikes me as odd that there isn't a counter movement of positive reviewers when ever review bombing takes place.
I think part of the general argument against reviewbombing is that it's childish, disingenuous and needlessly extreme so for a reasonable person to then go and do basically the exact thing would undercut it somewhat.

I feel the point is to leave a review of the game, and not fly through the form as fast it allows you to leave a 1/10 so you can carry out your protest. My point has always sort of rested on the notion that if you look with objective eyes at GT7 just visually for one minute you couldn't reasonably say it has zero value or is worthy of 1/10 as a serious review. By the same token, I don't think GT7 is a 10/10... So it wouldn't feel very genuine of me to go and review it as such, just like I'm sinking the same level I'm complaining about.

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And yet thanks to all the many people who did it you’re gonna get a better game. And we know, we know, you were sure it was coming anyway, but you’re now gonna get it faster and with improved aspects that likely would never be changed if not for the uproar (selling cars, larger UCD stock, etc).

So why not do the right thing and just thank everyone who moaned? If you liked this franchise as much as them you’d probably have moaned too.

@Nagaremono that on the end there gave me a right chuckle. We are a long way from anything reasonable if we are seriously suggesting I didn't complain because I don't like the game/GT franchise as much as you.

As for thanking those who reviewbombed for getting me an update... Once again again again, I have said I will not credit the reviewbomb for the April update, and neither will I entirely discredit it. That's in this thread for you to read in plain English, and I believe I've re-quoted it too.

Now you have the smell of dead horse in your throat, was it worth the couple of flogs?
 
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'Patience is a virtue' is a statement obviously intended to illegitimise complaints. Again, you can twist yourself in knots trying to vindicate it, and attempt to gaslight people all you like into thinking you are being genuine, but it's easy to see through.

If your intentions were to put forward your case against review bombing then you've done a pretty poor job of it. Starting off the task with calling people short sighted petulant children was your first mistake, and you continued to put your foot in your mouth from then on.
 
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Ok, one of you has to be the bigger person. It’s clear that you aren’t going to find common ground.

Regardless of which side of the fence you are on, the recent announcement is a victory for everyone. The announced changes will be a net positive for all players.

I keep hearing about a “dead horse”. You went from the horse to the chickens, pigs, and finally Old Macdonald himself.

“Can’t we all just get along?”

Let’s move on! 😁
 
If you really came to the series with Sport, not a main-series numbered title, I can kinda see why you’re not getting it.

For many of the people that played and loved the earlier titles, 7 is a jarring letdown. That should be obvious to you. And they have their voice. Respect that.
I played GT1 through GT4, then came back to it with Sport.

I thoroughly enjoy GT7. I also know several people who are long time fans of the series who are also enjoying it. So while it's true that there are a fair few of you who are discontent I don't think it's reasonable to draw any conclusions about old fans being let down and new fans liking it.
 
You know, people can engage with a thread however they like within the AUP.
That includes you!
But yes, you win, I replied, if only to tell you you're a bitch
Don't cite it if you don't intend to follow it, that covers you and all of the members posting in this thread. And those that don't follow it are liable to find moderation action taking place.

Do not mistake this for a discussion or debate, it's not, it's an instruction.
 
I played GT1 through GT4, then came back to it with Sport.

I thoroughly enjoy GT7. I also know several people who are long time fans of the series who are also enjoying it. So while it's true that there are a fair few of you who are discontent I don't think it's reasonable to draw any conclusions about old fans being let down and new fans liking it.

Similar to me. Played 3 and 4 to death, then back to Sport (when it was already old).

I agree. I’m sure many who played earlier games are happy with 7 like you. If what I liked most about the games was ‘just driving’ or ‘custom races’ or ‘scapes’ or whatever I’d probably not be that bothered either. Many aren’t happy though, and the constant stream of criticism, ‘don’t complain’, ‘don’t be a baby’, ‘don’t be a bully’, from the same few accounts here is insulting. Especially when they’re unable to write concisely into the bargain.

What is undeniable from Kaz’s Latest statement is that the protests have had an effect. We’ll never know how much; how much of future changes were planned or will be done because of the protests, but the protests have worked, that’s undeniable, and everyone will get an improved game as a result, including people who didn’t complain, including people who complain about the complainers.

I respect people who like 7, for whatever reason. Certain of them are unable to return the sentiment and seem to want us all to know it.
 
The Metacritic score has recovered a tad, having dipped below 1.6 briefly…and is now back up to 1.7

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I don't think there's a need for the review score to recover, there's better uses of our energy than to changing reviews when merely nothing in the game has actually been changed to satisfactory levels yet. Still gotta wait a whole two weeks before anything actually happens. So changing your reviews now seems disingenuous.

People should Let the review score stay exactly where it is and put your energy into other things, namely to be as skeptical as we can that PD will actually mend all the issues and with proper thought, care and solutions, not just some as some sort of publicity stunt
 
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Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

Following one of the most difficult days in the 25-year history of Gran Turismo, series founder Kazunori Yamauchi has released a statement to fans regarding the future of Gran Turismo 7 — just two weeks into the title’s life...
I'm looking for update information on 2 player/splitscreen mode. When will we be able to access our garages? It would be nice of each player could access their own garage like we could with GT3 on PS2. Also, why are we forced to be online most of the time? We should be able to access all the options offline unless we are updating or doing online racing.
 
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