Lamborghini Murcielago LP640

[mizx]

Looking good, although i'd like to see some other angles.

The ones we've seen seem to be the only there are unfortunatly. Hopefully we'll see some more after Geneva.

 

[iceburns288]

Looking good, although i'd like to see some other angles. Lambo trumping Ferrari's 599GTB 👍 - i like to see this type of competition.

Ferrari's front-engine V12 GT vs Lambo's top-of-the-line mid-engine supercar

Your point? Even with this in mind, I still believe the Fiorano would be faster.

 

[Poverty]

The ferraris crap. I hope it bombs.

 

[gibus]

Looks mean, VERY MEAN. Nice car, I still never got the hang of the back.. It looks funky for me..

 

[Poverty]

 

[JohnBM01]

A beefier, more powerful Lamborghini Murcielago... in Spanish, we'd say "me gustaeria" (right?). In English, we'd say "I like this very much." No really. I do like this. The Murcielago is a slick beast to begin with. It makes a nice-looking race car. Just ask the ALMS, FIA GT, Super GT, and most other series this thing competed in (is there still the Lamborghini Supertrophy?). My only complaint would be a few extra lines on the car, especially at the rear.

Out of 100% approval, I'm giving this thing 95% approval. Well done, Lamborghini. Forza Lamborghini!

 

[SagarisGTB]

Typical Lambo, making the car look flashy and adding headline horses.

Very nice, now the Murc has the grunt to keep up with Carrera GT and the Pagani Zonda F.

Not likely, The Zonda is nearly half a ton lighter and (according to nearly all the reviews ive read) has the best super car chassis ever.

Strange thing is, I cant find the curb weight for this car. I wouldnt be surprised if it is heavier than its predessesor.

The ferraris crap. I hope it bombs.

I assume you've driven one then?

 

[gibus]

Typical Lambo, making the car look flashy and adding headline horses.


Not likely, The Zonda is nearly half a ton lighter and (according to nearly all the reviews ive read) has the best super car chassis ever.

Strange thing is, I cant find the curb weight for this car. I wouldnt be surprised if it is heavier than its predessesor.


I assume you've driven one then?

it'll prolly be 200 kgs heavier haha

 

[Driftster]

it's paintjob is terrible, and this extra "60HP" will still not put it up there with current supercars..i'm sorry but lambo is about.....6-7 years too late.

 

[McLaren]

Because you all, or most of you miss the point of Lamborghini.

Lamborghini was not there to make the fastest, lightest, greatest supercar ever.

Ferruccio originally wanted a car back in the 60's, that was fast, powerful, and just something with enough speed.
That was the Miura. And keep going forward. You'll learn Ferruccio never really cared having the greatest car ever.
He wanted sports cars people would buy (Jalpa, the 400GTs, etc.).

If you go back to the 90's, you'll learn the Diablo was the car the Miura was. The base Diablo was powered at 485 horses, chump power today. However, the car took on the supercar looks, a fast 0-60 and top speed, and enough power to scream from the V12. That was it. It was to be the practical supercar and that's what it achieved.

Lamborghini still does that today. They do not strive to be the ultimate supercar maker. They only want to build a supercar with looks, great, not the best, performance figures, and give it a price of uniqueness. If you haven't noticed, Ferrari owners outnumber Lamborghini owners almost 3-1 and the number of used Ferraris is way more than Lamborghinis (depending on location sometimes).

Lamborghini today, does fall behind in the supercar race to the best, but they don't care. As long as it's got power, performance figures and just things within supercar requirements, they're happy because they know there are people out there who will buy the car because they know it's fast.

 

[JohnBM01]

And because of McLaren's Post #40, I didn't know that, so I respect Lamborghini a bit more. I'm still a Ferrari guy, but you have to admit. Nothing like a sexy Lamborghini, eh? In the 90s, it was all about the Diablo (and the beautiful Canto concept car), now in 2000-ish, it's about the Murcielago and its Gallardo brother.

I was going to mention the NSX in terms of practical, expensive autos, but we're talking supercars, not exotics. It should still be a fun machine regardless. I'm behind Lamborghini regardless of their endeavors. Just don't make another LM002, you dig? Peace out.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Crazy car....nice looks, mean, massive presence...but whats with the paint (the dull grey hi-gloss finish one) and the name? LP640? Sounds like another Land Rover LR3, it confused people into thinking its somewhere in New York or somthing. LR3...maybe it stands for Left Right 3 . LP640 doesnt let us relate to anything; the Murcielago in front of the LP640 helps a bit, but still...majority of us don't know Italian!

 

[McLaren]

Well, the car does produce 640 horsepower, and LP has been the code for new Lamborghinis, or simply "L" or "P".

Gallardo - L140
Murcielago - L147
Diablo - P132

 

[JohnBM01]

I'm not too bothered about the paint job on this deal. All I know is that if you have the money, you can have it in just about any color they offer for it. I'm not one of the people who simply say, "paint it black, and I'll take two." I have always seen Lamborghini as some of the more sought after exotic makes. It's a bit too aggressive for me to say it is all-around beautiful. It is a mean bastard regardless.

 

[Dave A]

Well, the car does produce 640 horsepower, and LP has been the code for new Lamborghinis, or simply "L" or "P".

Gallardo - L140
Murcielago - L147
Diablo - P132

The LP designation in the car name was used in the top performance models, like the Countach LP500,

 

[SagarisGTB]

Because you all, or most of you miss the point of Lamborghini.

Lamborghini was not there to make the fastest, lightest, greatest supercar ever.

Ferruccio originally wanted a car back in the 60's, that was fast, powerful, and just something with enough speed.
That was the Miura. And keep going forward. You'll learn Ferruccio never really cared having the greatest car ever.
He wanted sports cars people would buy (Jalpa, the 400GTs, etc.).

If you go back to the 90's, you'll learn the Diablo was the car the Miura was. The base Diablo was powered at 485 horses, chump power today. However, the car took on the supercar looks, a fast 0-60 and top speed, and enough power to scream from the V12. That was it. It was to be the practical supercar and that's what it achieved.

Lamborghini still does that today. They do not strive to be the ultimate supercar maker. They only want to build a supercar with looks, great, not the best, performance figures, and give it a price of uniqueness. If you haven't noticed, Ferrari owners outnumber Lamborghini owners almost 3-1 and the number of used Ferraris is way more than Lamborghinis (depending on location sometimes).

Lamborghini today, does fall behind in the supercar race to the best, but they don't care. As long as it's got power, performance figures and just things within supercar requirements, they're happy because they know there are people out there who will buy the car because they know it's fast.

Other than the fact that ive been a Ferrari fan since the age of two, Thats why im not a fan of Lamborghini. They just dont seem to have the passion of a Ferrari and theyve never had Enzos will to strive for excellence and be the best. What you are saying is that Lambo is half-assing and living off of their name. Doesnt sound too exciting. The only Lambo I really like is the Diablo and Id still take a Testarossa over it anyday of the week, and i wouldnt blink in choosing a BB over a countach. If only Ferrari still made a mid-engined boxer 12.

 

[Dave A]

Theres a difference to a car being exiting and a car being a great performer. Look at the TopGear episode where JC tested the McLaren F1, he said it's a fantastic car, but it's not as exiting as a lot of lower performance cars. Let's face it, if you buy a Ferrari your never going to use all that performance, so if the Lambo (which also has more performance that you'll ever use) is in your opinion, more exiting to look at and drive, why would you go for the Ferrari.

 

[SagarisGTB]

I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say a Ferrari is not exciting like Jeremy said of the F1. Also, If you are going to use Jeremy as an example, He did say Ferrari is a little piece of god or something like that, and his reviews of the Challenge Stradale, F430, Enzo and 612 dont show any signs of unexciting cars to drive, in fact its quite the opposite.

And im not going to say anymore on this subject since my side of the argument is abviously fueled by a little bias. (Anything TVR, Ferrari or Honda usually will be for me)

 

[Poverty]

Ferraris are starting to get visually boring.

 

[Dave A]

I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say a Ferrari is not exciting like Jeremy said of the F1. Also, If you are going to use Jeremy as an example, He did say Ferrari is a little piece of god or something like that, and his reviews of the Challenge Stradale, F430, Enzo and 612 dont show any signs of unexciting cars to drive, in fact its quite the opposite.

And im not going to say anymore on this subject since my side of the argument is abviously fueled by a little bias. (Anything TVR, Ferrari or Honda usually will be for me)

Your missing the point, I'm not even trying to hint that Ferrari's are bad, but not everyone see's a car in the same way, look at the number of people who love the F1, Tiff Needel for example thinks it's still the ultimate supercar, JC doesn't like it nearly as much, he thinks it's the F40. John Barker thinks it's the Cerbera Speed 12 and you'll find differing opinions all over the place (you only have to look in any what's your fave supercar threads), everyone's opinions on a car differ. It's fine to not like a car, but it's alos fine to like one. It's like when people say I can't believe anyone would choose that over this, this cars faster, so bleedin what if your never going to go as fast as the first car can go in the first place. Choose a car because you like that car, not because another company has made a car that goes 215mph instead of 205.

You get Kudo's for your mention of TVR though .

 

[ImprezaAddict]

beautiful lines huh

 

[Pebb]

Dang I love the inside of the new Murcielago. And talking about the 215MPH thing live4speed, no one has said about the TVR Typhon.

Which is what you want to hear mate.

 

[niky]

And unlike its last show car, the highly contrived remake of the Miura displayed at the Detroit motor show back in January, this 640 hp beast is headed into production.

At last, one publication actually agrees with me on the uselessness of the Miura showcar...

Oh, and the new Murcie ain't bad either... that power bump is something the big Lambo has needed for a long time.

 

[JohnBM01]

I noticed how [surprisingly] the Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 looks on the inside. I think the more unique deal about this car is how much it is somewhat practical apart from its monsterous enigma under the hood and on the outsides. Just look at the inside. It doesn't look like a sports car that's completely driver-focused. I'd likely be inclined to say that it can be quite comfortable sitting down in. The seats look pretty comfy.

I like Ferrari because of the history and prestige. Many Ferraris are designed to be for the chosen few. They represent what only a few true sports cars enthusiasts could ever want into ANY car. I just never thought about the more practical side of Lamborghini. Maybe I've been under the influence of sexy Italian car = fast car = what every car driver should own. I like Ferrari and Lamborghini, just more of a Ferrari guy. Does it mean that Lamborghini HAS to go out and own Ferrari first chance they get? Let's face it. Almost every car company has what they consider their goal. Some want performance. Some want affordablity. Some want a combination of different elements. The kinds of cars people love compared to what a company has to offer makes all the difference as to what cars people like. A majority of us car fans like sports cars, and if you want to be the man, you have to beat the man. The men in this case are Ferrari. Get on their asses and come out with something to stun everyone in compeition. If Lamborghini's goal isn't to be the builders of the best sports car in existance, then what authority do you (or anyone else) have over what that company's goal should be? Practicality doesn't have to equal boredom. It's much like how Mercedes-Benz makes nice sports cars, but much of that allure is taken away from those who hate MB's not having manual transmissions. Or why people continually bash Honda instead of giving them props for being practical and reliable. Perhaps Porsche is the best of practical, "affordable" sports cars. Look at the Boxster at about $40K - $50K. At least you can have something from a well-respected brand, even if it's the cheapest model. You know what you're getting with a Porsche. I'm not going to say that Lamborghini has f:CENSORED:ed up priorities on sports cars because they don't suck up to anybody or kiss anyone's ass. They do things the way they want to and want us to go to Hell if we disapprove.

There's nothing like a Lamborghini even if they aren't out to kill the Enzo (besides, the Enzo's overrated. McLaren F1 for me, all cash, no change). They don't have to have Enzo killers if they don't want to. Besides, 640hp in a sweet Lambo... what could be better? (^_^)

 

[McLaren]

Other than the fact that ive been a Ferrari fan since the age of two, Thats why im not a fan of Lamborghini. They just dont seem to have the passion of a Ferrari and theyve never had Enzos will to strive for excellence and be the best. What you are saying is that Lambo is half-assing and living off of their name. Doesnt sound too exciting. The only Lambo I really like is the Diablo and Id still take a Testarossa over it anyday of the week, and i wouldnt blink in choosing a BB over a countach. If only Ferrari still made a mid-engined boxer 12.

So you're a fan of the most overhyped car company that's design team is starting to shoot itself in the foot.

Ferrari hasn't made a car that screams Ferrari since mid 90's.
Every few years, they get more and more like something else. The problem is none of their cars share 1 style.
Porsche's signature style has been the grills of their cars, M-B's is now sharing that "nose" where the emblem rests, and BMW has those 2 signature grills.
Lamborghini's is also the 2 grills.

My point being, none of Ferrari's cars share a style. It used to be the 4-tail lights in the 90's, but now with the 599, that's gone.

Not to mention, Enzo also had nerve to be an ass. I only thank Enzo for at least starting Ferrari and causing Ferruccio to make his own company.
Enzo didn't even care about his production cars. He just made 'em to keep up his racing career which may I add was destroyed by Ford at LeMans.

Those same Fords became Ferruccio's emphasis for the car that would become a legend, the Miura.

Now, about the Countach, if you knew anything about Lamborghini's past, you'd realize they were there to top Ferrari almost everytime.

In 1971, the Countach was released and recorded an amazing 175Mph and 5.7 0-60 for the 70's.
Despite being compared to the F40, the Countach lived a much longer life and had been around for almost 20 years when the F40 appeared.

Though Ferrari claimed the Testarossa was the answer to the Countach, it apparently failed as the Countach got stronger over the years, the 25th Anniversary model pushing 5 seconds and 183Mph.

Then came the F40 of '87. It pretty much killed off the old Countach, until it's departure in '90-'91. Of course, while the F40 left, the Diablo entered and once again, Lamborghini took the lead. With a 4 second 0-60 and 1 mph faster than the F40, the Diablo was a success.

The problem was, Lamborghini was never really trying to build the ultimate car. Lamborghini was just building exotic cars as always.If you look at the Lamborghinis built during Ferruccio's time, you can see they were not Ferrari racers. It wasn't until Ferruccio's death that Lamborghini's new head started to put a little more pressure on Ferrari. Over the years, Lamborghini upgraded the Diablo to keep up with Ferrari while still remaining an average exotic car.
The F50 came and soon the bigger Diablos were doing the battles. Of course, with McLaren in there going about as well.

Lamborghini today, thankfully, still remains faithful to Ferruccio's way of building cars, but they are starting to put more fight out with the Gallardo to be the F430 rival.
However, you can see Lamborghini's tradition carrying on.
They usually build 1-2 models and then sell many variants of them. This where they get their success, offering the same car in different forms.

BTW, it's Ferrari who lives off the name, not Lamborghini.

 

[Driftster]

Mclaren...Ferrari's actually do share a big signature in common..

I mean asside from being "ferrari Red"..

they all share that glorious prancing pony on the hood..
What more do you need?
Flame Surfacing doesn't make/break a car. Honestly, I very very sick and tired of it. Yeah it gives a car a definition, but it loses all individuality. If all the cars share something in common, then well NONE of them stand out from one another. Sure they might stand out next to OTHER brands, but next to eachother it just looks like a step foreward as apposed to a step in another direction(not meant in a neg/pos manner)

And as far as the countach/f40/diablo statement, you're looking at it from a straight line perspective, sure there might have been some sort of 0-60/top speed battle, but at the end of the day, who was always the first to cross the finsih line? hint: not a bull

BTW, the F40 had a 3.9sec 0-60; and a 7.8 0-100(as tested by FastLane) faster 0-60 and 0-100 time than the original 92' Diablo...

And I'm sorry but if the Enzo/FFX don't scream out "i'm a ferrari" I really don't know what else would, especially in the 21st century

 

[iceburns288]

Not to mention, Enzo also had nerve to be an ass. I only thank Enzo for at least starting Ferrari and causing Ferruccio to make his own company.
Enzo didn't even care about his production cars. He just made 'em to keep up his racing career which may I add was destroyed by Ford at LeMans.

Oh, but I'm sure Ferrari's racing history is nothing compared to Lamb-oh. Nevermind. They don't have one.

I don't think a Lamborghini will ever be more exciting to drive than a Ferrari. Period.

 

[Driftster]

iceburn..I guess you forgot that oh so sucessful nomad diablo...

 

[GT4_Rule]

Why do we talk about racing heritage? It's not like we will ever need the racing heritage, ever.

Oh btw the prancing horse on each Ferrari....DUH, they're Ferrari's car! Who heard of a company that doesn't put their logos on their car? None, period. Ferraris really don't share styles. All BMWs are recognizeable, even though they may be ugly. All MB are recognizeable, by the four lamp headlights. But Ferrari, aside from the four taillamp, its not really a "family" and for how long have Ferraris had the four lamp taillights? I may be wrong, but if the trend was started by Chevy Corvette, then it makes the Ferrari's stand worse. All they have these days is the eggcrate looking lower grill and a prancing horse on the side. I mean, they need more than that to link all the family members together!

 

[STLbarcelona5]

Actually. My '79 Beetle Convertible. Doesn't have a VW logo at all on it. Theres a plaque by the gas cap that was Karmann. And then on the decklid it says Fuel Injection.

But I mean cmon, it's a god damn Beetle, not like it's going to be confused with anything.