Lamborghini Murcielago LP640

[Driftster]

Why do we talk about racing heritage? It's not like we will ever need the racing heritage, ever.

Oh btw the prancing horse on each Ferrari....DUH, they're Ferrari's car! Who heard of a company that doesn't put their logos on their car? None, period. Ferraris really don't share styles. All BMWs are recognizeable, even though they may be ugly. All MB are recognizeable, by the four lamp headlights. But Ferrari, aside from the four taillamp, its not really a "family" and for how long have Ferraris had the four lamp taillights? I may be wrong, but if the trend was started by Chevy Corvette, then it makes the Ferrari's stand worse. All they have these days is the eggcrate looking lower grill and a prancing horse on the side. I mean, they need more than that to link all the family members together!

So you're telling me, you can't recognize a ferrari?
I don't think you should be on an automotive related site if that's the case.
and "all they have these days is eggcrate looking lower grill"
You know who else does?
Porsche.....

 

[McLaren]

Oh, but I'm sure Ferrari's racing history is nothing compared to Lamb-oh. Nevermind. They don't have one.

I don't think a Lamborghini will ever be more exciting to drive than a Ferrari. Period.

I'm not sure whether to take your statement as something serioues considering your father is an owner of 2 Ferraris.

Ferruccio never had a passion for the racing scene, so there's your answer there. Lamborghini's racing days did start in the 90's with the exception of some Countach race cars built by owners.

But, how successful have Ferrari been lately outside FIA and F1? They sure as hell aren't winning anything in ALMS, as their class is dominated by the DBR9s and C6Rs.
The MC12s are right now, giving the Maranellos a hard time in FIA as well as the S7Rs which are all to see improvements this year.


GT4_Rule, that's what I'm talking. All manufacturers have a small feature that links their cars together.

@Drift, besides the Enzo and the FFX. Does the 612 really say, "I'm a badass Ferrari"? Or the F430?
The F355 said Ferrari from its style and power. So did the F50. And even the Maranello and 360.

Lamborghini finally took interest in racing with the SV-R, a monster machine, and was soon followed up by the GTR, the successful racer. The GTR took life and began racing in its own series in Europe and soon migrated to FIA.

The GTR with the GT2 and SV-R are considered the only true Lamborghini race cars as Lamborghini does not back its Reiter Engineering's R-GT or GT3R Gallardo.

Lamborghini has never been a company in taking racing wins. It lies in building an all-around great supercar.

 

[JohnBM01]

Only bit of Lamborghini racing I can recall (other than in the JGTC/Super GT) series is the Lamborghini SuperTrophy. For what I know, it's been defunct since 2001. I think you have to credit Lamborghini because even without racing heritage, their cars are still sought after and respected. Of course, if I wanted some Lamborghini racing, I'd just simply play GT-R and get the Murciélago. I believe the "e" is accented, so that's why I did that.

Just my words.

 

[GT4_Rule]

So you're telling me, you can't recognize a ferrari?
I don't think you should be on an automotive related site if that's the case.
and "all they have these days is eggcrate looking lower grill"
You know who else does?
Porsche.....

I didn't say I can't recognize a Ferrari...thank you for your advice, but its my own freedom to be on this site. Don't tell me what to do.

And with the Porsche eggcrate grille, I don't exactly like the new design either. And I never said that the recent Porsche styling is an absolute blast either.

 

[Driftster]

@Drift, besides the Enzo and the FFX. Does the 612 really say, "I'm a badass Ferrari"? Or the F430?
The F355 said Ferrari from its style and power. So did the F50. And even the Maranello and 360.
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The F355 Said Ferrari from it's style at the time. Times change, as do design scheme's.
Name another company making a car with edges as hard as the F355's were. i really don't think you can name any cars outside of maybe the new Ford Mustang.

As for it's power, it had a different type of power than Ferrari has yet to go back to, so that should say something there.

The F360 was produced past the "mid 90's" so there goes the idea Ferrari hasn't made a "ferrari" since then.
The F430 to me say ferrari moreso than the F360 ever did. Why you ask? because it's form has even more function than the 360. Which is what Ferrari was about....Function first, form second.

In terms of other companies, other than the 911 and Cayman. Does the Boxster/Cayenne Scream out "I'm a bad ass porsche"?

 

[McLaren]

Actually, the new Cayenne Turbo S does and if you've seen them run, you could easily say its got the looks to match the power.

Oh, but here's the difference.

The Cayenne/Boxster aren't meant to be sought-after sports cars UNLIKE Ferraris.

 

[JohnBM01]

I love the 360 Modena and F430 from Ferrari. While not ridculously expensive, they are nice Ferraris you CAN have, rather than spending your life savings on a Ferrari Enzo. Almost any Ferrari is an exotic, much less most Porssches or Lamborghinis. I haven't heard too much on the 612 Scaglietti, but I like that car too, just not as much as the 360 Modena or the F430. I've always loved the Ferrari 333SP, which is my favorite race car of all time, especially the Momo Ferrari.

I still respect Ferraris even if I don't talk about them all the time. I am usually more diverse in cars anyways. I know I can't afford a Ferrari if I had the money to get a Mini Cooper or a Chrysler 300. Do I NEED a Ferrari? Do I need any exotic? I think it was "Solid Lifters" talking about that supercars are just... toys for rich people. I forgot what he said.

Again, this Murciélago is a beautiful machine. It's beautifully aggressive and is definitely a head-turner. The boost in horsepower will make it more powerful and add just a few more reasons why this car is killer.

 

[Driftster]

Actually, the new Cayenne Turbo S does and if you've seen them run, you could easily say its got the looks to match the power.

Actually no it doesn't. I've seen them run, and I've seen their looks.

That's like throwing a brick through the window of a Mclaren, ripping off a door, spraying paint thinner on half the car, and putting Vtec badges on it....Then saying "it's looks match it's performance"
IT's a fast....ugly ass pos SUV..

But i digress that's not the topic of discussion.

Ok...Let's see
At some point in time..Ferrari had to go from

This..and become

Then over time

Then to

Then finally

and I gaurentee you through every one of those jumps..There were people *****ing about "well this ferrari doesn't look like the last one's it lacks the look of "i'ma ferrari" rabble rabble rabble and so on"


So far they've been pretty much on the money, Sure the 612 is kinda..in the ugly department, but like the past, there've always been the black sheep of the "ferrari generations"..

I see plenty of "ferrari" in both the F430, and the F599...If you don't see it, you will eventually...but..It's there ya just gotta look hard.

 

[McLaren]

Better include some dates and better cars because our "jumps" were not less than a decade.

The jump from the 250GTO to the 288GTO was over 20 years.

And take a look at the cars BEFORE the F355. Like the 360 Modena morphing into the F430, there were cars resembling small features of the 80's Ferraris.

Take a look at the 1980's Ferrari 3xx cars. If you look at the 348 and then look at the F355, you'll see, LIKE the 360 into the F430, the 348 gradually molded into the F355.
Better yet, here's a nice look at the morph of the F355.

Mondial Conv.s->348tb->348TS->355 GTS->F355

So, those "jumps" of your's are a dead argument.

 

[Driftster]

Better include some dates and better cars because our "jumps" were not less than a decade.

The jump from the 250GTO to the 288GTO was over 20 years.

And take a look at the cars BEFORE the F355. Like the 360 Modena morphing into the F430, there were cars resembling small features of the 80's Ferraris.

Take a look at the 1980's Ferrari 3xx cars. If you look at the 348 and then look at the F355, you'll see, LIKE the 360 into the F430, the 348 gradually molded into the F355.
Better yet, here's a nice look at the morph of the F355.

Mondial Conv.s->348tb->348TS->355 GTS->F355

So, those "jumps" of your's are a dead argument.

Ok Mister anal....I wasn't sitting here saying Car A became Car B overnight....

I'm simply saying that cars evolve.....And Ferrari is no exception obviously..

If you'd REALLY rather have me go back and post a pic of every single car that came to mind in the lineup of ferrari evolution and turn this into a 56k unfriendly thread I'll go right on ahead... But I really think that you see my point, and if you don't then I don't even know why I'm bothering to talk to you because you obviously only see what's directly infront of your nose.

Except that you go on to say the F360 shares similarities with the cars before it....As doe the F430..Which just killed your OWN arguement by saying Ferrari's have nothing "ferrari" anymore...And that they don't have a Family they belong to..Because as your stubborn self so eliquently pointed out, they obviously do.

As for my "jumps" arguement that was dead...It was never an arguement, take a logic class or two to find out what an arguement really is.

 

[McLaren]

Try again. You mixed up my words.

Your claimed that Ferrari's "jumps" in design were from the 250 GTO to the 288GTO to the 360 Modena and that people said, "That can't be a Ferrari."

I pointed out that that was wrong because the 250 GTO design did not change into the 288GTO in a few years.

The models in between then morphed the 250 GTO into the 80's Ferraris.

As for the 360 argument, dead as well.

I did not say the 360/F430 shared anything with past Ferraris in evolvement. I said LIKE the 348 morphed into F355, the 360 Modena morphed into F430.

Perhaps it's you only sees what is in front of his own nose.

 

[Driftster]

Perhaps you've got a problem with comprehension......
The world JUMPS wasn't meant to be interpreted as "hey one day ferrari decided to make Car A into car B.......Like I said, if you WANT me to post every single picture of every car in the linup to show the gradual changes..I'd be more than happy to...because you obviously have no capacity for abstract thought. And you say I can only see what's infront of my nose?

And once again, you're just proving that the cars do have a family..Which you said Ferrari's since the mid 90's havn't had.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

I'm closing this. It's off topic, and there's little point in continuing to go around and around the same pole.