Lap Time Benchmark
- Thread starter BH-21
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Round 2
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'54.549
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295
Driver: BH-21
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'53.489
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295
Driver: BH-21
Standard Dual Shock Controller
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'54.549
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295
Driver: BH-21
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'53.489
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295
Driver: BH-21
Standard Dual Shock Controller
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- beyond down under
- Skython11
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Time: 1.53.934
Track type: Normal
Tires: S2
Power: 295 HP
Upgrades: stock
Driver: Skython11
New time: (Also on next page)
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Time: 1.52.917
Track type: Normal
Tires: S2
Power: 295 HP
Upgrades: stock
Driver: Skython11
Tips: Tokyo is a track that we know right, but for a good time, relaxing beforehand is the key, I was in a really good mood, compared to how I've been the past 2 weeks, and I put out my best times on other tracks in my NSX-R, anyway, don't focus on speed, focus on your line and exits, use as much room as you can and be smooth.
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Time: 1.53.934
Track type: Normal
Tires: S2
Power: 295 HP
Upgrades: stock
Driver: Skython11
New time: (Also on next page)
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Time: 1.52.917
Track type: Normal
Tires: S2
Power: 295 HP
Upgrades: stock
Driver: Skython11
Tips: Tokyo is a track that we know right, but for a good time, relaxing beforehand is the key, I was in a really good mood, compared to how I've been the past 2 weeks, and I put out my best times on other tracks in my NSX-R, anyway, don't focus on speed, focus on your line and exits, use as much room as you can and be smooth.
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- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Yes SVX, this should be open to everyone willing to race, and honestly submit a time. I think it is just a game to entice more people to run benchmark times.
I've only hit 1'58.??? so far, I am horrible at MR without adjusting the suspension to reduce body-roll.
I've only hit 1'58.??? so far, I am horrible at MR without adjusting the suspension to reduce body-roll.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
I used to have a wheel but it didn't have feedback, and my times were far better with it. I miss that wheel, specially for drifting.
I still have a cool hand-held wheel controller, with a trigger-style accel/brake back in ps1 days (gt1&2), but it doesn't work with the ps2.
So I'm stuck using the good-old Dual-Shock, but I'm wondering if I can open it up and put a stronger spring in it, or rig up a taller stick to increase my steer-ability.
I still have a cool hand-held wheel controller, with a trigger-style accel/brake back in ps1 days (gt1&2), but it doesn't work with the ps2.
So I'm stuck using the good-old Dual-Shock, but I'm wondering if I can open it up and put a stronger spring in it, or rig up a taller stick to increase my steer-ability.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Round 2
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'54.257
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
Sad... It took 87.3 miles over 3 days to post one decent lap, and that was my only decent lap, everything else was 1'58 or more. (I gotta practice more low power MR's)
Just waiting for BH-21 to cut that 1/3 of a second to take away 2nd, or SVX to smoke us all.
Benchmark
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'51.712
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light? (stock with only RC Suspension, not sure how you would classify)
Horse Power: 295 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'54.257
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 295 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
Sad... It took 87.3 miles over 3 days to post one decent lap, and that was my only decent lap, everything else was 1'58 or more. (I gotta practice more low power MR's)
Just waiting for BH-21 to cut that 1/3 of a second to take away 2nd, or SVX to smoke us all.
Benchmark
Track: Tokyo Route 246
Car: Honda NSX Type R '02
Time: 1'51.712
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light? (stock with only RC Suspension, not sure how you would classify)
Horse Power: 295 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
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I doubt I will get the hampsters in mine to go any faster. You feel silly, I put nearly 200 miles on that brand new NSX.
As for upgrade level I guess I would have to say that was a Heavy Upgrade, I know it sounds funny. You bought one part, but it was a Racing part so the majority of your parts would be in the heavy upgrade level. Now if you got a Sports Exhaust, a Large Single Plate Clutch and a Sports Flywheel then you could call it a light upgrade as the majority of your parts would be of the Sports type. Tires would be sports tires at all levels with racing tires generally for Semi-Racing and Racing, (Medium, Heavy and Extreme upgrade levels).
Things like Fully Adjustable Transmissions and Fully Adjustable Limited Slip Differentials I tend to only use on Medium upgrades and higher as they are pretty racing and semi-racing oriented, but a case could be made for them on a light upgrade with all other sports parts. This would be one of those grey areas.
As for upgrade level I guess I would have to say that was a Heavy Upgrade, I know it sounds funny. You bought one part, but it was a Racing part so the majority of your parts would be in the heavy upgrade level. Now if you got a Sports Exhaust, a Large Single Plate Clutch and a Sports Flywheel then you could call it a light upgrade as the majority of your parts would be of the Sports type. Tires would be sports tires at all levels with racing tires generally for Semi-Racing and Racing, (Medium, Heavy and Extreme upgrade levels).
Things like Fully Adjustable Transmissions and Fully Adjustable Limited Slip Differentials I tend to only use on Medium upgrades and higher as they are pretty racing and semi-racing oriented, but a case could be made for them on a light upgrade with all other sports parts. This would be one of those grey areas.
- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Wow, 200 miles- you have far more patience than me (or 2.5 times more anyway, lol)
I think that may be an issue with the upgrade levels system for benchmarking purposes, actually the majority of the parts are stock which is less than sports. Due to my driving style, I need to be able to adjust the suspension to be able to drive the car correctly. The real quantifiable changes in times comes with upgrades that raise horsepower, lower weight, and quickens shifting- oh and grippiness of tires. Changing suspension and to a degree LSD only really allow you to fit the car to your style of racing, specially since most of us have run the 'extreme' level for so long. I have 'pet settings' for each drivetrain type that I am most comfortable with, it's hard to unlearn these driving tendencies.
From a statistical/scientific standpoint, you will get much better and repeatable results, if everyone can setup cars how they are used to driving them. You will get a better baseline on each driver, so you know going in around what times you should get.
In my opinion:
Exhaust, NA Tune, P&P, Eng.Bal., Disp.UP, R.Chip, Turbo, Intercooler, S.charger, Trans., Clutch, Flywheel, Driveshaft, Racing Brakes, Weight Red., and Tires have the highest impact on times and upgrade level.
To where B.controller, LSD, AYC, Suspension, VCD, and Inc. Rigidity seem to have a great impact on fitting the car to the driver's style and ability.
The perfect example is the times I posted for this round. With only a customizable suspension difference, I took only about 2.5 seconds off my best stock time; but out of the 9 laps I ran, all but the lap I spun out, were within 1.5 seconds of each other. My stock times on the other hand were all over the place within approximately 8 seconds of each other.
It could be that I am so used to those 'pet settings', that some reactions are just so ingrained to what works and what doesn't, that doesn't apply the same way with a stock car. Has anyone else noticed the same inconsistencies when driving stock? (those who are used to customizing just about every car they drive)
If so, in the interest of more consistent data, I think the Upgrade level rules could be reevaluated and tweaked. Whether or not the rules get adjusted, I will still be participating. But what do you think?¿
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- OPTION_XIII
Track: Deep Forest Raceway
Car: Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex '83
Time: 1'39.691
Course Style: Normal
Tires: N2 (Comfort)
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 141 HP
Driver: Hot_Shoe
I watched Initial D to see what the hype was about. Wasn't that impressed (especially when they said drifting with all four tires sliding was the fastest way around a corner), but it did inspire me to go drive an AE86 on Deep Forest, the closest to a mountain road I've found in GT4. The goal was to emulate the level of tune of the hero car. I installed a 1.5 way LSD (thought an LSD came stock?), semi-racing flywheel, and a semi-racing exhaust. With less than two tenths separating me from sub 1:40 times I installed the racing suspension tuned to feel similar to stock, only a bit more neutral or oversteery.
I didn't use the Shuichi Shinego Trueno mainly because I had a 6.2 mile Levin in the garage, plus, I prefer the non flip-up lights anyway. Now it's got over 160 miles in both testing and racing. This is a fun little car!
Car: Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex '83
Time: 1'39.691
Course Style: Normal
Tires: N2 (Comfort)
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 141 HP
Driver: Hot_Shoe
I watched Initial D to see what the hype was about. Wasn't that impressed (especially when they said drifting with all four tires sliding was the fastest way around a corner), but it did inspire me to go drive an AE86 on Deep Forest, the closest to a mountain road I've found in GT4. The goal was to emulate the level of tune of the hero car. I installed a 1.5 way LSD (thought an LSD came stock?), semi-racing flywheel, and a semi-racing exhaust. With less than two tenths separating me from sub 1:40 times I installed the racing suspension tuned to feel similar to stock, only a bit more neutral or oversteery.
I didn't use the Shuichi Shinego Trueno mainly because I had a 6.2 mile Levin in the garage, plus, I prefer the non flip-up lights anyway. Now it's got over 160 miles in both testing and racing. This is a fun little car!
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Essentially my upgrade levels are based on the parts levels in the game with a nod to costs of each level.
Sports Parts - Light (Approximately >=< 30,000 CR)
Semi-Racing Parts - Medium (Approximately >=< 120,000 CR)
Racing Parts - Heavy (Approximately >=< 200,000 CR)
Maxed Out - Extreme (Approximately >=< 300,000 CR)
If you stick with those levels it works fine except for some omni type parts that could be put on any of them. Then you also have the mixed bag builds so you have to really either go by quanity of a certain type or the price most common of the types mounted to classify.
I figure we should do about 10 rounds of stock before we go to modified cars. Personally I would like to do each level of upgrading, but what ever everyone else would like to do when we get to that point is fine by me.
Sports Parts - Light (Approximately >=< 30,000 CR)
Semi-Racing Parts - Medium (Approximately >=< 120,000 CR)
Racing Parts - Heavy (Approximately >=< 200,000 CR)
Maxed Out - Extreme (Approximately >=< 300,000 CR)
If you stick with those levels it works fine except for some omni type parts that could be put on any of them. Then you also have the mixed bag builds so you have to really either go by quanity of a certain type or the price most common of the types mounted to classify.
I figure we should do about 10 rounds of stock before we go to modified cars. Personally I would like to do each level of upgrading, but what ever everyone else would like to do when we get to that point is fine by me.
Round 2 is over!
Skython11 had the best time with BH-21 the second best. Skython11 picks the car and track for round three. Please use the following example for the posting when you make it.
Example:
Round 1 (Bold, text size 4 or 5)
Infinity G35 Coupe '03 (New)
Fuji Speedway '90s (Normal)
P.S. Technically its still open till noon today US Central time, but unless you can beat Skython11's time I think its over.
Skython11 had the best time with BH-21 the second best. Skython11 picks the car and track for round three. Please use the following example for the posting when you make it.
Example:
Round 1 (Bold, text size 4 or 5)
Infinity G35 Coupe '03 (New)
Fuji Speedway '90s (Normal)
P.S. Technically its still open till noon today US Central time, but unless you can beat Skython11's time I think its over.
- 7,222
- beyond down under
- Skython11
Round 3 - Skython11's challenge
Car: Caterham Seven Fire blade '02
Track: Infineon Sports car course (the only way it goes)
Tuning: Stock
Car cost: 60,000 cr
NO OIL CHANGE
Track entry: 5 cr
^ Is that a good round or is it too odd?
PS: I will not be in this round as I have no TV anymore and need something to plug into computer monitor
I will still post a time for this, but it'll be in a couple of weeks
Car: Caterham Seven Fire blade '02
Track: Infineon Sports car course (the only way it goes)
Tuning: Stock
Car cost: 60,000 cr
NO OIL CHANGE
Track entry: 5 cr
^ Is that a good round or is it too odd?
PS: I will not be in this round as I have no TV anymore and need something to plug into computer monitor
I will still post a time for this, but it'll be in a couple of weeks
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- sinharvest24
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- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Round 3
Track: Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'49.123
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
-Only ran a few imperfect laps, subject to change in following sessions, but I figured I'd post a time to shoot for/at.
EDIT: Old Time 1'52.610
What a difference Manual Trans. makes with this car.
Track: Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'49.123
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
-Only ran a few imperfect laps, subject to change in following sessions, but I figured I'd post a time to shoot for/at.
EDIT: Old Time 1'52.610
What a difference Manual Trans. makes with this car.
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- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
Not really drving the heck out of it, only 2 sessions of 5 laps with AT, and 1 session of 5 laps MT. MT is much easier since the majority of the track is done with only 2 gears. So where are all the other times at??¿¿
But I do love messing with this car, it's more fun though fully upgraded and drifting, and even better in the 3-4 kHP range...
Should I submit a time for a new upgrade level beyond extreme? HYBRID? <jk>
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Round 3
Track: Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'48.047
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160
Driver: BH-21
Benchmark
Track: Infineon Raceway - Stock Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'25.549
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160
Driver: BH-21
Track: Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'48.047
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160
Driver: BH-21
Benchmark
Track: Infineon Raceway - Stock Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'25.549
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160
Driver: BH-21
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- 1,948
- Rochester, MI
- GrumpEone
What? There is no way you took 24 seconds, off my time, it's not possible- I mean there's room for improvement, but not a fifth of a track of improvement- ahh, that's it, you did the Stock Car Course, that's about a fifth shorter or so.
At least you got another benchmark time.
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Benchmark
Track: Infineon Raceway - Stock Car Course
Car: Caterham Seven Fire Blade '02
Time: 1'25.926
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Stock
Horse Power: 160 HP
Driver: GrumpEone
Got me by more than a 1/3 of a sec.
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