Law Enforcement Disgusts me

[Driftster]

I've got to get something off my chest. I'm sorry if this offends anyone in any way ahead of time.



The Law enforcement/department of corrections in arizona is the biggest crock of **** i have ever heard of in my entire life.



Today this event took place

PHOENIX (AP) -- Police used patrol cars as battering rams Thursday to stop a pickup truck that led officers on a chase that ended at Sky Harbor International Airport, where controllers were forced to momentarily stop air traffic. The chase began early Thursday in northwest Phoenix as officers responded to a call of a stolen pickup truck, said police spokesman Sgt. Randy Force.

The driver made his way to the airport, where he drove through a security fence, Force said. The truck eventually tore through the fence again, which remained wrapped around the vehicle as police stopped it.

At least three officers fired at the pickup after it crashed through the fence.

Police said the suspect -- ---------------, 2----, of Phoenix -- wasn't hit.

He was admitted to Maricopa Medical Center for a medical condition and will be booked into jail when doctors release him, police said.

Authorities said ------ faces several felony charges including aggravated assault on police officers plus two unrelated warrants and could also face federal charges.

Sky Harbor officials said air traffic controllers stopped air traffic for a few minutes at one point during the chase. Airport operations were back to normal by late Thursday morning.

I deleted the names so this person doesn't get any "unwanted attention" although the story is being aired nationally.

This person, is my cousin. A close relative of mine who's had some hard times as of late. Yeah, that's a bad thing. But what I don't understand is the following.



He fled from the cops, however durring his chase he never went over the speed of 70MPH the posted limit is 65, that was on the highway. He never went over 45MPH down "indian school" which is where the chase initially took place. The posted limit is 40.......The most wreckless act he did was go into oncomming traffic on ONE occassion, however there was no traffic. A Semi was making a left handed turn and he went around. Other than that he for the most part stayed in his lanes ETC ETC ETC. Once the vehicle arrived at the airport he broke through a chain link fence, this chain link fence led into the area where the luggage cars are serviced.

It was at this point when the police began to open fire.



Once the police opened fire, then and ONLY THEN did my cousin proceed to "speed". He got onto the runway and did 100+ while the police were in pursuit.... ON A RUNWAY.

He passed about 3 planes being taxi'd to the main strip, and eye witnesses say that durring that straight away they estimated about 20 rounds being fired at the car.



He made his way to the end of the strip where he broke through another chain link fence, prior to that fence a motorcycle cop doing about 60 speeds up to the truck and the officer loses control and lays his bike down. Once he came to a stop he got up and fired one more shot off.

The ONLY shot that struck the vehicle, hitting the passenger window, and possibly grazing my cousins back.



The story is at a national level because my cousin, who stole a random pickup truck, made his way onto an EXTREMELY Secure Airports runway in a matter of minutes, and one chain link fence.



One of the charges being brought forth is "aggrivated assault upon an officer". Last time I checked, if you're just a deuschnozzle who can't ride a bike and falls...IT isn't anyone elses fault but your own..

NO contact was ever made with the bike, the truck never CUt the bike off, the guy was just a complete moron.



That is "police are assholes" #1



2 years ago, in September I was involved in a shooting.



In a attempted car jacking gone wrong a young hispanic male shot me 4 times while trying to get my 98 BMW M3. I had 3 passengers in the car, one other was hit in the upper thigh. I drove myself to the hospital, needless to say I was at a rather "gingerly" pace, so to speak. I pull into the ER Ambulance drop off. The female with the thigh wound gets carried in, the other passenger hops out to get help for me.

I crawl out of my car and onto my feet only to be greeted by 8 of Phoenix boys in blue..

Every single one had his/her gun drawn aimed for mass.

"GET BACK in THE CAR!" is barked to me so i sit my bleeding self back down in the car... A Good minute goes by before the idiots realize that...

THE CAR WITH BULLET HOLES WHO SPED INTO THE ER ENTRANCE...Wasn't here to commit violent crime....



My mother is a nurse for the department of corrections so I know all of the dirty, crooked ass bull **** that goes on in there and it scares me to know that it's these filthy kaniving people that run our country. These people take money out of my paychecks and my loved ones paychecks only to fuel their idiocy and greed even more...

It makes me completely and utterly disgusted..

 

[Driftster]

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[McLaren]

That charge for aggreviated assualt seemed stupid.

The cops obviously weren't smart enough to piece the puzzles together that a man bleeding stepping or should I say crawling out of a car with bullet holes is not a criminal.

 

[Solid Lifters]

You get absolutely no support or sympathy from me. I think you cousin should have been shot dead, that piece of crap. Anybody who runs from the police and puts regular citizen lives at jeopardy deseves a 230 grain .45 cal slug in the head. Bastards like him destroy and end inocent lives and so they deserved to be killed if it stops the persuit that much quicker. What worse, he put an entire airport with airplanes that are filled with people in danger. Your reaction to the officers actions is pathetic.

And with your incident, how do you think the police should respond to a speeding car riddled with bulletholes? Are you completely ignorant or something? They don't know who you are or if you were in some gang fight. Duh.

And as far as your stupid cousin is concerned, he is responsable for whoever and whomever gets injured during his pursuit, if he actualy hit somebody or not. I hope he goes to jail and never gets out. Life is too short and fragile to live with a prick like him.

 

[Driftster]

You get absolutely no support or sympathy from me. I think you cousin should have been shot dead, that piece of crap. Anybody who runs from the police and puts regular citizen lives at jeopardy deseves a 230 grain .45 cal slug in the head. Bastards like him destroy and end inocent lives and so they deserved to be killed if it stops the persuit that much quicker. What worse, he put an entire airport with airplanes that are filled with people in danger. Your reaction to the officers actions is pathetic.

You're right...Because 5 over the speed limit puts everyone in jeapardy....

Damn I deserve a 230 grain .45.....

Wait I bet you do too......

I mean, feel free to watch the footage, it's all around. You'll see that his driving was yes "erratic" at one point, at the very start......Other than that, driving like your average person in a very slight hurry for work....

As for the airport....I don't know how YOU would respond, I don't know what kind of self preservation response you have in your body....
But when bullets start flying at me, my main goal isn't to STOP. Especially when it's the police firing. Considered police officers get away with murder all the time

And with your incident, how do you think the police should respond to a speeding car riddled with bulletholes? Are you completely ignorant or something? They don't know who you are or if you were in some gang fight. Duh.

Well considering they didn't respond to a speeding car riddled with bulletholes...

They responded to a car riddled with bulletholes, there was no speeding involved near the hospital

 

[Driftster]

And listen dude..I understand that this is the rumble thread, and you have your opinion. But do me a favor? If you could have some respect you ****ing low life piece of ****. Like it or ****ing not he was a father and a good friend and good family member. So as for that comment you can take your honkey tonk viglante justice minute man self and think before you type you insensative *****

 

[G.T]

And listen dude..I understand that this is the rumble thread, and you have your opinion. But do me a favor? If you could have some respect you ****ing low life piece of ****. Like it or ****ing not he was a father and a good friend and good family member. So as for that comment you can take your honkey tonk viglante justice minute man self and think before you type you insensative *****

You better calm down there, I know you're going through a bad time but don't take it out on him.

I might have to agree with Solid Lifters, wreckless driving puts peoples lives at risk. He should have stopped when the police came before he done any more trouble.

 

[tabs]

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NO contact was ever made with the bike, the truck never CUt the bike off, the guy was just a complete moron.

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Ok, so let’s recap. Your cousin stole a truck, fled from the police, went over the speed limit, drove on the wrong side of the road, and broke into an airport. And yet, you’re calling the cop a moron?

You're kidding, right?

 

[Driftster]

Ok, so let’s recap. Your cousin stole a truck, fled from the police, went over the speed limit, drove on the wrong side of the road, and broke into an airport. And yet, you’re calling the cop a moron?

You're kidding, right?

Tabs..I think you're missing the point, no where did I say I thought my cousin was innocent of what he did. I never made any hint that he should go free. i think he should be locked up for a while, I think he needs to come to terms with "reality". But I'm not even going to go into anything deeper, because I can already see the responses i'd get and i'm really not in the mood for it.

 

[Solid Lifters]

You're right...Because 5 over the speed limit puts everyone in jeapardy...

So, who cares how fast he was going? I sure as hell don't! How many red lights, stop signs or yield signs did he run? How many crosswalks that had people in them did he blow past? How many cars did he pull out in front of? How many cars did he cut off? That's the important stuff.

I mean, feel free to watch the footage, it's all around. You'll see that his driving was yes "erratic" at one point, at the very start......Other than that, driving like your average person in a very slight hurry for work...

There is no chance in hell you can even compare an idiot on the run from the police to a person trying to get to work on time.

As for the airport....I don't know how YOU would respond, I don't know what kind of self preservation response you have in your body....
But when bullets start flying at me, my main goal isn't to STOP. Especially when it's the police firing. Considered police officers get away with murder all the time

Well, he put himself in that position. They were shooting at him to stop him. He obviously was a huge threat to the safety of many people. His life meant nothing at that point. He had no consideration for anybody else's life and was a great threat to life. So, how could it be murder if he was shot and killed at that point in time?

Your family should consider themselves lucky he's still alive.

 

[Driftster]

So, who cares how fast he was going? I sure as hell don't! How many red lights, stop signs or yield signs did he run?

0

How many crosswalks that had people in them did he blow past?

0

How many cars did he pull out in front of?

2 from the footage

How many cars did he cut off?

0

Yeah he was a huge threat to everybody that wasn't infront of him, everyone that wasn't working on the runway, everyone that wasn't in the crosswalks he didn't blow past. Skip the spike strip idea, skip the ramming technique....Let's shoot 20+ rounds, maybe we'll get lucky...

Oh we do consider him lucky that he's alive, because usually Phoenix police officers would have unloaded 4 times as many rounds towards the car, wether they hit it or not.
Just like the police officer who shot a woman 8 times from behind with her kid in the car because she was leaving a parking lot after a traffic stop and the officer "considered her a threat to his life" Funny thing is, she was traveling the opposite direction from the officer.

as for G.T. I don't care HOW right he was or not, if you're going to just let some **** like that fly that's 100% proof on how completely f'ed up this forum has got, I mean. I've seen people get banned for starting 3 simultanius threads...
I guess that's a worse offense than that, in the eyes of GTP..

 

[G.T]

Well they must have shot him for a reason, police only shoot if he was putting lives at risk. He must have done more than that.

 

[Driftster]

Well they must have shot him for a reason, police only shoot if he was putting lives at risk. He must have done more than that.

Well unless police are leaving out THAT Many details w/ the on scene report VS potential charges. That is the just of his offenses. Seriously, if you watch the video yes he was a threat at times.....A threat that called for lethal force? HARDLY...Like I said..The only time he was a "Threat" was the first 5 minutes, and that like i said was never a threat that required lethal force.


AS for the lady...Yeah, that was the cops excuse, and he got away with it...
That was the same excuse for the 2 police officers who shot the young man who was both deaf and retarded. He had a plastic rake in his hand and they kept saying "put down the rake"......Then they unloaded....They got away with that aswell,..

Police are SUPPOSED to shoot only when lives are at risk....In a perfect society that would be the case....
but there are cops that want to be hero's..
There are cops that abuse the power
There are cops that just have general animosity towards society...
And then there's cops who became police offers to protect and serve...

I've seen a few of the later.....but quite more of the abuse of powers and general animosities......

I mean to be SO desperate to shoot off a round that you fall off your bike, and the first reaction you have is to kneel back up and start shooting....

 

[Solid Lifters]

And listen dude..I understand that this is the rumble thread, and you have your opinion. But do me a favor? If you could have some respect you ****ing low life piece of ****.

Respect? You think I should respect a piece of crap that could have killed a lot of people just because, "he had problems?" Go to hell.

Like it or ****ing not he was a father and a good friend and good family member.

You are beyond absurd and ludicrous. I don't give a crap if he was the bloody king of England, let alone a father. He could have killed a lot of people! Why is that such a hard thing to for you to understand? Doesn't innocent life mean anything to you? Apparently not. Aferall, you are a "drifter".

So as for that comment you can take your honkey tonk viglante justice minute man self and think before you type you insensative *****

"Insenative?" I'm being insensitive? How can you say that? I'm looking out for the lives of innocent people. Your life! That's not "insensatve" dude. That's being called caring and protective. Don't pose as a threat to my life or the life of my family, and I wont have to kill you. It's as simple as that. If you can't get the meaning of that, then that's your problem.

 

[Driftster]

Oh he posed a threat to your family? Really? at what stage of the chase was this? Or was all this hypothetical and you're just judging this based on every other police chase you've seen....alright..good for you

Phoenix PD killed an average of 3.33 people per 1,000 officers, makin 2.5 times more likely to use deadly force than bigger cities like L.A. or New York. Phx officers shot and killed 23 people last year. That doesn't include the guy the Mesa officer Tazed to death.

You know what the ironic part of the chase was. A "innocent bystandard" that was doing a higher rate of speed than him, cut him off in an effort to get to the off ramp and almost cause a catastrphic accident.. THAT would have been a threat to you and your family. But I guess empty runways is where you let your kids play?

 

[a6m5]

I hate cops. I don't trust cops. Having said that, guy with warrants driving a stolen truck through a major airport(big "no no" after 9/11) is even worse.

I can imagine how you're feeling right now, so I won't go into it too much, out of respect to you. My feeling on this subject is pretty similar to solid lifter's, however.

 

[G.T]

I mean it’s natural for for you to be defensive for your cousin because you’re his cousin. Any normal person would do that. But in reality he was putting other lives at risk and that’s the main thing that should count.

Honestly, I do feel sorry for you Drifster, but your cousin was in the wrong.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Oh he posed a threat to your family? Really? at what stage of the chase was this? Or was all this hypothetical and you're just judging this based on every other police chase you've seen....alright..good for you

Phoenix PD killed an average of 3.33 people per 1,000 officers, makin 2.5 times more likely to use deadly force than bigger cities like L.A. or New York. Phx officers shot and killed 23 people last year. That doesn't include the guy the Mesa officer Tazed to death.

You know what the ironic part of the chase was. A "innocent bystandard" that was doing a higher rate of speed than him, cut him off in an effort to get to the off ramp and almost cause a catastrphic accident.. THAT would have been a threat to you and your family. But I guess empty runways is where you let your kids play?

I don't really care what the Phoenix PD in the past. The only thing that matters is this incident. You have to take these matters in a case by case basis. There are a lot of good cops, and some bad cops. There are good shoots, and bad shoots. I have been very judgmental of some police shootings, and I always will be if bad shootings occur.

But what happened to your cousin wasn't a bad shooting. The police where 100% justified in trying to shoot him. He needed to be stopped by any force necessary. And they used deadly force and it was completely justified.

And yes, I have seen a lot of high-speed chases and yes I do think that most should be stopped with deadly force. I've seen two people get killed on live TV when a stupid worthless bastard crashed into them while running from police. I've never seen a pursuit that ended with the driver getting completely away from officers. Running from police is pointless. Once you've crossed that line, your life needs to be taken inorder to keep innocent people safe.

 

[Driftster]

Oh I don't doubt my cousin was in the wrong...I did go off on a tangent and my bad if I tried to put my point across in an ascew way, but my point was more of the police blunders as apposed to "my cousin is innocent" thing...I know what he did was wrong, I know he's going to be gone for a long while, but that I understand...You see what i'm saying? Laying your bike down, only to fire shots....firing 20 shots near planes pulling guns on a bleeding teenager....shooting a middle aged lady for "supposedly" running into the officer, when he shot her from the driver window.....Shooting a deaf retarded man for not dropping a rake....

That's my point..not the cousin issue..

 

[Solid Lifters]

Oh I don't doubt my cousin was in the wrong...I did go off on a tangent and my bad if I tried to put my point across in an ascew way, but my point was more of the police blunders as apposed to "my cousin is innocent" thing...I know what he did was wrong, I know he's going to be gone for a long while, but that I understand...You see what i'm saying? Laying your bike down, only to fire shots....firing 20 shots near planes pulling guns on a bleeding teenager....shooting a middle aged lady for "supposedly" running into the officer, when he shot her from the driver window.....Shooting a deaf retarded man for not dropping a rake....

That's my point..not the cousin issue..

Granted, a garden rake isn't what I call a deadly weapon. I heard a case of a mentaly ill man who was shot for swinging a small branch with leaves at officers. Those are incidents which I see hardly as "justifiable" shootings. Like I said, there will be bad shootings. Cops today seem more like giant wimps with shooting incidents such as these.

But, a car is a deadly weapon. Use it to try to run over an officer, or put the public at risk in a high-speed pursuit, and you deserve to be shot and killed.

 

[a6m5]

I've known some cops personally, and some of those guys are real a** holes. Man, some of the things they talk about, brag about. I'm sure we've also seen cops being bullies, just because they can. And I'm not saying this, because I'm some trouble maker. I've never been in trouble with cops, ever.

I will respect them, because they have a very important jobs to do, but will always hate those "certain" cops.

In Driftster's cousin's case though, lets just say if I drive onto airport runway, while leading cops on a car chase, I know I'd probably get shot and killed.

 

[McLaren]

I know cops didn't pull guns out, but does anyone remember when that black man was beaten by 2 officiers who died in a hospital later on?

They said he was violent with a heart disease, but that was no excuse for the those cops to continuely beat him while he was down.

Same goes for a pickup chase a few months back. The man stopped, got on the ground was suddenly being punched and 1 officier kicked him on the ground.

I think those are the examples Driftster was trying to prove although with the pickup, I think the officier who kicked the man was suspended.

 

[Driftster]

Why can't we just work off of Hamarubai's law?...It would make things so much better....

 

[Solid Lifters]

Why can't we just work off of Hamarubai's law?...It would make things so much better....

You mean Hammurabi's law? You do realize a lot of them end with putting somebody to death? Your cousin would be one.

 

[Driftster]

Depended on who would have final say in the matter....if my cousin died, then the arresting officer would have to have his cousin killed...and i'd be fine with that..

And arn't you a stickler for spelling...

 

[ledhed]

The cops need to go to the range and improve their shooting skills. Every shot that missed went someplace not intended and was a danger to an innocent person . The guys lucky he's alive the cops were justified to use deadly force to stop him . Going to an airport in this day and age ? He's lucky they didnt shoot missles at his truck .

 

[Duke]

You get absolutely no support or sympathy from me.

Me either.

I challenge you to be a cop and make perfect snap decisions when faced with violent, dangerous and unpredictable activity.

Your cousin drove through a fence and then sped 100 mph down an airport runway. Suppose a plane had been coming in at that very moment? Suppose he had lost control of his pickup and hit one of the planes on the taxiway?

And if it wasn't your cousin, I challenge you to know that that person wasn't dangerous intentionally. He certainly was uniintentionally, regardless.

I'll tell you, I understand that you're upset by this situation, but if you go on a swearing jag like that again, you'll be looking for another for to complain in.

 

[CDailey]

You get absolutely no support or sympathy from me.

👍

Stop whining. Your cousin broke the law and he will be punished. Simple as that. If this was any other random person in the world, you wouldn't give a flyin' frig, would you?

As far as the cops pulling the guns on you at the hospital, that was uncalled for. But other than that, 👎

 

[194GVan]

guy with warrants driving a stolen truck through a major airport(big "no no" after 9/11) is even worse.

There ya go, thats why he got shot at. That and refusing to stop for the police. Safe chase or not, what did you expect? The police to politely follow him around all day until he runs out of gas?

I could be completely wrong, as I "dont know" what the police are like in Phoenix. If its so bad there then move.

Police approaching you when you had been shot in your M3? I think it would be easy to assume you might have been involved some sort of crime when theres bullet holes on your luxury sports car.

 

[Ev0]

Your cousin was wrong for breaking the law in the first place, and for actually believing he could outrun the cops. In a pickup. He's an idiot for actually believing he could get away.

The police were arguably even bigger idiots wrong for firing their guns at an airport, especially without any accuracy whatsoever. All it takes is one bullet to hit an aircraft. Bullet hits a turbine blade, it would destroy the blade (or blades given the speed they rotate at), and cause the engine to fail, possibly even set it on fire. Not good for an aircraft fully loaded with fuel. Or, a bullet could hit the fuselage. It's likely this wouldn't cause any problems for the aircraft, since the pilot would notice that the cabin has been depressurized, and obviously wouldn't take off. But, the bullet could go through the fuselage, and could possibly hit and kill a passenger or crew member.

Leaving debris on an airpoirt runway (missed bullets and shell casings) is incredibly dangerous; landing aircraft are travelling at very high speeds on takeoff and landings, so a tire blowout at such speeds would be extremely dangerous to the safety of everyone involved. So, I'd wager the entire airport had to be shut down so the runway could be cleared of such objects. And, if even one piece was missed, the consequences could be very deadly. And of course, a missed shot going along a runway would damage the tarmac, not a very good thing for aircraft.

Both parties are in the wrong I'm afraid.