Law Enforcement Disgusts me

[Kent]

Running from the police automatically puts you in the wrong.

Regardless of whether or not you are being pulled over for a valid reason, you should always pull over when the police tell you to.

Fact is, I don't like police- at all.

However, I understand the law to some extent.
If you run from the police you are instantly in the wrong.

More so if you are actually willing to break through a chain-link fence and attempt an escape through a restricted area of an airport.

Dude should just be glad he didn't try it in new orleans... Sure the police would shoot their guns just as in-accurately, but in the end they would have killed him for sure.

:corruptN.O.police: + :criminalactivity: = :triggerhappyidiots: & :deadcriminals:


Sorry, had to do it.

 

[Flame-returns]

Lets take a hypothetical situation shall we.

There is a 747-200 full of tourists that has just left the taxiway, it is on the runway and all engines are engaged, it is accelerating and is now approaching 70 knots, someone in a pickup truck crosses the runway hitting the landing gear and swerving into the wing, the pickup truck hits engine 4 blowing the jet, the plane which is now nearing 120 knots (taking off into the air) loses balance with one engine out, it arcs in a rough circle, the fire in engine 4 quickly encompases the plane blowing every other engine with it...

The plane goes down in a fireball and hits the earth only 300 feet below it, everyone is killed.

A 747, thats alot of people...

That is why we do not allow lunatics in pickup trucks on runways...

GOT THAT???

 

[Pupik]

Ok, so let’s recap. Your cousin stole a truck, fled from the police, went over the speed limit, drove on the wrong side of the road, and broke into an airport. And yet, you’re calling the cop a moron?

You're kidding, right?

How many white lines did he do first?

 

[Swift]

You know what urkes me about people whining about stuff like this? When it happens to a friend of theirs, "it's breaking the law, but not that bad" When it's someone they don't know, "Man, they're crazy! Lock them up!"

Now, your cousin STOLE a car. After that, the cops have no clue what reason he had for stealing it. Then he runs from them, like a total idiot. To a very public place and blasts onto a runway. That would be a great diversion for a terrorist plot(I'm not accusing your cousing of being a terrorist at all, I'm just making a point). Drives at speeds UNSAFE for a pickup truck and then finally stops.

Yeah, your cousin DESERVED to be shot at. You say he didn't cut anyone off or run any lights? How is that possibile? How could he not run any lights and the cops NOT catch him.

I can understand your cousin for your family, because it is your family. But don't try to justify his criminal activities by saying things like "He was only 5mph over the limit" After he stole the car, all bets are off...

I'm with Duke and others on this one. No sympathy here.

 

[katana87]

I do also agree with him being a threat to the public he could have ran over somebody and that would make matters worse. As for the cops I don't quite see a point in them shooting so many times in the airport runway. Those bullets that were fired could have ended up hurting the wrong person. I do find the Police officer falling off his bike pretty funny cause if you would fall you wouldn't just start to shoot all of a sudden. I think you would think more of what's hurting.

If you feel that you are completely correct then take this matter to court. Although I don't recommend it.

IA

 

[Joey D]

I agree with the cops on this one, they are in the full right to open fire on a fleeing suspect if they provide a risk. Like it was said breaking into an airport is a major concern, how did the cops know that he wasn't carrying a bomb? I have lots of respect for law enforcement, they put their ass on the line to keep yours safe. Sure they pull you over, but it's because that is there job. There are many officers in my family, one of my cousin's husband was killed in the line of duty when his crusier was slammed into from behind by a guy doing 120+ on the expressway.

99% of the time police officers are in the right.

 

[Flame-returns]

how did the cops know that he wasn't carrying a bomb?

In which case fireing on him would have made the matter worse, I still think that I have the best reason for the cops to fire on him (the one with lots of commas)

 

[xcsti]

Never in his post has driftster said his cousin was right, or that he shouldn't have been aprehended. All he said was that the police were also being reckless.

I don't think that this is nearly as bad as many scenarios. (I remember one where a girl was passed out, high on crack, in a locked car and officers pu 18 bullets into her when they thought they saw her reach over to what looked like a gun) I would reccomend you just be happy that he is going to be ok (even if he was grazed) and be happy the military didn't get involved in order to protect the airport.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

From what I'm hearing Phoenix cops are complete morons. But I doubt that, I haven't seen the footage so I don't what exactly they did wrong to your cousin. But what i think is that you might just be overreacting a tad bit. And this might result from your past experiance with the cops at the hospital (and those ones were idiots.). But as i see it your brother stole a car, and it became a car chase and it should have been ended with a PIT monuveaur or something while your cousin was going 60 or whatever. But when he got into the airport I don't see a reason to start shooting at the car. It's so...I don't know, it was stupid it was only going to panic him. And as for the biker guy, that was a stupid charge. But the cops shouldn't have shot at him.

 

[Famine]

In which case fireing on him would have made the matter worse

How?

 

[Flame-returns]

If the bomb was on trigger the "terrorist" could have triggered it in response. If the car flipped or was blown up the explosion could have triggered the bomb. (Not sure about this one but) if the bomb was chemical (say potassium) couldnt the bullet and associated heat triggered it?

 

[Famine]

You've been watching too many films...

In any of your hypotheticals, it wouldn't have mattered if they'd been shooting or not - terrorist carbomb? He'd be looking for a good place to blow it. You CAN flip a truck while driving recklessly without being shot at. And in many cases only a direct strike from the bullet on the explosive used would trigger the bomb - and in many cases with professional bombs not even that would happen. Most nukes can survive a point-blank high velocity rifle round to the detonator and not blow (although they are REALLY professional weapons, designed so they only go off exactly when you want them to).

Still, as you point out. Loony on a runway doing 100mph - I'd have shot him.

 

[Flame-returns]

Remember terrorists are not using advanced bombs with metal casing, mostly dynamite (sp?) and plastic explosives.

I have also just realised that potassium would be too reactive for a bomb unless you were driving very slowly with a sort of uber water clock.

 

[Famine]

Dynamite would withstand a handgun round from near range. C4... probably wouldn't, but a terrorist would be unlikely to use it.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Dynamite would withstand a handgun round from near range. C4... probably wouldn't, but a terrorist would be unlikely to use it.

The guy in the car...nut case. Didn't he see the police following him...I don't know.

Even when you set fire to C4 it doesn't explode, I wouldn't try it but that is one of the reasons it makes such a good explosive, it's incredibly stable. It only detonates with an electrical spark which creates a very very high temp.

Once dynamite has been exposed to moisture it can explode when dropped.

 

[xcsti]

Once dynamite has been exposed to moisture it can explode when dropped.

Or if it is real ancient stuff (but then again thats just a matter of moisture in the air slowly seeping in).

 

[smellysocks12]

You get absolutely no support or sympathy from me. I think you cousin should have been shot dead, that piece of crap. Anybody who runs from the police and puts regular citizen lives at jeopardy deseves a 230 grain .45 cal slug in the head.

Justice should be in a court room, not on the streets. They were able to capture him alive, so that's what they did. When saying that everyone who makes a mistake in life should get shot in the head you are just showing that you're a numbminded trigger happy redneck with no sense about the purpose of having laws. While I agree that the first poster's cousin was wrong and should be punished for his actions, simply wishing death on someone is sickening. You make me sick.



Not to mention we don't even know the details, the guy obviously needed help with some problems, but received it too late, which made him resort to these type of actions.

 

[a6m5]

Smelly: I hear what you're saying, but if you're criminal and you run from cops, you've already surrendered your life at that point, as far as I'm concerned.

Let's say you are the officer chasing this stolen truck. After miles(I don't know the exact length of the "chase") of car chase, the driver(remember, stolen truck) drives over the fence of the international airport, into the restricted area of the airport. At this point, I do wish that cop would take out the driver. Why? Because it's better him than potential innocent victims. I'd rather have the criminal stopped right there, before he ran over airport ground crews, or possibly getting in the way of plane that's taking off or landing.

I don't want to see any innocent people injured or killed because of some foolish criminals. Maybe Solid Lifter got little emotional and may have worded it wrong, but the criminal really should've been taken out IMO. Priority shouldn't be the safe capture of the criminal. When the criminal's action starts risking the lives of innocent people, that criminal should be taken out.

 

[The359]

You, sir, are a complete and utter idiot whose opinion is equal to that of a three year old when it comes to statements regarding the police.

Not only that, but you are a LIAR.

http://www.phoenix360.com/news/index.asp?did=19642#

Please people, watch the 5 videos linked at the bottom of the article. You will notice that various parts of Driftster's story is BS.

First, he drove past nearly a half dozen loaded planes! He deserves to be shot at!

Second, your cousin is speeding down the runway with NO ONE BEHIND HIM. Nor is anyone shooting at him while driving down the runway. The only time they shot at him was at the end of the chase, and to stop him from breaking down the fence in the first place. Your eyewitnesses that saw 20 rounds are full of crap.

Third, your cousin cut off the motorcycle. Not only that, but a cop on a motorcycle is NOT going to be shooting his gun while driving down the highway. In fact I call complete and utter BS to your claim that officers were firing as well, since they were way out of range and near loaded aircraft. But if you think your cousin wasn't pulling an aggrevated assault on the officer by cutting him off and causing him to fall, then you're an idiot.

Finally, there is no proof anywhere in that article that A) Your cousin was doing the speed limit the entire time, B) Your cousin did not run any red lights or cross the road more then once, and C) How many people he endangered.

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Your second case is just sheer stupidity on your part. A nice car with bullet holes speeding away from the scene where people know shots have been fired? You're a moron if you think the police are automatically going to think you're innocent because you pulled into a hospital. ESPECIALLY since I bet $100 that they were following you on the way to the hospital and you didn't stop.

No, what's bad is NOT the fact that the police get tax money and are in charge of protecting you and others, what's wrong is the fact that you're ignorant enough to act like they are in the wrong.

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You deserve nothing more then to be laughed off of this forum, in my brutally honest opinion.

YOU disgust me.

 

[xcsti]

Authorities said Holmes faces several felony charges including aggravated assault on police officers...

No wonder they were shooting

 

[smellysocks12]

Guns should always be a last resort, when it's a direct life threatening situation they should be used. They should have aimed at his tires or used spike strips (even though that's kinda hard on a runway). Also moves like the P.I.T. were invented to end these type of situations without killing anyone. Sure, if you run from police you give up your freedom, but to give up your life is nonsense. People can panic and resort to desperate action which they will regret later on. A bullet in the head is out of proportion in a situation like this.


Now if he would have killed a family and held someone hostage I can see that a bullet in the head might be the most effective way to end the hostage situation, it would be a well deserved bullet. Anyone with a little sense knows that this doesn't put people in any more danger than a drunk driver would.




By the way, I don't think any unnecessary violence was applied in this situation, I just don't like the remark saying that the guy deserves a bullet in the head.

 

[a6m5]

Guns should always be a last resort, when it's a direct life threatening situation they should be used. They should have aimed at his tires or used spike strips (even though that's kinda hard on a runway). Also moves like the P.I.T. were invented to end these type of situations without killing anyone. Sure, if you run from police you give up your freedom, but to give up your life is nonsense. People can panic and resort to desperate action which they will regret later on. A bullet in the head is out of proportion in a situation like this.


Now if he would have killed a family and held someone hostage I can see that a bullet in the head might be the most effective way to end the hostage situation, it would be a well deserved bullet. Anyone with a little sense knows that this doesn't put people in any more danger than a drunk driver would.

I still disagree, especially the part about how the guy was no more dangerous than a drunk driver. I don't think that's a valid comparison. Most drunk drivers will get home safely, some runs down mother and daughter walking down the side of the road. I don't know about your country, but in the States, you hear story like that all the time. Good people getting paralyzed for rest of their lives, losing their siblings, parents. Really sucks.

Sorry to drift off the topic. I will respect your opinion on this, but I still can't agree with you.

 

[inferno]

He fled from the cops, however durring his chase he never went over the speed of 70MPH the posted limit is 65, that was on the highway. He never went over 45MPH down "indian school" which is where the chase initially took place. The posted limit is 40.......The most wreckless act he did was go into oncomming traffic on ONE occassion, however there was no traffic. A Semi was making a left handed turn and he went around. Other than that he for the most part stayed in his lanes ETC ETC ETC. Once the vehicle arrived at the airport he broke through a chain link fence, this chain link fence led into the area where the luggage cars are serviced.

It was at this point when the police began to open fire.

Oh, I see. So all he did was use a stollen truck to break into a restricted area at an airport. Ok thats nothing. IDIOT!

I'm sorry, i know it's been covered a hundred times allready in this thread but this is so stupid I just cant contain myself.

One, he stole a car! Honestly, that speaks for itself.

Two, he forcefully entered a limited access area for employees only! My mom used to work at an airport. She had to have a little badge that gets scanned and a pass code just to get into work every night. All she did was drive a forklift in the luggage area.

Of course they began shooting at him! for al they knew the airport was his origional destination anyway. and that he was there to do something intentionaly.

Three, even though, as far as we know, he wasent there to do something, he was speeding around several loaded plains which were also moving, and any of which he could have hit. he was also driving, no, speeding on a runway where plains were attempting to land! with the thousands of lives he put in danger it's so far beyond me how you could think the cops were wrong for shooting at him.

[EDIT]
if in fact they were even shooting at him. and as it would seem he did commit quite a few offenses either your not telling us or he's not telling you.

 

[a6m5]

You, sir, are a complete and utter idiot whose opinion is equal to that of a three year old when it comes to statements regarding the police.

Not only that, but you are a LIAR.

http://www.phoenix360.com/news/index.asp?did=19642#

Please people, watch the 5 videos linked at the bottom of the article. You will notice that various parts of Driftster's story is BS.

First, he drove past nearly a half dozen loaded planes! He deserves to be shot at!

Second, your cousin is speeding down the runway with NO ONE BEHIND HIM. Nor is anyone shooting at him while driving down the runway. The only time they shot at him was at the end of the chase, and to stop him from breaking down the fence in the first place. Your eyewitnesses that saw 20 rounds are full of crap.

Third, your cousin cut off the motorcycle. Not only that, but a cop on a motorcycle is NOT going to be shooting his gun while driving down the highway. In fact I call complete and utter BS to your claim that officers were firing as well, since they were way out of range and near loaded aircraft. But if you think your cousin wasn't pulling an aggrevated assault on the officer by cutting him off and causing him to fall, then you're an idiot.

Finally, there is no proof anywhere in that article that A) Your cousin was doing the speed limit the entire time, B) Your cousin did not run any red lights or cross the road more then once, and C) How many people he endangered.

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Your second case is just sheer stupidity on your part. A nice car with bullet holes speeding away from the scene where people know shots have been fired? You're a moron if you think the police are automatically going to think you're innocent because you pulled into a hospital. ESPECIALLY since I bet $100 that they were following you on the way to the hospital and you didn't stop.

No, what's bad is NOT the fact that the police get tax money and are in charge of protecting you and others, what's wrong is the fact that you're ignorant enough to act like they are in the wrong.

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You deserve nothing more then to be laughed off of this forum, in my brutally honest opinion.

YOU disgust me.

Good work, 359. I figured as much.......

I wouldn't be so hard on him though. It's not like he commited those crime, and it is his cousin, after all.

 

[ledhed]

You, sir, are a complete and utter idiot whose opinion is equal to that of a three year old when it comes to statements regarding the police.

Not only that, but you are a LIAR.

http://www.phoenix360.com/news/index.asp?did=19642#

Please people, watch the 5 videos linked at the bottom of the article. You will notice that various parts of Driftster's story is BS.

First, he drove past nearly a half dozen loaded planes! He deserves to be shot at!

Second, your cousin is speeding down the runway with NO ONE BEHIND HIM. Nor is anyone shooting at him while driving down the runway. The only time they shot at him was at the end of the chase, and to stop him from breaking down the fence in the first place. Your eyewitnesses that saw 20 rounds are full of crap.

Third, your cousin cut off the motorcycle. Not only that, but a cop on a motorcycle is NOT going to be shooting his gun while driving down the highway. In fact I call complete and utter BS to your claim that officers were firing as well, since they were way out of range and near loaded aircraft. But if you think your cousin wasn't pulling an aggrevated assault on the officer by cutting him off and causing him to fall, then you're an idiot.

Finally, there is no proof anywhere in that article that A) Your cousin was doing the speed limit the entire time, B) Your cousin did not run any red lights or cross the road more then once, and C) How many people he endangered.

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Your second case is just sheer stupidity on your part. A nice car with bullet holes speeding away from the scene where people know shots have been fired? You're a moron if you think the police are automatically going to think you're innocent because you pulled into a hospital. ESPECIALLY since I bet $100 that they were following you on the way to the hospital and you didn't stop.

No, what's bad is NOT the fact that the police get tax money and are in charge of protecting you and others, what's wrong is the fact that you're ignorant enough to act like they are in the wrong.

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You deserve nothing more then to be laughed off of this forum, in my brutally honest opinion.

YOU disgust me.

👍

 

[The359]

Good work, 359. I figured as much.......

I wouldn't be so hard on him though. It's not like he commited those crime, and it is his cousin, after all.

He deserves every bit of it if he's going to lie to try and bash the police for doing their damn job in nabbing his idiot cousin.

 

[smellysocks12]

Yeah, I'm sure that with 4 bullets in your body the first thing in your mind will be keeping the speed limit and try to drive slowly to the hospital nice and quietly without disturbing the neighborhood. Hell, why not first drive by a mcDonald's and grab a burger for the ride to the hospital. The holes in your body will at least have to be filled up with SOMETHING. Those bullet holes won't go away if you get there a little later, so why the rush?

</sarcasm>

Nothing stupid on his part in the 2nd story. If someone is full with bullets you can tell as a police officer that someone doesn't have much of a fight in him.

Guy with bullets in a gun = dangerous...

Guy with bullets in body = IN danger...


^^ pretty simple



And about shooting at him. Even if he did deserve the bullet it would still be retarded to shoot on an airport. What if you accidently hit a fueling tank of a plane getting refilled with kerosine and see over 200 people go up in flames because of it. That is more dangerous than driving on a runway, because even if you panic I'm sure a plane is big enough to see on time and avoid.

 

[Iceman]

He's only driving 10 feet from planes filled with innocent passengers and tons of jet fuel, by all means, they should have just let him drive out of the airport and on his merry way 👍

 

[smellysocks12]

He's only driving 10 feet from planes filled with innocent passengers and tons of jet fuel, by all means, they should have just let him drive out of the airport and on his merry way 👍

No, the way they did it was correct. I assume they didn't shoot at him on the runway, but before that?

 

[The359]

Yeah, I'm sure that with 4 bullets in your body the first thing in your mind will be keeping the speed limit and try to drive slowly to the hospital nice and quietly without disturbing the neighborhood. Hell, why not first drive by a mcDonald's and grab a burger for the ride to the hospital. The holes in your body will at least have to be filled up with SOMETHING. Those bullet holes won't go away if you get there a little later, so why the rush?

I never said anything about driving slow. I suggest you try reading my post slowly before you start commenting.

</sarcasm>

Nothing stupid on his part in the 2nd story. If someone is full with bullets you can tell as a police officer that someone doesn't have much of a fight in him.

Guy with bullets in a gun = dangerous...

Guy with bullets in body = IN danger...

It usually takes two to tango in a gun fight. It didn't in this case, but in most cases where cars are all shot up, it's usually a two way battle. The cops clearly have no clue WHO had a gun, WHO was firing, and WHO was an innocent victim, so to be completely ignorant and do nothing is stupid on their part.

Not only that, but if he can drive a car to a hospital with 4 bullets, he can sure as hell draw a gun and shoot a cop with those same 4 bullets in him.

He's an ignorant child if he thinks the police are in the wrong for surrounding his car and pulling their guns on him, as are you.

And about shooting at him. Even if he did deserve the bullet it would still be retarded to shoot on an airport. What if you accidently hit a fueling tank of a plane getting refilled with kerosine and see over 200 people go up in flames because of it. That is more dangerous than driving on a runway, because even if you panic I'm sure a plane is big enough to see on time and avoid.

As pointed out, no one shot at him on the runway. In fact, the only time the vehicle was shot at was when it was moving slowly, either taking out the first fence or stopped and stuck in the 2nd fence.

Aiming at that sort of range with that slow moving of a vehicle is easy enough, the police had every right to make every shot they could at this moron.