"Legalized" in Colorado.

[Roger the Horse]

Good for Colorado, acting rationally in an irrational world.

 

[mister dog]

If by calmer you mean less attentive, slowed reactions and poorer coordination. Just because you think you can drive fine under the influence doesn't mean you actually are driving well. You're not just endangering yourself when you drive poorly.

Nope that's not what I meant. I am not endangering anyone driving after I smoked. It has nothing in common with alcohol -like drunk effects which are indeed dangerous behind the wheel...

 

[CinnamonOD]

I see CarBastard's point perfectly

I live in another third world country that is getting ruined by power hungry druglords and corrupt politicians, now imagine living in one of the cities with the worst problems of drugs...

Living in a very problematic city like Tijuana is a nightmare, imagine walking on the street and 4 out of 10 people you see are homeless or drugged/alcoholic people; every three or four days, you watch the police closing an area because a person has been killed there, with the still uncovered corpse; Live with the fear that "they" confuse you with somebody that owe something to them, kill you in that place or kidnap you to then be tortured and killed; being mugged, being caught in a firefight with the fear of being hit (I've been in this situation five times, only this situation, fortunately)

There's no way to win a war on drugs, the army and the federal police can not deal with the drug cartels, they can take a city at once and replenish all drug trafficking... for a day or two, they kill drug dealers, hitmen, not-so-powerful druglords, but, you know what?, there are like a thousand to replace that killed man... Why?


This the first thing I saw, there are alot of amateur performers, and when I say a lot, it is because they are like thousands

People is given a fake panorama of how would your life be like if you succeed in the bussiness of drug dealing, and taking in mind that more than 60% of the people here is poor, and that most people listen to this, make your guesstimates of how many people enter that bussines and end up killed, dissappeared (You'd most likely be found dead) or in jail, they only care about money "y se la rifan"...

All of this, mixed with riots everywhere, PRI, the Knights Templar (An anti-drug cartel organization of hitmen, which is way more effective than the army and police) and civilian police, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of armed conflict by the end of this year or in the next, I hope it does not...

All of this because the government is not focusing in anything else than this stupidity, which can resolved just by signing a few bunch of papers...

 

[CC570]

Those of you who say smoking weed doesn't have a deleterious effect on your driving are deluded and irresponsible.
The biggest benefit to society of legalizing drugs, is in the cost saved by not incarcerating people for possession, and in the revenue from income taxes by these people being able to be successful and gainfully employed.
I hope that Colorado and Washington are simply the first of fifty.

 

[Grayfox]

(Including not knowing whether a Nissan Micra was 4 wheel drive.

It has 4 wheels doesn't it or is it like an old midget?
4 wheels drive with the car
2 Propel the car

 

[DOUQA]

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[CC570]

So no, I am not deluded.

Respectfully, I beg to differ. Trusted or not, safe or not, being high affects your driving. Smoking marijuana affects your coordination, your reflexes, your judgement and decision making. Experienced smokers know this as truth, some might not admit it but they know it.

 

[DOUQA]

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[Famine]

The vast majority of people who think cannabis impairs your driving are people who don't smoke it.

Conversely the vast majority of people who think it doesn't are people who DO smoke it.

Meanwhile, people who study it impartially (scientists) say it does - proving once again that majority opinion and personal testimony do not make for sound conclusions.

 

[DOUQA]

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[Azuremen]

And they are the experts on the subject. You need to experience it to know what effect it has.

You mean while they explain some conspiracy theory and discuss "stoner" ideas? Sorry, but THC does impact how your brain works (or else you wouldn't get high) and just like booze, it depends on how much you have and the quality. You can take a few a hits and drive fine, just like having a few beers and drive fine (some people at least) but you can also smoke so much that conversation isn't possible, let alone remembering what you are doing for any sustained period. Even people that smoke daily have limits that can be exceeded.

The claim you drive better high is just silly, much like people claim they drive better after a few beers.

 

[Famine]

And they are the experts on the subject.

Nope. The experts are the people who study it.

People who smoke weed are experts only in the effect it has on them - and they're non-credible experts because their experimentation has no merit and their conclusions are unsound.

You need to experience it to know what effect it has.

Really?

That renders the largest part of the entire field of pharmacology completely irrelevant.

I understand that reaction times may increase on it and that can be accurately measured by scientists, but there is so much more required to drive safely on the road, chiefly concentration.

I wonder... do you think NO scientist has ever taken drugs, driven or both at the same time?


I also wonder what you think about drink driving. Is it enough to study it properly or do you have to have a skinful and get behind the wheel to know what effect it has?

Cannabis use has a delitirious effect on driving. You might think it didn't in the quantities you used for the time you were driving, but that's irrelevant.

 

[DOUQA]

Of course scientists have taken drugs and driven but I'd be interested to know how many such scientists also carried out studies on the effects of that behaviour.

A third party can learn a lot about the effects of a drug by studying a subject who is under the influence but no amount of study or experiment or brain scans can ever show anyone completely how it feels and the effect it has on your MIND.

Alcohol has no relevance in this conversation as it's effects are nothing like cannabis.

Azuremen, I don't know what you've been smoking but I have never been so high that conversation isn't possible. Maybe I was never getting good s***?

I can't speak for anyone else so I won't try but no one, not you guys or any amount of scientists will ever convince me that I drove worse while high, different yes, but certainly not worse. I know cos I was there.

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Out of interest, why not?

It's not any worse for you than alcohol. Both are mildly beneficial in small doses. Arguably it's better for society because stereotypically stoned people don't go out smashing stuff and getting into fights, they sit on the couch and eat chips.

It's one of those where there's not really any particular reason for it to be illegal other than that's the historical precedent.

Yea, ask any cop what they'd rather deal with. A stoned person or a drunk person. They're going to say stoned person every time. The guy crazy on Tequilla is unpredictable. The guy who smoked a joint just wants a bag of Cheetos.

 

[Famine]

Of course scientists have taken drugs and driven but I'd be interested to know how many such scientists also carried out studies on the effects of that behaviour.

It's not relevant.

A third party can learn a lot about the effects of a drug by studying a subject who is under the influence but no amount of study or experiment or brain scans can ever show anyone completely how it feels and the effect it has on your MIND.

Turns out it can.

Alcohol has no relevance in this conversation as it's effects are nothing like cannabis.

Ah, but how do you know? Have you got tanked up and driven? You need to experience it to know what effect it has... apparently.

I can't speak for anyone else so I won't try but no one, not you guys or any amount of scientists will ever convince me that I drove worse while high, different yes, but certainly not worse. I know cos I was there.

Well, let's hope you were of sound mind when you were there, and not on any dr... oh.

 

[DOUQA]

Ok Famine you are correct. Sorry.

 

[Azuremen]

Azuremen, I don't know what you've been smoking but I have never been so high that conversation isn't possible. Maybe I was never getting good s***?

Where do you live, and have you ever dabbed?

I can't speak for anyone else so I won't try but no one, not you guys or any amount of scientists will ever convince me that I drove worse while high, different yes, but certainly not worse. I know cos I was there.

All this means is you, apparently, don't focus on driving very much when sober.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

As much as it pains me to say this, let's keep the whole driving while high thing in Gran Turismo. I don't care what anyone says, being high while driving is more dangerous than being sober. Slower reaction times, lack of focus, inability to quit laughing at the pug with his head out the window in the other lane...

 

[Danoff]

As much as it pains me to say this, let's keep the whole driving while high thing in Gran Turismo. I don't care what anyone says, being high while driving is more dangerous than being sober. Slower reaction times, lack of focus, inability to quit laughing at the pug with his head out the window in the other lane...

Agreed, as with any recreational or even prescription drug. There is absolutely no reason to treat marijuana philosophically differently than anything that can slow you reaction times or impair your judgement... even old age.

 

[OwensRacing]

A drunk driver is far more risky and dangerous then a stoned driver. Anyone that argues this has no experience in both drugs.

I've seen people do things drunk that you could not get them to do by gun point stoned.

Let me edit this and state. I don't condone impaired driving of any sorts. If you need to drink or smoke. Stay home!

 

[XS]

Honestly, I'm really getting tired of it, already. The number of people here for it is absolutely insane. I got stuck in a traffic jam on a main artery road through north Denver only to see that it wasn't a traffic jam, it was a line of cars waiting to get in one of the dispensaries. Also, the way people are treating this new "freedom" is absolutely absurd. One of the most ground breaking laws of contemporary America just got passed and people are still complaining and protesting. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. People aren't satisfied that they can consume in private. People are suing bars because they can't smoke inside (if you can't smoke tobacco in a public establishment why the hell should you be able to smoke weed?), people are protesting and complaining that they can't get high in public (once again, if you can't walk down the street drinking a bottle of whiskey, why should you be able to walk down the street with a joint?), so-on, and so-forth. It's like many people never realized there were restrictions to this law, and now that they're being punished for breaking those restrictions it's some huge human rights violation.

 

[OwensRacing]

/\ needs to smoke a bowl! LMAO Relax man. While what you say is valid. Don't get so wound up.

Surely there is a large amount of those smokers that do stay home and understand and respect the ability to use and don't not plan to burden anyone.

Some people are just ignorant. Those that expect to smoke in public or establishments that don't allow smoking tobacco are obviously lacking clear thoughts.

I blame this type of mentality on the entitled generation. They never grew up and seem to think the world revolves around them and owes them.

 

[Danoff]

Honestly, I'm really getting tired of it, already. The number of people here for it is absolutely insane. I got stuck in a traffic jam on a main artery road through north Denver only to see that it wasn't a traffic jam, it was a line of cars waiting to get in one of the dispensaries.

Traffic jams occur for many reasons - ever tried to drive near a football stadium on game day?

Also, the way people are treating this new "freedom" is absolutely absurd. One of the most ground breaking laws of contemporary America just got passed and people are still complaining and protesting. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. People aren't satisfied that they can consume in private. People are suing bars because they can't smoke inside (if you can't smoke tobacco in a public establishment why the hell should you be able to smoke weed?), people are protesting and complaining that they can't get high in public (once again, if you can't walk down the street drinking a bottle of whiskey, why should you be able to walk down the street with a joint?), so-on, and so-forth. It's like many people never realized there were restrictions to this law, and now that they're being punished for breaking those restrictions it's some huge human rights violation.

Do you think legalization was put in place to prevent protesting?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

As much as it pains me to say this, let's keep the whole driving while high thing in Gran Turismo. I don't care what anyone says, being high while driving is more dangerous than being sober. Slower reaction times, lack of focus, inability to quit laughing at the pug with his head out the window in the other lane...

Best reply in here IMO. If you are not sober while driving, you are not sober while driving.

 

[Azuremen]

A drunk driver is far more risky and dangerous then a stoned driver. Anyone that argues this has no experience in both drugs.

I would agree with this bit as drunk people are way more prone to emotional outbursts and over confidence. Stoned people just tend to be passive when in doubt and are far less aggressive.

 

[DonJo76]

Hmmm, tried to figure out if i would or would not reply to this thread.
Im from the netherlands, where smoking mary is legalized (not fully, but its hard to explain in english).
I have been smoking for ages. The first nearsest shop is only 8 minutes away.
To be honest, just been sober for EXACTLY 2months and 2 days as we speak.(almost 2 months and 3 days yeah!!!!)
The first time i tried i was only 15 years old.
If i have to choose besides smoking or drinking, i can tell you that alcohol have very different effect on you than smoking.
With alcohol (just a few) can make you very indifferent, doing things that you shouldnt do, example driving way beyond your capability, the feeling your bigger than you really are.
When feeling high its just the opposite.
I have never ever made a mistake in driving where i had smoked before i got in to my car.
Now thats probably or could be because in all the years you get used to the high.
You can not compare these 2 things.
Not saying that its ok to be high and driving.
But there is a very big difference between these 2 things.

I had my driving license since i was 22, and have a total of 3 accidents.
1 envolved alcohol, nobody was hurt, exept my ego and my boss his transporter.
2 accidents happend, because i was not fully awake ( i have to get up for work at 05:00)
My perception is even less when not fully awake than when i smoked a tjapie.

About the long term efects of smoking being foggie or not fully understand is rediculous.
Pm me and i can tell you exactly what the long term effects are.

 

[Danoff]

I had my driving license since i was 22, and have a total of 3 accidents.
1 envolved alcohol, nobody was hurt, exept my ego and my boss his transporter.
2 accidents happend, because i was not fully awake ( i have to get up for work at 05:00)
My perception is even less when not fully awake than when i smoked a tjapie.

All 3 of your accidents involved you putting yourself in an impaired condition behind the wheel of an automobile. You didn't just do it once, you did it three times. You need to realize that smoking weed, being drunk, and being tired all do the same thing - increase your reaction time and impair your judgement. I don't care if it feels different or if your personality is different on different drugs or amounts of sleep. All of them constitute impairment.

 

[DonJo76]

All 3 of your accidents involved you putting yourself in an impaired condition behind the wheel of an automobile. You didn't just do it once, you did it three times. You need to realize that smoking weed, being drunk, and being tired all do the same thing - increase your reaction time and impair your judgement. I don't care if it feels different or if your personality is different on different drugs or amounts of sleep. All of them constitute impairment.

I dont think you get the whole picture here.
If you really think someone can be stoned, drunk 24 hours a day, you need to think again.

edit. everyone who have to work for 12-14 hours a day, and with working i mean working in construction or working with your hands and have a social life is at leas a little bit tired.
If you day begins at 5 am and coming home at 19:00 o clock, than dinner and shower, social life. if that doesnt make you at least a bit tired, than i dont know what your life is al about, but definatly not hard working....

 

[Danoff]

I dont think you get the whole picture here.
If you really think someone can be stoned, drunk 24 hours a day, you need to think again.

Are you stoned right now?

 

[mister dog]

Are you stoned right now?

Yes i am!