"Legalized" in Colorado.

[DonJo76]

Yes!

LOL!

All 3 of your accidents involved you putting yourself in an impaired condition behind the wheel of an automobile. You didn't just do it once, you did it three times. You need to realize that smoking weed, being drunk, and being tired all do the same thing - increase your reaction time and impair your judgement. I don't care if it feels different or if your personality is different on different drugs or amounts of sleep. All of them constitute impairment.

everyone who have to work for 12-14 hours a day, and with working i mean working in construction or working with your hands and have a social life is at leas a little bit tired.
If you day begins at 5 am and coming home at 19:00 o clock, than dinner and shower, social life. if that doesnt make you at least a bit tired, than i dont know what your life is al about, but definatly not hard working....

 

[Famine]

If you day begins at 5 am and coming home at 19:00 o clock, than dinner and shower, social life. if that doesnt make you at least a bit tired, than i dont know what your life is al about, but definatly not hard working....

If my tiredness kept making me have car crashes, I'd probably look at ditching the things I didn't have to do, before I had a crash big enough to kill someone. A "social life" is wholly optional.

 

[Danoff]

everyone who have to work for 12-14 hours a day, and with working i mean working in construction or working with your hands and have a social life is at leas a little bit tired.
If you day begins at 5 am and coming home at 19:00 o clock, than dinner and shower, social life. if that doesnt make you at least a bit tired, than i dont know what your life is al about, but definatly not hard working....

If you go to work at 5, come home at 19, eat, shower, and decide to go back out to have fun instead of getting enough rest to make sure that you're safe to drive and work the next day, you're putting yourself and those around you at unnecessary risk and need to re-evaluate your lifestyle. Construction work is an especially bad place to be groggy.

 

[DonJo76]

If my tiredness kept making me have car crashes, I'd probably look at ditching the things I didn't have to do, before I had a crash big enough to kill someone. A "social life" is wholly optional.

I had three car crashes in 17 years, in a very little country where we have traffic jams every single day.
I dont consider this making car crashes on a regular account

 

[Danoff]

I had three car crashes in 17 years, in a very little country where we have traffic jams every single day.
I dont consider this making car crashes everyday.

Strive for 0 car accidents that are the result of you intentionally putting yourself in a dangerous situation from now on.

 

[Famine]

I had three car crashes in 17 years, in a very little country where we have traffic jams every single day.
I dont consider this making car crashes on a regular account

And all of your crashes you put down to your own impairment...

 

[watermelon punch]

As I said I don't smoke it. There are lots of reasons why I wanted to stop, road safety was definitely not one if them. I drive like a **** now.


And they are the experts on the subject. You need to experience it to know what effect it has.

I understand that reaction times may increase on it and that can be accurately measured by scientists, but there is so much more required to drive safely on the road, chiefly concentration.

Sorry for DP.

By your thinking - you will never get life-saving heart surgery unless you can get a surgeon who has a heart condition and has gotten the surgery himself?

And actually, according to studies, the biggest indicator of whether or not someone will have accidents is their attitude toward road safety.

Negative attitudes against road regulations & laws, and negative attitudes about following them for safety, are bigger indicators that someone will be in accidents.


Oh, and 3 crashes are a lot.
MOST people (something like 70% of drivers) never have any accidents at all.

My mother's been driving since the mid 1950s, and she's only been in 2 minor accidents not her fault.
1 was a big truck that in the rain was going too fast, hydroplaned and clipped off her side mirror.
The other was when she first started driving (in 1954) - a car in front of her slid backwards into her - it was snowing and they were all stopped at a traffic light or stop sign at the top of a little hill.
(60+ years, and less than 3 accidents)

I've been driving since 2000. 1 accident I had someone pulled out into traffic in front of me, I swerved to avoid them and hit a parked car instead (if I had hit the people who pulled out in front of me, I would've t-boned him in the driver's side door, and his pregnant wife was in the passenger side) - there was no way for me to stop in time the way they pulled out from a side alley into traffic.
I've also never had a moving violation.
I've also never driven under the influence of anything - not even cold medicine.

 

[mister dog]

@Danoff and @Famine: Never crashed a car?

 

[Famine]

Yep. Most recently when a driver decided to swerve into my lane (at 70mph) as I was alongside him to prevent me from passing him.

May as well stay up all night with a big fat blunt, eh?

 

[watermelon punch]

@Danoff and @Famine: Never crashed a car?

What difference does that make?

I once met a guy who'd crashed cars at least a dozen times. He had an amputation after one major accident.
And he fully acknowledged his crashes were due to driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol or whatever.

Not saying that @Danoff or @Famine can relate to that at all, obviously.
But the point being that there are plenty of people who admit they've been in accidents because of drugs &/or alcohol usage. And there were a lot of people that those people crashed into, who were doing nothing wrong at all & were in the accident as an innocent not at fault.

 

[mister dog]

Yep. Most recently when a driver decided to swerve into my lane as I was alongside him to prevent me from passing him.

May as well stay up all night with a big fat blunt, eh?

Indeed, as long as you get enough sleep and drive away sober the next morning. I don't think much stoners wake up before going to work in the morning, and the first thing they do is light a J

There is no hangover from it like you have with booze.

 

[watermelon punch]

Yep. Most recently when a driver decided to swerve into my lane (at 70mph) as I was alongside him to prevent me from passing him.

May as well stay up all night with a big fat blunt, eh?

That's terrible. And a demonstration of the attitude point for sure!

But don't stay up all night with or without!
Driving sleepy is also a huge factor in diminishing safe driving ability.

 

[mister dog]

What difference does that make?

Crashes happen to anybody, but because @DonJo76 mentioned it here it is immediatly associated with him smoking joints once in a while. Good chance those crashes happened with him sober behind the wheel and having a "everyday man's crash"

 

[Famine]

Crashes happen to anybody, but because @DonJo76 mentioned it here it is immediatly associated with him smoking joints once in a while. Good chance those crashes happened with him sober behind the wheel and having a "everyday man's crash"

Except he already stated all three were due to impairment - one of them alcohol and the others tiredness due to having to fit a social life into his 14hr days.

 

[watermelon punch]

Crashes happen to anybody, but because @DonJo76 mentioned it here it is immediatly associated with him smoking joints once in a while.

Well if the shoe fits... can't blame people for wondering.

But even if he was sober during his accidents, it doesn't prove that if Famine or someone else (sober or drunk)* had a crash, that must mean driving drunk is perfectly safe.

So again - what does it matter????

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Append edit 2:
By the way, I wound up here with the darn like system that draws you into all sorts of parts of the forum.
And I just realized the OP has nothing to do with driving.
But I guess it's inevitable every conversation around here turns to cars one way or another.

 

[DonJo76]

When you live in a country where 17 million people live on a 37.354 km². 800.00 are unemployed.
That means millions of people need to go to work on 2 lane highways, in 2 schedules.
Construction begins at 07:00. Office at 08:00-08:30.
People are traveling with 120 kmph.
I witnes car crashes at daily bases with an average of 4-5 cars crashing on several points of the same highway.
There is a reason people are crashing into each other and thats not because they are drunk or stoned

 

[watermelon punch]

When you live in a country where 17 million people live on a 37.354 km². 800.00 are unemployed.
That means millions of people need to go to work on 2 lane highways, in 2 schedules.
Construction begins at 07:00. Office at 08:00-08:30.
People are traveling with 120 kmph.
I witnes car crashes at daily bases with an average of 4-5 cars crashing on several points of the same highway.
There is a reason people are crashing into each other and thats not because they are drunk or stoned

Again, that doesn't give any evidence that driving stoned or drunk is safe.



In fact, it could mean that driving drunk in a situation like you describe, is even more dangerous.

 

[DonJo76]

Again, that doesn't give any evidence that driving stoned or drunk is safe.



In fact, it could mean that driving drunk in a situation like you describe, is even more dangerous. [/

Which i never stated in the first place!

 

[Famine]

There is a reason people are crashing into each other and thats not because they are drunk or stoned

Around 40% of the time, yes it is.

 

[DonJo76]

Around 40% of the time, yes it is.

In wich country?

 

[Famine]

It's fairly standard across most western countries - at about 20-25% of drivers in all collisions testing positive for alcohol and 15-20% for drugs.

 

[DonJo76]

Probably the reason is millions of people need to use the same road, everyone needs to be on time, hurry hurry,
Everyone is in a rush on 2 way highways.
Thats the problem i witness everyday, sure there is a percentage of people doing drugs.
But i really dont think thats te problem.
And a fairly standard doesnt mean anything when the differences are to far apart.

 

[watermelon punch]

Yeah I have read that too, about somewhere around 20% of drivers (presumably we're talking about western countries) are found to be under the influence of something when they have an accident.
But I'm a little confused about the details. Is it 20% of drivers involved in accidents, or 20% of accidents involve a driver who tests positive?

I also read, but cannot find the studies now that said that (at least in the U.S.) 70% (or maybe it was 75%) of drivers are found, in any given 5 year period, to not have had an accident at all, and that the overwhelming majority of accidents in a given period, involve a small percentage of drivers.

The end result being that a small percentage of drivers are having the largest percentage of accidents.

Meaning that just because there are a LOT of accidents, it does not mean that everyone is equally as likely to have them!
It could be that many of those accidents are the same people crashing over & over again!

And that could be because they're impaired in some way.

It could also be that, like studies in the U.S. & Europe have shown, that poor attitudes toward road safety laws raise your chances of being in an accident, and driving under the influence, even though it's against regulations, certainly could be included in a negative attitude toward traffic safety laws!

I mean if you care so little about the law, that you will break it and drive under the influence, one can easily wonder how many other road safety laws you also ignore.
💡

 

[Famine]

Probably the reason is millions of people need to use the same road, everyone needs to be on time, hurry hurry,
Everyone is in a rush on 2 way highways.
Thats the problem i witness everyday, sure there is a percentage of people doing drugs.
But i really dont think thats te problem.
And a fairly standard doesnt mean anything when the differences are to far apart.

So, just to check... you think having lots of people rushing around close to each other is the problem that causes crashes and the fact that some deliberately impair themselves before doing so - causing 40% of the crashes - isn't a problem?

What, really?


Fun fact - you're 10 times more likely to be involved in a crash after a spliff than you are before it. Not a problem though, right?

 

[mister dog]

Except he already stated all three were due to impairment - one of them alcohol and the others tiredness due to having to fit a social life into his 14hr days.

Which are all off topic

Fun fact - you're 10 times more likely to be involved in a crash after a spliff than you are before it. Not a problem though, right?

Then i must have had god's hand above my car the last 7 years

 

[Danoff]

Which are all off topic

....because marijuana does not cause impairment?

 

[mister dog]

....because marijuana does not cause impairment?

Yes but is not related to any of the instances when he crashed...

 

[Famine]

Yes but is not related to any of the instances when he crashed...

And nobody said it was - even though you tried to imply that it was what we were actually saying:

Crashes happen to anybody, but because @DonJo76 mentioned it here it is immediatly associated with him smoking joints once in a while. Good chance those crashes happened with him sober behind the wheel and having a "everyday man's crash"

 

[mister dog]

And nobody said it was - even though you tried to imply that it was what we were actually saying:

So you agree Donjo's weedsmoking had nothing to do with the crashes he had then?

Anyway on these forums it's always black and white, and we should sometimes put some water in our wine. I'll agree it is not recommendable to hop into a car just after you got yourself stoned as a rock, as long as the people here that are in the opposite camp (people that do not smoke i suppose), could admit the effects of MJ and driving are not as dangerous as getting behind the wheel after drinking alcohol.

That statement that you have 10 times more chance of an accident after smoking a dubey sounds ridiculous to me (even tough i'm sure someone actually published that).

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I'm quite interested in knowing what the quality of the legal weed is like in Colorado. Hopefully, for the smokers over there, they're not getting a dud bud.