Legendary cars dealer refresh

[Pesselles]

When I've started to play GT7, I needed cash to buy cars (like everyone else). Collecting cars is also a part of the game for those who love that.

So, I've started to grind - not much but a bit - and quickly, it was boring to race the same circuits with the same cars, over and over and over. Furthermore, grinding doesnt improve your driving skills. At all.

Now, I play Sport mode (with aliens), try to gold all the missions, licences, CE, etc. I make money every week, I'm a better driver since and I buy expensive cars only when I have enough credits (472 cars, so far).

There's no good or bad ways to play GT7. Yes, this game requires lots of time if you want to complete everything. But it's not mandatory. Chose the way you feel the more comfortable with and have fun!

 

[Clinton Ducks]

Platinum trophy here, 100% CE gold and over 4000 online races let alone the SP stuff and I still haven't made enough money to buy all of the cars. I don't grind although occasionally do Sardegna for fun.

I'm not sure I'm with you it being fun to do that 10 times over.

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More fun than simply grinding the same couple of races 500 times over, is what i’m saying.

 

[newmedia_dev]

More fun than simply grinding the same couple of races 500 times over, is what i’m saying.

And I'm saying even investing way beyond any realistic time that most people play I still haven't in all that time made enough credits to buy all the cars.

So I can understand why people grind, they can play their game however they want IMO

 

[Chikane_GTR]

More fun than simply grinding the same couple of races 500 times over, is what i’m saying.

I don't get your stands here what if I enjoy and am having fun in grinding the same event over and over?

Till now I have officially grinded Tokyo 600pp race over 2000 times and not I'm not 1 bit tried of doing so.

And guess what I still finally enjoy doing Tokyo.

Fun is in how each person plays the game and we all play it differently.

 

[Aphelion]

I actually lie somewhere in the middle on this. I generally like to spend most of my time playing video games enjoying them, so usually try to seek out challenging and rewarding ways of doing things.

However Ive done a loooot of driving in GT7 recently, and think that playing the same things over and over for potentially dozens of hours just to pay 20 million credits for a single car that ive owned in a million other racing games?

I think I'm allowed to decide when a video game feels like its wasting my time, and I don't really mind bending the rules to allow my time to be better spent elsewhere.

 

[Clinton Ducks]

I don't get your stands here what if I enjoy and am having fun in grinding the same event over and over?

Till now I have officially grinded Tokyo 600pp race over 2000 times and not I'm not 1 bit tried of doing so.

And guess what I still finally enjoy doing Tokyo.

Fun is in how each person plays the game and we all play it differently.

This whole conversation started with the other guy basically saying your choices are either grinding or cheating. Which isn’t the case.

 

[Lomic]

Till now I have officially grinded Tokyo 600pp race over 2000 times and not I'm not 1 bit tried of doing so.

And guess what I still finally enjoy doing Tokyo.

Your are one in a million 😅

 

[Clinton Ducks]

And I'm saying even investing way beyond any realistic time that most people play I still haven't in all that time made enough credits to buy all the cars.

So I can understand why people grind, they can play their game however they want IMO

According to the stats you posted, you’ve got the platinum trophy (without needing to buy all the cars) with about 90 hours of driving. That’s pretty good for a racing game.

But the devs are saying that if you want to complete the entire car collection, not a requirement for the platinum, more as an extra goal for the most dedicated, you’ll have to drive for 200+ hours or more.

Bear in mind you do have a choice in the matter.

 

[Lomic]

This whole conversation started with the other guy basically saying your choices are either grinding or cheating. Which isn’t the case.

If you want to catch a 20M Cr. car in 4 days... you have a choice to make.

And if I am "the other guy" I've never said you only have 2 choices : grinding by hand or grinding AFK.

But if you want to get credits "quickly" without spending precious hours of your life grinding by hand (not everybody enjoys that @Chikane_GTR don't take it personnaly 😅), AFK is a very cool solution.

If you want to earn your credits the way PD intended it, I am fine with that. I don't earn mine this way because it would mean too many hours for me.

 

[newmedia_dev]

According to the stats you posted, you’ve got the platinum trophy (without needing to buy all the cars) with about 90 hours of driving. That’s pretty good for a racing game.

But the devs are saying that if you want to complete the entire car collection, not a requirement for the platinum, more as an extra goal for the most dedicated, you’ll have to drive for 200+ hours or more.

Bear in mind you do have a choice in the matter.

I don't care about the platinum ironically and it's the first I've got since trophies have existed...

For most people putting 200+ hours in to a game is an unrealistic expectation when average play sessions are short bursts for most people.

I think the balance of exclusivity vs realistically attainable credits is very much skewed to encourage people to grind.

As I said, not having enough money for the F1 for example not getting a chance play for a few days and it disappears in to the ether for weeks again.....I mean we aren't talking the stealth cars in games of old which were more of an Easter Egg.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Platinum trophy here, 100% CE gold and over 4000 online races let alone the SP stuff and I still haven't made enough money to buy all of the cars. I don't grind although occasionally do Sardegna for fun.

I'm not sure I'm with you it being fun to do that 10 times over.

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What's that playtime showing? Is this days:hours: minutes? I first thought it's hours: minutes: seconds but that can't be right for 4k+ races.

 

[newmedia_dev]

What's that playtime showing? Is this days:hours: minutes? I first thought it's hours: minutes: seconds but that can't be right for 4k+ races.

Good question let me look at one of my other accounts where I've only done 100 or so races and enough menu books to open up sport mode.

Edit:

On my main account the PS app screen shows

On my US alt account it is 30 hours with these stats

So I'm guessing the app screen number is just how long the game has been running and the in game stats are actual driving hours as days excluding all the other things like livery creation, menus, watch or editing replays, photos etc

Interestingly in game they use what appears to hours only not contracted down to days like the mobile webpage does.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

@Lomic I fully agree and its in line with the fact that we all find fun in different ways of playing GT7.

AFK grinding is find if it brings you enjoyment.

Personally I don't think afk grinding is cheating if your just doing SP.

@Lomic I will remove my poo emoji I gave you.👍

 

[Clinton Ducks]

For most people putting 200+ hours in to a game is an unrealistic expectation when average play sessions are short bursts for most people.

Well yeah, precisely. That’s what I said. You don’t need to do 200+ hours to complete the SP campaign, or even do all the extra bits, missions, licenses, CEs, to get the platinum trophy. That’s just how long it takes if you want to get all the cars as well. It’s optional, like a very long side quest.

Alls i’m getting at is: while you can grind the same race over and over 2000 times if you really want to, other races are available.

 

[Lomic]

@Lomic I will remove my poo emoji I gave you.👍

Leave it, I absolutely don't mind and know how you enjoy the game so I understand why you don't share my view

Alls i’m getting at is: while you can grind the same race over and over 2000 times if you really want to, other races are available.

Sure but outside of the 3 "grind" races, rewards are much less in terms of credits, hence why people grind those races (Tokyo, Sardegna, Le Mans, don't remember precisely which event on each track). If only rewards were consistent across the board... (and not by leveling them by the bottom)

 

[Clinton Ducks]

Sure but outside of the 3 "grind" races, rewards are much less in terms of credits, hence why people grind those races (Tokyo, Sardegna, Le Mans, don't remember precisely which event on each track). If only rewards were consistent across the board... (and not by leveling them by the bottom)

Well yeah but look at it from the dev’s pov a minute. They made this game with it in mind that it’ll be about 5 years until the next one. Ideally, for them, everyone who bought it on day one will still be playing it when GT8 comes out. But I’m sure they’re aware that no matter what they do, that ain’t gonna happen.

So they made a basic SP campaign (the menus) that takes about 40 hours to finish. That’s for the casual players to accomplish.

They added extra stuff for the more determined; the extra menus, CEs, missions. Do these for the platinum.

Then finally, for the few people who actually will play for the game’s entire life span is the car collecting.

But even collecting all the cars won’t really take the whole game’s lifespan, if you think about it: Let’s be generous and say it’ll take 500 hours of gameplay - not deliberate grinding or AFK farming - just dabbling in the various races trying out all the cars, playing a bit of sport mode, doing some time trails, in order to eventually have enough to acquire all the cars. 500 hours over 5 years is what, not even 30 minutes a day?

That’s all PD are asking. Doesn’t sound particularly unreasonable to me! If all the races paid out millions of credits a time everyone would have done everything and have collected all the cars within the first few weeks and would then move on to another game. That’d be a disaster for them!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Well yeah but look at it from the dev’s pov a minute. They made this game with it in mind that it’ll be about 5 years until the next one. Ideally, for them, everyone who bought it on day one will still be playing it when GT8 comes out. But I’m sure they’re aware that no matter what they do, that ain’t gonna happen.

So they made a basic SP campaign (the menus) that takes about 40 hours to finish. That’s for the casual players to accomplish.

They added extra stuff for the more determined; the extra menus, CEs, missions. Do these for the platinum.

Then finally, for the few people who actually will play for the game’s entire life span is the car collecting.

But even collecting all the cars won’t really take the whole game’s lifespan, if you think about it: Let’s be generous and say it’ll take 500 hours of gameplay - not deliberate grinding or AFK farming - just dabbling in the various races trying out all the cars, playing a bit of sport mode, doing some time trails, in order to eventually have enough to acquire all the cars. 500 hours over 5 years is what, not even 30 minutes a day?

That’s all PD are asking. Doesn’t sound particularly unreasonable to me! If all the races paid out millions of credits a time everyone would have done everything and have collected all the cars within the first few weeks and would then move on to another game. That’d be a disaster for them!

I don't think forcing the players who just want all the cars and then will move on is the target audience for the game...that's just brute forcing those players to artificially stick around.

This also could be considered a dark pattern when figure in the MTx available. Its not to big a leap to be a bit cynical about aspects of the Legends dealership and economy balancing.

It is pretty ballsy of them to say, nope 100k miles and 691 hours of game play and you still can't collect all the Poke-cars....

You must be able to see something isn't quite right with that....

 

[Clinton Ducks]

I don't think forcing the players who just want all the cars and then will move on is the target audience for the game...that's just brute forcing those players to artificially stick around.

I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s been set up for the car collecting element to be a (very) long term goal in the game. Something to do for those who want to stick around long term. I’d even go as far as to say that the ‘big 3’ grinding races are there especially for people who want all the cars but don’t want to stick around long term. And then the microtransactions are for people who want all the cars, and can’t be bothered grinding or sticking around. They’re trying to cater for everyone but people still give them all this grief. Bunch of ingrates i tell you.

 

[PlanetJanet]

All this is very interesting but where the flip is my Alfa!

 

[Clinton Ducks]

All this is very interesting but where the flip is my Alfa!

You missed it. It’ll be back in June.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s been set up for the car collecting element to be a (very) long term goal in the game. Something to do for those who want to stick around long term. I’d even go as far as to say that the ‘big 3’ grinding races are there especially for people who want all the cars but don’t want to stick around long term. And then the microtransactions are for people who want all the cars, and can’t be bothered grinding or sticking around. They’re trying to cater for everyone but people still give them all this grief. Bunch of ingrates i tell you.

It is their game and they design it how they want.

I just don't agree that one feature was the bit they thought was the stickiest. Surely the compelling gameplay, racing should be the core sticky mechanic not restricting cars to invites and rotation cycles?

I mean the whole used car mechanic for selling cars linked to realtime supply and demand is the correct way to do this.

If everything was just linked to supply and demand permanently using that system you'd be half way their to addressing the fundamental issues...

To buy legends cars via market demand rather at intervals. You don't even need hagarty to price the cars, the market would be doing it in real time 🤷‍♂️

 

[watto79]

All this is very interesting but where the flip is my Alfa!

I'm glad it's not just me! Literally the last Legendary car I need and I have the credits. But here we have yet another argument about grinding 😅

 

[Clinton Ducks]

I just don't agree that one feature was the bit they thought was the stickiest. Surely the compelling gameplay, racing should be the core sticky mechanic not restricting cars to invites and rotation cycles?

If not for the three trophy cars (whose rotation is twice as fast as the other LCD cars), you can do everything required for the platinum without using any of the restricted cars. You can do everything required for completing the main menu books without even looking at the LCD.

 

[newmedia_dev]

If not for the three trophy cars (whose rotation is twice as fast as the other LCD cars), you can do everything required for the platinum without using any of the restricted cars. You can do everything required for completing the main menu books without even looking at the LCD.

I'm not sure what the fascination is with platinum. The point is that legends cars are prohibitively expensive relative to the standard game play.

That you can "complete" the game but were never able to drive the F1 or 917k defeats the purpose of a game focused on exposing as many people as possible to the wonderful world of cars and the joy of driving....just not all of them....

 

[Clinton Ducks]

I'm not sure what the fascination is with platinum. The point is that legends cars are prohibitively expensive relative to the standard game play.

That you can "complete" the game but were never able to drive the F1 or 917k defeats the purpose of a game focused on exposing as many people as possible to the wonderful world of cars and the joy of driving....just not all of them....

I think the ‘fascination’ with platinum is that it’s simply a better metric to say you’ve seen and done everything in a game beyond just flying through the main campaign. You’ve experienced all the different game modes and driving mechanics.

And yeah, you’ve hit the nail on the head perfectly. Unless you’re in it for the long term you won’t experience the joy of driving every single car in the game. Simple enough really, I don’t really know why people are complaining about that element of it.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think the ‘fascination’ with platinum is that it’s simply a better metric to say you’ve seen and done everything in a game beyond just flying through the main campaign. You’ve experienced all the different game modes and driving mechanics.

And yeah, you’ve hit the nail on the head perfectly. Unless you’re in it for the long term you won’t experience the joy of driving every single car in the game. Simple enough really, I don’t really know why people are complaining about that element of it.

Because it's a driving game....I think it's a realistic expectation that people within a reasonable time frame can own and drive the cars.

I don't understand how people can justify it.

I mean seriously bud, 692 hours of playing this game that is 28 days of 24 hours a day playing the game and even then you can't acquire enough credits through normal play and sports mode even including the TTs.

It's not even like the cars are behind a skill wall where you need gold licenses etc I mean that would make sense because at least you would strive to improve. But as it is you are being conditioned to make the most efficient use of your time if the cars are your thing. Hardly encouraging diversity and exploration with in the game is it?

There are better more proven mechanics for live service games and creating stickiness.

Edit: things like the daily marathon are designed to keep the appearance of DAU high, couple that with tickets being the only way to access some of the cars that's not even about balancing is it.

 

[Famine]

Not a lot of Legendary Cars Dealer refresh conversation going on in this Legendary Cars Dealer refresh thread.

Please take the well-trodden economy issues to more appropriate locations.

 

[Clinton Ducks]

Edit - nevermind, the boss has turned up.

 

[Talon16]

I kinda want the McLaren road car but am 7mil short. I don't grind; I get zero enjoyment from it. In fact, I find it somewhat insulting (as much as a video game can insult me). Those that do, more power to you. I find it extra insulting that - at least a day or so ago - there were three 20mil cars and one 18mil car available.

Oh well. Maybe next time it shows up in a number of months.

 

[Clinton Ducks]

I kinda want the McLaren road car but am 7mil short. I don't grind; I get zero enjoyment from it. In fact, I find it somewhat insulting (as much as a video game can insult me). Those that do, more power to you. I find it extra insulting that - at least a day or so ago - there were three 20mil cars and one 18mil car available.

Oh well. Maybe next time it shows up in a number of months.

Plenty of time to save up.