LeMONS to LeMANS Race Series -- Season Ended
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chuyler1
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oh man, i just got done practicing. did 30 laps and logged the times. pretty close between 1 pit stop and 2 pit stops provided you can continue to put down clean laps on laps 20-30. I think I'll make a decision based on where I stand during the race. If I need to power through and catch up I might opt for fresh tires. If I just need to hold my position I will probably stretch for 1.
chuyler1
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Tonight's the big night!
Everyone please verify that I have your car and parts listed correctly for the season opener.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html
Everyone please verify that I have your car and parts listed correctly for the season opener.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html
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- gjbaldwin60
I'm going to be cutting it close tonight, but I should be there by 10pm tonight. Damn I hate when work gets in the way of fun!
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- gjbaldwin60
I should be done by 9:30 as well.. but, I'll post here if I'm stuck
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- aGrenadeShark
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- diabolicwyvern
Will be there in couple min...the miss is using to TV to watch Chuck
- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
It is a_garris. And that is a long story unto itself. When I created my PSN account, I thought it was for the whole PlayStation, not for just me. And since I'm not in Japan, I can't change it. That sucks.
Anyway... quick race recap from my point of view...
The first part of the race was me with the two Silvias, Wii and Sleight, right behind me. They would close in on the corners, and I would pull away on the straights. At one point in the final hairpin, Wii got into my rear end and I had minor damage to the right rear. It wasn't affecting my lap time, so I let it go and stayed out.
Long about lap 28, after I'd left the Silvias behind a ways, I overshot the last hairpin and put it into the wall. I now had damage down the right side so I immediately pit.
Probably about eight or ten laps later, I was letting lap traffic go by. I let three cars go by. Apparently the third one (Sleight?) was not lap traffic. To make it worse, I went too wide and hit the wall.
That was all on the hairpin after the tunnel. A few turns later, with my car pulling, I slammed into a section of the broken wall head on at full speed. That totaled my car. I think I totaled Xonant's when I was backing out of the wall. Sorry about that.
I had to pit and was now in eighth. The only cars behind me were ones that I had lapped. Wii was the person infront of me, but I didn't know how far ahead he was. I decided to stay in the race. I eventually saw a little yellow car in the distance. I was getting closer. It was either Wii or Fatrabbit, but I didn't know which.
Again, going wide to let lap traffic buy, I completely blow the first turn (went very sideways) and lost five seconds on that lap. Less than ten laps left, and I have to chase down that yellow car again.
Turns out, it was Wii. But now I have two or three laps. And I just push too hard, and I get sloppy and I can't get by him. I was faster than him, and if there were just two more laps or I let myself relax, I probably could've passed him.
As it turns out, I apparently did pass him. But this was with seconds left in the end of race timer. There was a line of drone cars, and there was something of a bank of smoke. At the time, I just went around it. That was apparently Wii caught up in Booch.
I agree with Wii, and I'm glad Huyler changed it. Wii beat me.
I didn't come in last, so I'm not upset. But I was running comfortably in sixth at one point. I wrecked it. I just need to stay cleaner. I should've finished sixth.
Anyway... quick race recap from my point of view...
The first part of the race was me with the two Silvias, Wii and Sleight, right behind me. They would close in on the corners, and I would pull away on the straights. At one point in the final hairpin, Wii got into my rear end and I had minor damage to the right rear. It wasn't affecting my lap time, so I let it go and stayed out.
Long about lap 28, after I'd left the Silvias behind a ways, I overshot the last hairpin and put it into the wall. I now had damage down the right side so I immediately pit.
Probably about eight or ten laps later, I was letting lap traffic go by. I let three cars go by. Apparently the third one (Sleight?) was not lap traffic. To make it worse, I went too wide and hit the wall.
That was all on the hairpin after the tunnel. A few turns later, with my car pulling, I slammed into a section of the broken wall head on at full speed. That totaled my car. I think I totaled Xonant's when I was backing out of the wall. Sorry about that.
I had to pit and was now in eighth. The only cars behind me were ones that I had lapped. Wii was the person infront of me, but I didn't know how far ahead he was. I decided to stay in the race. I eventually saw a little yellow car in the distance. I was getting closer. It was either Wii or Fatrabbit, but I didn't know which.
Again, going wide to let lap traffic buy, I completely blow the first turn (went very sideways) and lost five seconds on that lap. Less than ten laps left, and I have to chase down that yellow car again.
Turns out, it was Wii. But now I have two or three laps. And I just push too hard, and I get sloppy and I can't get by him. I was faster than him, and if there were just two more laps or I let myself relax, I probably could've passed him.
As it turns out, I apparently did pass him. But this was with seconds left in the end of race timer. There was a line of drone cars, and there was something of a bank of smoke. At the time, I just went around it. That was apparently Wii caught up in Booch.
I agree with Wii, and I'm glad Huyler changed it. Wii beat me.
I didn't come in last, so I'm not upset. But I was running comfortably in sixth at one point. I wrecked it. I just need to stay cleaner. I should've finished sixth.
Damn, after a really pathetic start (I blame the lack of practice) I started running some clean laps.. I was dead last for a good chunk of the race but eventually caught up to xonant and boost...
I was hoping I could catch up to you but I ended up damaging my car and had to pit two more times in the 40's.
Still had a lot of fun and looking forward to spending some cash once chuyler posts the budgets
I was hoping I could catch up to you but I ended up damaging my car and had to pit two more times in the 40's.
Still had a lot of fun and looking forward to spending some cash once chuyler posts the budgets
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- RedReevos / GTP_RedReevos
This is mostly for Grenade. Usually I would take this to pm, but I think we are civil enough to do it here. It might be good to get others perspectives either way.
First off congrats on the win. I don't mean to take anything away from your victory. We are only talking about one incident that happened. I crashed twice more all by myself (once in giant flames right in front of Chuyler.. sorry buddy). I actually slammed myself into the left wall trying to not take you out, but I was WAY out of shape there.
Okay.. to the incident. Keep in mind, you and I haven't raced in close quarters before. I gave you the pole before race, because I didn't realize to only run two laps. During the first 8 or so laps, I felt like I was maybe .2 to .3 faster. I decided to stay back to give you room to get into your rhythm, thinking that way we could pull away a bit. I was also conserving my tires for a later run.
Every time I had a big run into 1, I would pull back and get in your mirrors, so you would know that you were clear to take your line. I definitely didn't think turn 1 was ever a place to mess around. Probably the most dangerous corner on the track.
On this initial laps, I was trying to let you know, I am not going to wreck you. I am clean, and not going to put either of us in a dangerous position. By the time I decided to pass you, I felt like my tires were fresher. After I passed you, I kept an eye on my mirrors. I wanted to see if you were under control when I was ahead. I didn't think you were going to need to be closely watched, as you didn't seem to be a punter.
I was happy with this, and figured you would follow me for a bit, and we would pull out a lead. Exiting the last turn(when I was leading) I seemed to pull out a bit of a lead. You got a long draft in my slip stream, but it was way too late for a safe move into 1. I assumed you would tuck behind me going into the turn. I was carrying a fair amount of speed when in my mirrors I say you dive into the turn. I thought, oh S**t he didn't account for the draft. Here comes punt city. Turn 1 is tough enough, let alone when you are at full speed, and someone dives into what appears to be a sure accident. I tried to hold the outside of the track, but it was futile, and off I went.
After the race(sorry if I am misrepresenting what you said, this is just how I remember it), you told me that you did that on purpose. That we were never going to collide. That you just dove in like that to make me take the outside line. That was just a strategic move.
I am not calling it dirty, nor the reason I lost the race. The following is where I think the problem is with this..
sorry dinner time.. don't mean the suspense... but I will finish this thought in a little bit. Sorry for my verbosity.
First off congrats on the win. I don't mean to take anything away from your victory. We are only talking about one incident that happened. I crashed twice more all by myself (once in giant flames right in front of Chuyler.. sorry buddy). I actually slammed myself into the left wall trying to not take you out, but I was WAY out of shape there.
Okay.. to the incident. Keep in mind, you and I haven't raced in close quarters before. I gave you the pole before race, because I didn't realize to only run two laps. During the first 8 or so laps, I felt like I was maybe .2 to .3 faster. I decided to stay back to give you room to get into your rhythm, thinking that way we could pull away a bit. I was also conserving my tires for a later run.
Every time I had a big run into 1, I would pull back and get in your mirrors, so you would know that you were clear to take your line. I definitely didn't think turn 1 was ever a place to mess around. Probably the most dangerous corner on the track.
On this initial laps, I was trying to let you know, I am not going to wreck you. I am clean, and not going to put either of us in a dangerous position. By the time I decided to pass you, I felt like my tires were fresher. After I passed you, I kept an eye on my mirrors. I wanted to see if you were under control when I was ahead. I didn't think you were going to need to be closely watched, as you didn't seem to be a punter.
I was happy with this, and figured you would follow me for a bit, and we would pull out a lead. Exiting the last turn(when I was leading) I seemed to pull out a bit of a lead. You got a long draft in my slip stream, but it was way too late for a safe move into 1. I assumed you would tuck behind me going into the turn. I was carrying a fair amount of speed when in my mirrors I say you dive into the turn. I thought, oh S**t he didn't account for the draft. Here comes punt city. Turn 1 is tough enough, let alone when you are at full speed, and someone dives into what appears to be a sure accident. I tried to hold the outside of the track, but it was futile, and off I went.
After the race(sorry if I am misrepresenting what you said, this is just how I remember it), you told me that you did that on purpose. That we were never going to collide. That you just dove in like that to make me take the outside line. That was just a strategic move.
I am not calling it dirty, nor the reason I lost the race. The following is where I think the problem is with this..
sorry dinner time.. don't mean the suspense... but I will finish this thought in a little bit. Sorry for my verbosity.
chuyler1
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Winnings are posted. Feel free to start modding your cars some more. Please send your mods no later than Tuesday so I have time to update the spreadsheet. Next race will be at Cape Ring South. Lots of turns and hairpins so you may want another car to try out different parts to see which will be faster.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html
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- aGrenadeShark
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While I can understand your sentiment. I feel the inexperience with online racing (with this group) might be the culprit here moreso then my driving style. I do recall you giving me tons of room in turn 1. No arguing that. I even made a comment over voice chat wondering as to why you were being so generous.
Below are two videos of me doing the exact same thing two laps in a row.
In the first video, you will clearly see me drafting past you, getting the inside line and the right of way by GTP OLR standards, but I brake early and give you the line anyways.
This second video is the one where you went off the track. I pull the exact same move, but this time you bite too hard and go wide. In both videos though, you can clearly see I gave you more then ample room to make the turn. I also give you even more room in the second video.
I think the problem here is that you overestimated where I was on the race track. I don't believe I am at fault here for you going off the track. I believe it was just a miscalculation on your part. I think the video shows this as well. Basically, from what I can tell, you don't like the idea of someone braking next to you while going into a high speed turn. I can understand this. But, again I feel I was not in the wrong here. I clearly braked well before your turn in and was never even close to coming in contact with you. Also, that is the line I take in that corner. If you watch the replay, I basically never take your line through that corner. My car slides too much to cut in that hard.
Anyone else have an opinion?
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Thats your fault grenadeshark.To dive for the apex at that turn so late then back off is a bad move.I could see that move done in a race car maybe,but in crap cars with no way.You should have passed at either the right exiting the tunnel or the last turn.
I know you didnt hit him but you put doubt in his mind about how you were going to react.Redreevos looked like he was giving you room and didnt block you,and his payment for that courtesy was a trip to the gravel.
I know you didnt hit him but you put doubt in his mind about how you were going to react.Redreevos looked like he was giving you room and didnt block you,and his payment for that courtesy was a trip to the gravel.
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- aGrenadeShark
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Well, I guess that's one angle. While I completely disagree, there is obviously multiple angles.
By your example. Had I not braked in the first video, he would have collided with me and it would have been his fault. I had the right of way and he didn't change his line or braking habits at all...
This is racing. I didn't touch him or impede his line. Yes, I got on the inside of him in both occasions. I mean seriously... You are saying I am wrong because what he "thought" was going to happen versus what really did happen.
Someone does that to me, I have basically two choices.
1. I can brake early and let him go past me.
2. I can run my line and hope he brakes early.
He chose to try to ride the outside line expecting me to be on the inside. This is fine. But, I didn't impede his movements at all. To tell me where I am allowed to pass is just absurd. I will pass anywhere I can get by cleanly and according to GTP OLR standards.
P.S. There is a thing in racing called pressure. That is what of the main strategies I employ in online racing. Sitting in someones rear view mirror, not touching them, but causing them to make mistakes for fear of you hitting them.
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- RedReevos / GTP_RedReevos
I apologize for not finishing my post. I will have to do that tomorrow, as it is late now. I had a good dinner with my wife, and we drank two bottles of wine.
I will quickly reply to your above statement though. As far as referencing GTP OLR standards... I agree as far as we were at least side by side at the entry.. But, you have to be able to hold your inside line for that not to be a reckless move. There is no way, diving in that late, that you could have held that line. I assume that is why you didn't follow through. But you have to understand(from the limited view I have in GT5) that the move you made appears that you are being reckless.(and please remember, on at least 3 previous laps, I had enough speed to carry this move way earlier on you)
Even with you backing out, there is a good possibility, we would have collided. If I took the line that I would every lap, I would have still clipped your nose. This would have wrecked us both, on lap 8? Why? Its a 60 lap race.
Beyond the above, what would happen if you really did overcook the entry. How would I know that you are "just playing." I am just surprised when we are just getting to know eachother that you would be willing to risk both of our races. You could see from the previous laps, my intentions. I went way out of my way to not put us in a dangerous situation. I think it just comes down to common courtesy. I would never make a reckless looking move on you. To try and trick you to the outside line and possibly wreck. Especially when we are just getting a feeling for eachother.
I appreciate your comments, and understand your intentions were not to wreck me. There is a high probability that you would have won the race anyway. I did crash 2 other times. I am just not sure that appropriate strategy is to make the other person think that you are going to wreck them.
Anyways.. moving forward.. I appreciated every one making room for the leading drivers. I thought every one went more than out of there way. I apologize for any battles I disrupted in the process. I know a few of you were having a battle toward the end, and I screwed that up. At that point I was more than 10 seconds behind. I came up quick, and thought to myself, I don't really need to get by. But by that point you guys had already made space for me. Sorry for that.
Thanks again Chuyler for hosting. I apologize for my mid-tunnel looseness. I look forward to the rest of the series.
Grenade, I really hold no malice going forward. I just hope my comments make some sense. I really don't think anyone thinks you are "dirty" here. This series is a chance for all of us to make some long lasting GT friends. I look forward to our future races.
(Edit) PS: Grenade, how did you make those videos? Do you have a video capture device. I have been wanting to know how to post something like this.
BTW the second one does not look that bad from that angle.... But you did say that you were diving in there to make me think you were on the inside line. From my angle, I thought it was a wreck about to happen.
Sorry Edit #2
I could easily have blocked the inside line there, and throughout the track. I put too much faith in the fact that you would want to work in a fashion that would allow us both to have a chance at the end. We were the two fastest with our car setups on this day. It never crossed my mind to go out of my way to make you think I would wreck you. Ultimately you used that strategy, and you won the race.. so, maybe I am the fool here. But going forward, I will give the same courtesy I gave you, to every other driver here. If I can somehow avoid putting either driver into a dangerous situation, I will do that. I just know that around you, you might just be playing strategy. I will not back down again if we are close. I will block even if it is to both, our disadvantage. If we wreck, we wreck. I am not sure how else to play this going forward.
Edit #3..
Grenade, starting to realize I should have pm'd this. Sorry everyone. I think Grenade and I could have done this via pm. I shouldn't have brought everyone into this. If you want to, Grenade, we can finish it via pm. I totally understand if you want to finish it here, though. I did start it here. I don't want to cut you off from your chance to respond. I am happy for you to respond here, and we can take the rest pm. Whichever you prefer.
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- diabolicwyvern
I'm all for kidding and poking fun, but I see nothing wrong based solely on video evidence because at no point would the cars project over one another. Had grenade late braked and pulled along side maybe but he's on the brakes first leading me to believe that Red was checking his mirros at the entrance a bit to much...an outcome of the pressure created from the draft. (If you move the projections of the car over each other, I doubt you'll find sharks car to far into Reds...make sense?)
NOW
I do have an issue with tricking an opponent. I'm all for strategy, but I think any "applied pressure' argument goes out the window as soon as I assume your manipulating another AND this is very important to me, calling it tricking. I'm not a fan of tricks. You can apply just as much pressure by hanging behind someone as you can late braking. Only Red knows what he was thinking, but I bet he missed the corner entrance because he was keen on his mirrors. And honestly...its the first race
NOW
I do have an issue with tricking an opponent. I'm all for strategy, but I think any "applied pressure' argument goes out the window as soon as I assume your manipulating another AND this is very important to me, calling it tricking. I'm not a fan of tricks. You can apply just as much pressure by hanging behind someone as you can late braking. Only Red knows what he was thinking, but I bet he missed the corner entrance because he was keen on his mirrors. And honestly...its the first race
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- gjbaldwin60
It is interesting when you get into applying pressure. I guess the sporting way of describing it is you are creating the fear in the opponent that you are going to "pass" them. I really don't have an issue with the tactic, but I do have a bit of an issue with the way you phrased in Shark..
"P.S. There is a thing in racing called pressure. That is what of the main strategies I employ in online racing. Sitting in someones rear view mirror, not touching them, but causing them to make mistakes for fear of you hitting them."
I really don't think we should be out on the track worrying about who is going to hit us..
just my $.02
Greg.
Ps. I had a blast last night, I'm really looking forward to see how things shake out in the next race with the different upgrade levels.
"P.S. There is a thing in racing called pressure. That is what of the main strategies I employ in online racing. Sitting in someones rear view mirror, not touching them, but causing them to make mistakes for fear of you hitting them."
I really don't think we should be out on the track worrying about who is going to hit us..
just my $.02
Greg.
Ps. I had a blast last night, I'm really looking forward to see how things shake out in the next race with the different upgrade levels.
chuyler1
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First off, I'm glad we are discussing this in the open. It is an educational experience that we can all learn from.
Here is what I see in the 2nd video...
RedReevos lines up for his typical line by putting 2 wheels on the rumble strip. His car has amazing turn-in and this line works. I shadowed him for several laps and was amazed at the balls he had to brake and turn in so late.
GrenadeShark drafts and lines up for *my* typical line by moving inward on the track and shooting for an early apex. Since Grenade and I were driving essentially the same car his line makes complete sense to me. Our cars basically have to drift around that corner to be quick, which means getting the nose to rotate early. I almost always started braking where the right side rumble strip begins. I used light trail braking up until the apex to force the car around. Straight line braking would've just put my understeering car in the sand trap.
Now Grenade claims to be using scare tactics, but personally I would have run the same line as him for 2 reasons. First, its a different car as described above. Second, if he stayed directly behind Red, he may accidentally punt him when he hit the brakes. it is very difficult to see the braking zone when you are that close to someone entering a high speed turn.
However, I can see how Red got a little scared by the move. When someone disappears from your rearview mirror you don't know where they are going to end up. Red may have been paying too much attention to his mirrors and not enough to the racing line...which is exactly why scare tactics work.
BTW, no worries about the tunnel incident Red. I saw you floundering and I figured the right side of the track was a safe bet to get around you. I took a calculated risk by trying to get by and I almost wrecked the two of us. Did you take damage from hitting the wall? It didn't take you long to catch back up to me.
Diabolic, you were very quick toward the end...but thinking about it now, you had fewer laps on your tires when you came up behind me. I think I was working my way through lap traffic when you first approached, but man you took off like a bandit those last 10-15 laps. At the beginning of the race when I was a little quicker, we were both driving "safe" and also had the same tires on.
Overall, it was a very fun evening. I enjoyed trying to keep up with the leaders at the beginning. Red gave me some bump drafts midway through until i told him to just go around me to catch Grenade (I had a suspicion i was holding him up on turns 1-2 and i was right). The last 30 laps I just battled my own times and tried to stay out of trouble. I knew Diabolic was a ways behind, but I didn't know how far.
Here is what I see in the 2nd video...
RedReevos lines up for his typical line by putting 2 wheels on the rumble strip. His car has amazing turn-in and this line works. I shadowed him for several laps and was amazed at the balls he had to brake and turn in so late.
GrenadeShark drafts and lines up for *my* typical line by moving inward on the track and shooting for an early apex. Since Grenade and I were driving essentially the same car his line makes complete sense to me. Our cars basically have to drift around that corner to be quick, which means getting the nose to rotate early. I almost always started braking where the right side rumble strip begins. I used light trail braking up until the apex to force the car around. Straight line braking would've just put my understeering car in the sand trap.
Now Grenade claims to be using scare tactics, but personally I would have run the same line as him for 2 reasons. First, its a different car as described above. Second, if he stayed directly behind Red, he may accidentally punt him when he hit the brakes. it is very difficult to see the braking zone when you are that close to someone entering a high speed turn.
However, I can see how Red got a little scared by the move. When someone disappears from your rearview mirror you don't know where they are going to end up. Red may have been paying too much attention to his mirrors and not enough to the racing line...which is exactly why scare tactics work.
BTW, no worries about the tunnel incident Red. I saw you floundering and I figured the right side of the track was a safe bet to get around you. I took a calculated risk by trying to get by and I almost wrecked the two of us. Did you take damage from hitting the wall? It didn't take you long to catch back up to me.
Diabolic, you were very quick toward the end...but thinking about it now, you had fewer laps on your tires when you came up behind me. I think I was working my way through lap traffic when you first approached, but man you took off like a bandit those last 10-15 laps. At the beginning of the race when I was a little quicker, we were both driving "safe" and also had the same tires on.
Overall, it was a very fun evening. I enjoyed trying to keep up with the leaders at the beginning. Red gave me some bump drafts midway through until i told him to just go around me to catch Grenade (I had a suspicion i was holding him up on turns 1-2 and i was right). The last 30 laps I just battled my own times and tried to stay out of trouble. I knew Diabolic was a ways behind, but I didn't know how far.
chuyler1
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Me too. Cape Ring South is a twisty track with some hard brake zones. Time can be gained in the turns with suspension upgrades or the straight with performance upgrades. I imagine some of the FR cars will go for drivetrain upgrades too. The LSD is probably the cheapest way to dial out over/understeer.
Last night after the race I did a few laps. Out of the 10 or so laps i ran, I hit the wall on the last turn twice. I'll have to play it real safe there during the race, but the good news is that it will be a quick trip to the pit if I damage my car there. I was running 1:27-1:28s I think. I imagine some of the drivers who have more to spend will run much quicker laps. Is everyone OK with running 60 laps again?
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- aGrenadeShark
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I am going to try to respond to the criticisms that you guys are posting. I guess, I am one of the few auto racing (IRL) enthusiasts here. What I did it is nothing compared to what goes on every day in real auto racing.
But, lets get on to specifics. In the laps following you, I never bumped you once. I got right on your rear bumper numerous times. You will see though, every single time I braked early and waiting for you to brake then got off the brake to get back on your rear bumper.
This is a racing tactic. If I know I can't pass you in a corner, I will do everything in my power to sit as close to you without hitting you as possible. I noticed in your response, you were worrying so much about what I would do. I understand that you can never know what other racers will do on the track.
But, your going off the track happened because you speculated that I had overcooked the turn. I didn't overcook it. In fact, I braked earlier then I had to. My goal was to be sitting in your rear view mirror as soon as you turned in. At that point, you would be at maximum traction capacity of your tires and seeing me right there might cause you to make a mistake.
I feel this is just a problem with my tactics in general. I don't wait for people to make mistakes to pass them. Redreevos was on average faster than me most laps. There was no way I could win if he didn't make any mistakes.
Referencing the first video again. Redreevos, you are mistaken in thinking I had to brake to avoid running off the side. Watch the previous laps. I regularly take that turn on that line and make a very wide sweep to the outside. The only reason I did what I did was to avoid hitting you as you came in on me even though I had clearly stolen the turn.
To diablos and gj's response. I never late braked in those corners. I gave off the impression I was going for it. That gives the opposing driver two options.
1. Hold his line
2. Brake early
He did neither of those things. Had I held my line in the first video and he collided with me, it would have been his fault according to the OLR. I had the right of way.
Now look at him in his video. He did hold his line and and I yielded giving him the way with no collision whatsoever.
So yes, I intentionally will ride your ass and do anything I need to do to make you uncomfortable with me driving behind you. I am sorry that it doesn't land under "nice racing" rules.
I am very proud of what I did. I employed a strategy to create pressure on a driver in hopes of him making a mistake. It worked. He came within inches of my bumper multiple times per lap. It's on him to not hit me, not the other way around.
It was my job to not hit him in the second video. I went for the inside line, realized it wasn't going to work and braked early just like I should have. If nothing else, the first turn should have made him realize I was yielding to him in these scenarios and for him to just run his line.
That's another point I want to make clearly. Exactly what chuyler said. Watch my 58 other laps. I take that line every single one of them. Our cars don't do well with sharp turn ins. We have to hold an inside line brake a bit and drift to the outside.
But, lets get on to specifics. In the laps following you, I never bumped you once. I got right on your rear bumper numerous times. You will see though, every single time I braked early and waiting for you to brake then got off the brake to get back on your rear bumper.
This is a racing tactic. If I know I can't pass you in a corner, I will do everything in my power to sit as close to you without hitting you as possible. I noticed in your response, you were worrying so much about what I would do. I understand that you can never know what other racers will do on the track.
But, your going off the track happened because you speculated that I had overcooked the turn. I didn't overcook it. In fact, I braked earlier then I had to. My goal was to be sitting in your rear view mirror as soon as you turned in. At that point, you would be at maximum traction capacity of your tires and seeing me right there might cause you to make a mistake.
I feel this is just a problem with my tactics in general. I don't wait for people to make mistakes to pass them. Redreevos was on average faster than me most laps. There was no way I could win if he didn't make any mistakes.
Referencing the first video again. Redreevos, you are mistaken in thinking I had to brake to avoid running off the side. Watch the previous laps. I regularly take that turn on that line and make a very wide sweep to the outside. The only reason I did what I did was to avoid hitting you as you came in on me even though I had clearly stolen the turn.
To diablos and gj's response. I never late braked in those corners. I gave off the impression I was going for it. That gives the opposing driver two options.
1. Hold his line
2. Brake early
He did neither of those things. Had I held my line in the first video and he collided with me, it would have been his fault according to the OLR. I had the right of way.
Now look at him in his video. He did hold his line and and I yielded giving him the way with no collision whatsoever.
So yes, I intentionally will ride your ass and do anything I need to do to make you uncomfortable with me driving behind you. I am sorry that it doesn't land under "nice racing" rules.
I am very proud of what I did. I employed a strategy to create pressure on a driver in hopes of him making a mistake. It worked. He came within inches of my bumper multiple times per lap. It's on him to not hit me, not the other way around.
It was my job to not hit him in the second video. I went for the inside line, realized it wasn't going to work and braked early just like I should have. If nothing else, the first turn should have made him realize I was yielding to him in these scenarios and for him to just run his line.
That's another point I want to make clearly. Exactly what chuyler said. Watch my 58 other laps. I take that line every single one of them. Our cars don't do well with sharp turn ins. We have to hold an inside line brake a bit and drift to the outside.
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