Lexus LF-A: The Long and Winding Road

[Paulie]

Absolutely loving this LF-A after seeing the "Sights and Sounds" video. Great engine note, sweet looks, and no doubt in such a wide car, with active aerodynamics and built to beat the GT-R, it will perform really well. Mmmm, 9,000rpm V10. Some comparos will be great to watch. This car against the ZR1 and 599 would be a fun watch on Top Gear.

It is growing on me, but I don't know if it's really worth 375 grand. I'm waiting for Nissan to cut the rug from under them and release the R36.

Autoblog said the R36 is due in 2012, just one short year after the LF-A's release.

 

[Jay]

Huge respect to Toyota (Lexus) for doing everything in house, even weaving their own carbon sheets...

Looks like it's a car they're doing for themselves (research, technology, experience and pride) and don't care about sales, outright numbers or profit (lack of it) all that much.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Absolutely loving this LF-A after seeing the "Sights and Sounds" video. Great engine note, sweet looks, and no doubt in such a wide car, with active aerodynamics and built to beat the GT-R, it will perform really well. Mmmm, 9,000rpm V10. Some comparos will be great to watch. This car against the ZR1 and 599 would be a fun watch on Top Gear.

Thanks for the link, that was a great video! 👍

 

[Jim Prower]

ew. ew. ewewewewew. It has that ugly flat F1 sound. Take it away!

 

[sumbrownkid]

Huge respect to Toyota (Lexus) for doing everything in house, even weaving their own carbon sheets...

Looks like it's a car they're doing for themselves (research, technology, experience and pride) and don't care about sales, outright numbers or profit (lack of it) all that much.

They definitely priced it that high to get all that R/D costs back.

 

[Jay]

They definitely priced it that high to get all that R/D costs back.

It's limited numbers, they will sell for the high price so why not, it's not marketed like the GTR which is stupidly fast, affordable (relative) and mass produced (also relative).

Rather it is stupidly fast and exclusive.

 

[niky]

$375k for 500 cars... that's a total of 187.5 million dollars.

That will go into production costs... and with the description of the technology that goes into each car... just building each car would probably cost $70,000. (handbuilt)... so, ballpark of $35m, already...

And then we go into the cost of tooling up the plant to build the cars... let's say... another $100m... Toyota reportedly not only engineered the car from the ground-up, but also some of the equipment to make it... so maybe $150m... Considering the grounds-up engineering done to make the LF-A... it's not improbably they've spent half-a-billion dollars or so just on this part of the program...

Then there's the cost of building the equipment required to maintain them, as well as training Lexus technicians to maintain a new car which shares absolutely nothing with any other Lexus... (incalculable...) the cost of marketing...

Some people have theorized that Nissan loses money on the GT-R, but this loss is easy to minimize if you produce at the volumes they're making that car in. Toyota will have no such advantage. They will likely lose half-a-million dollars or more on each car sold. This will be like the Ford GT... build it and swallow the loss, but bask in the glow of admiration for having made such a wonderful machine.

And... the car is wonderful, it seems. The shape is muscular... the technology seems to be befitting such a car... and I'll give props to any large motor that can hit 9,500 rpms.

I think Toyota are missing an opportunity here... this car should be branded a Toyota... as a halo car for the whole company (as Nissan did with the GT-R) and not as a halo car for Lexus alone.

As regards the inevitable GT-R comparisons... given that they've done 7:30 at the ring, it's possible that on a smaller, technical track, that this car could be faster than the turbo-brick... though probably won't be as fast as the GT-R... but who cares... that's not really the point. The all-wheel drive vacuum cleaner may be a magnificent car, but it's not something to stir your loins in the way it sounds or looks... the LF-A, on the other hand, looks like it will be a purist's supercar, through and through.

 

[Jim Prower]

I dunno...sure, it's a great car, but it's not doin' anything for me. It seems...old, somehow, as if it should've come out a couple years ago, and that Acura clone (NSX "Replacement") their competitors across the way at Honda have been kicking around isn't helping matters.

Actually, the sound isn't bad...but...It's still not my kind of supercar. I mean, I get it...but I don't get it.

 

[Jay]

I think Toyota are missing an opportunity here... this car should be branded a Toyota... as a halo car for the whole company (as Nissan did with the GT-R) and not as a halo car for Lexus alone.

I agree completely.

 

[mPWRD]

+1. It would have been cool to have a Toyota that could blow the doors off anything this side of a Ferrari 458. But I can see their reasoning - calling it a Lexus means that they can charge more for it and take less of a loss on it. Another thing - Lexus is a global brand, while Nissan's upscale brand, Infiniti, is not. Therefore, it was a better marketing decision to call it a Nissan GT-R; doing so meant no need to modify the design for different brands around the world. Also, The GT-R was a continuation of the Skyline model line, which have all been Nissans.

Back to the Lexus, however - I really don't think it would have the same appeal as a Toyota. The most exciting thing they have made is the Supra, which was nowhere near this in terms of sheer power and luxury. So, I guess, calling it a Lexus makes some sense.

 

[killanite]

I love every single thing about this car except for it's price. Looks aren't the greatest but that soundtrack from the engine more than makes up for any of it's faults.

 

[DeathSmiles]

All this continued moaning about the price is really upsetting me. Seriously, guys. Do you know how many supercars easily are right there, or above and beyond $400,000 dollar price tag?

Carrera GT
Saleen S7
Murciélago (most special models/iterations)
SLR McLaren
CCX

These easily go for close to $500,000. Then you have the million dollar cars, like Zonda's, Veyron's, McLaren F1's, etc.

If your whole hinge on this (from what I see), awesome supercar is 1) it's Lexus badge, and 2) it's price, then I don't know what to say about you as a car enthusiast.

This is not a cheap car. This is not a high production number car. This is not one of those "affordable asian sports cars for people who can't get a supercar". This is a bonafide, luxury supercar, with high end technology. From it's frame, to it's engine, to it's wheels. Top of the line materials, limited production, and a major turning point for Toyota as a whole. In MY eyes, the price justifies the vehicle. I want one. Bad. Too bad Racing games will probably be the closest I get to driving one.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Back to the Lexus, however - I really don't think it would have the same appeal as a Toyota. The most exciting thing they have made is the Supra, which was nowhere near this in terms of sheer power and luxury. So, I guess, calling it a Lexus makes some sense.

I think the reason why Toyota put a badge on this supercar is the same as Honda did with the NSX when they put an Acura badge on the NSX when selling it in the US.

 

[TVC]

All this continued moaning about the price is really upsetting me. Seriously, guys. Do you know how many supercars easily are right there, or above and beyond $400,000 dollar price tag?

Carrera GT
Saleen S7
Murciélago (most special models/iterations)
SLR McLaren
CCX

These easily go for close to $500,000. Then you have the million dollar cars, like Zonda's, Veyron's, McLaren F1's, etc.

If your whole hinge on this (from what I see), awesome supercar is 1) it's Lexus badge, and 2) it's price, then I don't know what to say about you as a car enthusiast.

This is not a cheap car. This is not a high production number car. This is not one of those "affordable asian sports cars for people who can't get a supercar". This is a bonafide, luxury supercar, with high end technology. From it's frame, to it's engine, to it's wheels. Top of the line materials, limited production, and a major turning point for Toyota as a whole. In MY eyes, the price justifies the vehicle. I want one. Bad. Too bad Racing games will probably be the closest I get to driving one.

All those cars are either better, more exclusive, or older. Of course the Carrera GT is going to cost more because it did the same things this car did but earlier. Same with the the McLaren. They don't make nearly as many Zonda's or CCX's. The SLR McLaren is the same as the Carrera GT. It was originally designed and priced in 2003 and they haven't lowered the price ever because there wasn't any reason to.

The Carrera GT, Murcielago, SLR McLaren, and the Saleen S7 all cost less than this car.

Lexus has never proven themselves. All the companies you named have either been around much longer than Lexus or have been making supercars longer than Lexus has been.

I like Lexus and I know people will buy this car but that doesn't make it worth it's price or any better than any other car coming out in the near future.

 

[DeathSmiles]

All I read was a bunch of bias, and untruth. And of course Lexus hasn't been around as long as the other brands, and of course they haven't been making supercars as long as the others.

It's pretty common knowledge this vehicle is their first, of the kind. So trying to come at them, or fault them for actually doing it, and it being their first time is retarded. It reinforces my point that not liking them for brand reasons, or anything else of the ilk is dumb. It's saddening, to see that actually. Do we just ignore any brand that hasn't had a 100 year history, now? How the hell are brands supposed to get their start in the supercar market, if we don't ever look their way? Yea, when you answer that, then get back to me. If it was up to you, the supercar would have died along time ago.

This isn't some underpowered POS, from some no-name, brand. It IS Toyota, which is what... the largest auto maker in the world? Good grief, man. They took almost 10 years to bring this out, BECAUSE they wanted to do it right. That shows dedication if I've ever seen it. They built they own tools, to make this, instead of what, borrowing some from another company (like others do).

So fine. You don't like the car because of baaaaah, pricey. Baaaaaaaah, "...it's not a Ferrari/Lamborghini!!"

I'ma take the sane route, and based on my opinions of the vehicle, on it's automotive design, and performance, like a normal person, would. =)

 

[TVC]

All I read was a bunch of bias, and untruth. And of course Lexus hasn't been around as long as the other brands, and of course they haven't been making supercars as long as the others.

It's pretty common knowledge this vehicle is their first, of the kind. So trying to come at them, or fault them for actually doing it, and it being their first time is retarded. It reinforces my point that not liking them for brand reasons, or anything else of the ilk is dumb. It's saddening, to see that actually. Do we just ignore any brand that hasn't had a 100 year history, now? How the hell are brands supposed to get their start in the supercar market, if we don't ever look their way? Yea, when you answer that, then get back to me. If it was up to you, the supercar would have died along time ago.

This isn't some underpowered POS, from some no-name, brand. It IS Toyota, which is what... the largest auto maker in the world? Good grief, man. They took almost 10 years to bring this out, BECAUSE they wanted to do it right. That shows dedication if I've ever seen it. They built they own tools, to make this, instead of what, borrowing some from another company (like others do).

So fine. You don't like the car because of baaaaah, pricey. Baaaaaaaah, "...it's not a Ferrari/Lamborghini!!"

I'ma take the sane route, and based on my opinions of the vehicle, on it's automotive design, and performance, like a normal person, would. =)

When did I say I didn't like Lexus or Toyota?

I never said it was a bad thing they are making it or that it is a bad car and no one will buy it. I just think it is over priced and a lot of other people agree with that. Tell me how this car is any better than the F458 or the McLaren MP4-12c? Besides the fact it isn't turboed.

Generally brands get into the supercar market by proving they are good at making fast cars.

By overpriced I mean compared to it's competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if Lexus is losing money for each one built. I guess the fact they are making 500 is an okay reason for their price and they are relatively cheap for what they are. Then again this is Lexus. This car was originally thought to only cost $200,000.

 

[McLaren]

All those cars are either better, more exclusive, or older. Of course the Carrera GT is going to cost more because it did the same things this car did but earlier. Same with the the McLaren. They don't make nearly as many Zonda's or CCX's. The SLR McLaren is the same as the Carrera GT. It was originally designed and priced in 2003 and they haven't lowered the price ever because there wasn't any reason to.

The Carrera GT, Murcielago, SLR McLaren, and the Saleen S7 all cost less than this car.

No, they don't.
When these cars were new, they retailed $440,000 (CGT), $354,000 (LP640), $507,000 (SLR base), & $589,000 (S7). Last I checked, $350,000 was less than all those.
Even on the used market, some of these cars are still more expensive than the LF-A.

I like Lexus and I know people will buy this car but that doesn't make it worth it's price or any better than any other car coming out in the near future.

In your opinion.

I never said it was a bad thing they are making it or that it is a bad car and no one will buy it. I just think it is over priced and a lot of other people agree with that. Tell me how this car is any better than the F458 or the McLaren MP4-12c? Besides the fact it isn't turboed.

Too early to tell for both us to make such a statement except that LFA so far, has lapped the 'Ring in 7:30 production-spec, which isn't bad seeing as that's faster than a Zonda F & 997 GT2, as well as near on the mark of a Carrera GT.

 

[TVC]

No, they don't.
When these cars were new, they retailed $440,000 (CGT), $354,000 (LP640), $507,000 (SLR base), & $589,000 (S7). Last I checked, $350,000 was less than all those.
Even on the used market, some of these cars are still more expensive than the LF-A.

That is ignoring the rest of the automotive market. If the cars cost less now (and they do) then someone might buy one of them instead of the LF-A.

Which are more expensive? There is an SLR McLaren for sale for $320,000, a Carrera GT for $310,000, a Saleen S7 for $275,000, and an LP-640 for sale for $295,000.

 

[DeathSmiles]

When did I say I didn't like Lexus or Toyota?

It was implied through your post. It's like you are faulting them for being Lexus. For the the car being a Lexus. As if they have no right to put a car of this type out in the first place.

Generally brands get into the supercar market by proving they are good at making fast cars.

You aren't even making sense. They just did. A fast car has been built. An extremely fast one. Is it because a car having a top speed over 200MPH is becoming more common place, that people take anything that isn't gonna potentially gonna break the sound barrier for granted. Again, kind of sad. In the same respect, being a 200MPH sports car is still a major achievement, especially since this is from Toyota, and not an older, known for making supercars auto company, wouldn't you agree?

By overpriced I mean compared to it's competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if Lexus is losing money for each one built. I guess the fact they are making 500 is an okay reason for their price and they are relatively cheap for what they are. Then again this is Lexus. This car was originally thought to only cost $200,000.

Subjective. Not everyone, like myself for example, would agree with you on that. Also, I named several that have 400,000 or more price tags. And that's an average. I could find a few examples from the aforementioned 400k cars. But that's neither their original/MSRP price, or what the average fetch for them are.

And yes, it was stated at the unveiling of the car, that Toyota will be losing money on each one.

 

[McLaren]

That is ignoring the rest of the automotive market. If the cars cost less now (and they do) then someone might buy one of them instead of the LF-A.

Which are more expensive? There is an SLR McLaren for sale for $320,000, a Carrera GT for $310,000, a Saleen S7 for $275,000, and an LP-640 for sale for $295,000.

And you're ignoring the fact that
A) That's the price for 1 car, not every other car of the same model.
B) How's the condition of that car combined to brand new LF-A?

Don't bring up the used vs. new example because right now, there are no used LF-A's on the market, and the used cars are all of various conditions.

I can drop $375K now and get a LF-A in any color combo. I want with just delivery miles. The closest I have on the used market is choosing to pay $370K for a red Carrera GT with 4,300 miles or $400K for black Carrera GT with 3,000 miles.

 

[YSSMAN]

So fine. You don't like the car because of baaaaah, pricey. Baaaaaaaah, "...it's not a Ferrari/Lamborghini!!"

I'ma take the sane route, and based on my opinions of the vehicle, on it's automotive design, and performance, like a normal person, would. =)

Brand snobbery has nothing to do with the somewhat poor reception the car has had here. As Toronado and I both discussed a few pages back, the LF-A is old. Very old. In a year when we've had the new MP4-12C, 458 Italia, R8 V10, ZR1, GT-R V-Spec, LP640-SV and the like debut... The Lexus ends up getting washed out just a bit. The development cycle was too long to become a dominating vehicle in the segment, simply put. If the car would have come out two years ago, when it was supposed to, it would have blown everyone's minds. But now? Sure, they're doing a good thing with the car, but it isn't the performance benchmark that we were expecting.

 

[niky]

The big difference between the LF-A and any of these cars is its bespokeness.

The Carrera GT is the only one that's more bespoke... since it shares nearly nothing (engine, layout, etcetera) with lower Porsches.

The Lamborghini is using an engine based on older in-house architecture. Every time they need a new engine, they just re-engineer the old one.

Zonda: AMG.

Saleen: Ford.

The LFA is a grounds-up design, in every way... and I believe some buyers will appreciate that.

In this market, secondhand means: non-virgin... unless we're talking rarities with collectibility like the McLaren F1, not many people are lining up to buy these cars secondhand... heck... Mercedes has trouble pushing out SLRs brand new, and Porsche didn't push Carrera GTs out too quickly (as I recall, production was cut short) which is why they're so cheap secondhand.

I'd buy a Carrera GT secondhand, though... if I had the money...

And as to whether Toyota can make an exclusive car and get away with it?

Sure, it cost more than a 911 when new... but it'll fetch over twice as much at an auction nowadays...

 

[Tornado]

and the used cars are all of various conditions.

Ferrari Enzo. Only one owner.

I can drop $375K now and get a LF-A in any color combo. I want with just delivery miles. The closest I have on the used market is choosing to pay $370K for a red Carrera GT with 4,300 miles or $400K for black Carrera GT with 3,000 miles.

Admittedly, I'd get the Porsche. Assuming the 4300 miles isn't 17,200 drag races or something.

 

[McLaren]

Admittedly, I'd get the Porsche. Assuming the 4300 miles isn't 17,200 drag races or something.

I figure a lot of people would, but that's kind of my point. You can't just say, "I want the red one, but I want the interior from the black one & the lower miles without shelling out $30K more for an exterior color I don't want."

 

[DeathSmiles]

Brand snobbery has nothing to do with the somewhat poor reception the car has had here. As Toronado and I both discussed a few pages back, the LF-A is old. Very old. In a year when we've had the new MP4-12C, 458 Italia, R8 V10, ZR1, GT-R V-Spec, LP640-SV and the like debut... The Lexus ends up getting washed out just a bit. The development cycle was too long to become a dominating vehicle in the segment, simply put. If the car would have come out two years ago, when it was supposed to, it would have blown everyone's minds. But now? Sure, they're doing a good thing with the car, but it isn't the performance benchmark that we were expecting.

As I said, it's not about top speed. The tech, materials, and construction is still very top notch, and new. High grade, Etc. The car has indeed been in production for awhile, but in no way is the car "old". That's a false, uneducated perception.

If all you were/are looking for in every new car is some kind of new top speed, that will break a new lap record on the Top Gear track, then there's a problem here, that needs to be addressed.

Also, last I checked, brand snobbery was a major factor in what's going on with it's reception over the web. The performance numbers rival, and surpass alot of it's aimed competition. Yet because it's a Japanese car, it's being faulted.

-"It should have been cheaper! Since -insert other Japanese company who made a cheaper sports car here-"

Why should have Toyota made this a more affordable car? Because it's Japanese? How come no one complains that Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any other company, big or small, didn't put out a cheaper car than the ones they constantly churn out every few years?

 

[niky]

EDIT: and to add... makes no difference if the F430 Scuderia is faster than the F599... you know which car is the top dog on the line-up... and it has nothing to do with lap-times and everything to do with snob-appeal.

Oh... forgot to add...

Toyota 2000GT: brand new: $6500
Porsche 911: brand new: $6000

Today: Mint condition:
2000GT: $285,000
911: $60,000 or thereabouts

Of course, they made a zillion more 911s. There's a good reason that Toyota is limiting production. Keeps the car "special".

I want my LF-A in white, please. To sit beside my black Carrera GT and gray McLaren F1. No... no pics... my Hasselblad is broken.

 

[TVC]

And you're ignoring the fact that
A) That's the price for 1 car, not every other car of the same model.
B) How's the condition of that car combined to brand new LF-A?

Don't bring up the used vs. new example because right now, there are no used LF-A's on the market, and the used cars are all of various conditions.

I can drop $375K now and get a LF-A in any color combo. I want with just delivery miles. The closest I have on the used market is choosing to pay $370K for a red Carrera GT with 4,300 miles or $400K for black Carrera GT with 3,000 miles.

It would be hard to post ever for sale ad.

They are in good condition.

If the car is used or new is beside the point. The point was that some of the cars listed do not cost as much as the LFA. Whether they are used or new does not matter. What does matter is the market.

It was implied through your post. It's like you are faulting them for being Lexus. For the the car being a Lexus. As if they have no right to put a car of this type out in the first place.



You aren't even making sense. They just did. A fast car has been built. An extremely fast one. Is it because a car having a top speed over 200MPH is becoming more common place, that people take anything that isn't gonna potentially gonna break the sound barrier for granted. Again, kind of sad. In the same respect, being a 200MPH sports car is still a major achievement, especially since this is from Toyota, and not an older, known for making supercars auto company, wouldn't you agree?



Subjective. Not everyone, like myself for example, would agree with you on that. Also, I named several that have 400,000 or more price tags. And that's an average. I could find a few examples from the aforementioned 400k cars. But that's neither their original/MSRP price, or what the average fetch for them are.

And yes, it was stated at the unveiling of the car, that Toyota will be losing money on each one.

I never said it was a bad car. I never meant to imply it was a bad car. Read the last line in post #434.

What I said seems to make sense to me. Lexus has not really made a supercar before the LFA.

Brand snobbery has nothing to do with the somewhat poor reception the car has had here. As Toronado and I both discussed a few pages back, the LF-A is old. Very old. In a year when we've had the new MP4-12C, 458 Italia, R8 V10, ZR1, GT-R V-Spec, LP640-SV and the like debut... The Lexus ends up getting washed out just a bit. The development cycle was too long to become a dominating vehicle in the segment, simply put. If the car would have come out two years ago, when it was supposed to, it would have blown everyone's minds. But now? Sure, they're doing a good thing with the car, but it isn't the performance benchmark that we were expecting.

I agree. I think the LFA is a good car but I don't think it is any better than any of the cars listed.

As I said, it's not about top speed. The tech, materials, and construction is still very top notch, and new. High grade, Etc. The car has indeed been in production for awhile, but in no way is the car "old". That's a false, uneducated perception.

If all you were/are looking for in every new car is some kind of new top speed, that will break a new lap record on the Top Gear track, then there's a problem here, that needs to be addressed.

Also, last I checked, brand snobbery was a major factor in what's going on with it's reception over the web. The performance numbers rival, and surpass alot of it's aimed competition. Yet because it's a Japanese car, it's being faulted.

-"It should have been cheaper! Since -insert other Japanese company who made a cheaper sports car here-"

Why should have Toyota made this a more affordable car? Because it's Japanese? How come no one complains that Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any other company, big or small, didn't put out a cheaper car than the ones they constantly churn out every few years?

The parts on the other cars are probably just as nice. By old I think he meant it would have been a lot better if they released it a few years ago. If they released it before cars like the F458 and McLaren MP4-12c were even announced nothing would be anything like it.

Performance isn't all that matters. When someone buys a car as expensive as the LFA they are buying it for more than performance and looks. Everyone who could afford it would buy a ZR-1 or ACR because there would be no point in spending 3 to 4 times that on a different car if performance was the only reason to buy a sports car.

Like I said in my earlier posts. I like Lexus and I think the LFA is a good car. I just don't understand how it is any better than other cars that cost less. Of course people are going to buy it because it has a lot to do with personal taste and what they want but acting like it is so much better than anything that Lamborghini, Ferrari, or any other European company can make makes no sense.

 

[Azuremen]

Like I said in my earlier posts. I like Lexus and I think the LFA is a good car. I just don't understand how it is any better than other cars that cost less. Of course people are going to buy it because it has a lot to do with personal taste and what they want but acting like it is so much better than anything that Lamborghini, Ferrari, or any other European company can make makes no sense.

I don't think anyone here has tried to argue this. At all. You somehow have created this image in your head that people are saying this car is better or worse than a Carrera GT. It is neither - is is just different.

Most people would rather spend money on a new car than "better" used one. A lot of your argument is hypothetical, weighing largely on "probably" or "could."

And your initial posts just reeked of bias against an expensive Toyota/Lexus.

 

[TVC]

I don't think anyone here has tried to argue this. At all. You somehow have created this image in your head that people are saying this car is better or worse than a Carrera GT. It is neither - is is just different.

Most people would rather spend money on a new car than "better" used one. A lot of your argument is hypothetical, weighing largely on "probably" or "could."

And your initial posts just reeked of bias against an expensive Toyota/Lexus.

I never said the Carrera GT is a better car or worse car.

That's not always true. Most people who buy a car that expensive buy it because they like the brand, how it drives, or how it looks. That is why people buy Porsche Turbos when they could easily buy a ZR-1 and have a faster car.

In my first posts I never said the LFA was bad because it was expensive and I am not against an expensive Lexus or Toyota. I just said that it may not be as good as cars coming out in the near future that cost less.

 

[McLaren]

It would be hard to post ever for sale ad.

They are in good condition.

If the car is used or new is beside the point. The point was that some of the cars listed do not cost as much as the LFA. Whether they are used or new does not matter. What does matter is the market.

Yeah, some, not all. You said a Carrera GT is cheaper than a LF-A. Yeah, maybe 4, but then you have to decide if you want a car that's already been used, a car you can't change at sale, & could be in any kind of condition compared to a car that's brand new & how you want for 1 price.

Fact is, in the same conditions, the LF-A is cheaper new than the Carrera GT ever was.