Lexus LF-A: The Long and Winding Road

[TVC]

Yeah, some, not all. You said a Carrera GT is cheaper than a LF-A. Yeah, maybe 4, but then you have to decide if you want a car that's already been used, a car you can't change at sale, & could be in any kind of condition compared to a car that's brand new & how you want for 1 price.

Fact is, in the same conditions, the LF-A is cheaper new than the Carrera GT ever was.

But my point was never about condition or options or anything like that. My point was that a Carrera GT is generally cheaper than an LFA in the current market not the market both were originally sold in.

All of the ones on Ebay that have a buy it now price are less than an LFA.

I said "some" because cars like the CCX and the Pagani Zonda which were listed cost more.

 

[McLaren]

But my point was never about condition or options or anything like that. My point was that a Carrera GT is generally cheaper than an LFA in the current market not the market both were originally sold in.

That's not what you said earlier.

The Carrera GT, Murcielago, SLR McLaren, and the Saleen S7 all cost less than this car.

You said, "the", not "a".

All of the ones on Ebay that have a buy it now price are less than an LFA.

I said "some" because cars like the CCX and the Pagani Zonda which were listed cost more.

Ebay.

You must not realize the prices on EBay are not what the dealers are really asking, do you? Go look around DuPont, and you'll see what the dealers actually want.

 

[DeathSmiles]

DuPont

That's where I got my numbers from. And I'm sure when attempting to get a more accurate market value of all luxury and sport cars, others do the same.

Ebay is more of a "this man is willing to let his go for this kind of price", kind of thing. It's not accurate, especially if it's soley being based on the Buy it Now, price. It would have been better to go upon the final sale/current bid price, wouldn't you think [TVC]?

 

[TVC]

That's not what you said earlier.

You said, "the", not "a".


Ebay.

You must not realize the prices on EBay are not what the dealers are really asking, do you? Go look around DuPont, and you'll see what the dealers actually want.

Okay. No reason to laugh. Sorry I do not know as much as you know. I will never look at Ebay again. I just thought people put cars there to sell them not to just make people think they can buy them?

Also I said "the" because "a" would sound weird to most people. Just think of it. "A Carrera GT." What Carrera GT? Which Carrera GT? Not to mention the original post said "the" Carrera GT is more expensive.

Either way it is possible to get a Carrera GT for less than an LFA.

I don't understand why you are talking about the Carrera GT so much though. This is the LFA thread.

That's where I got my numbers from. And I'm sure when attempting to get a more accurate market value of all luxury and sport cars, others do the same.

Ebay is more of a "this man is willing to let his go for this kind of price", kind of thing. It's not accurate, especially if it's soley being based on the Buy it Now, price. It would have been better to go upon the final sale/current bid price, wouldn't you think [TVC]?

I don't know. I seem to have been wrong about Ebay. You should ask your friend McLaren. He seems to be an expert on Ebay. Though you seem to know a lot about Ebay yourself so you might already know the answer?

 

[mPWRD]

Half the expensive cars out there for sale on Ebay are complete BS listings. Average DuPont price for these cars:

Carrera GT: $400,000
Murcielago LP640: $425,000
Ferrari 599: $315,000
Benz SLR: Anywhere from $250,000 to over half a mil (cannot be factored into price comparos)
Saleen S7: $350,000

Compare that to $375,000 for a new Lexus LFA... not a bad deal.

Interestingly enough, some other performance competitors include the Ford GT ($155,000), Corvette ZR1 ($105,000), Nissan GT-R ($80,000). I don't think anyone would cross-shop these with the Lexus though.

 

[McLaren]

That's where I got my numbers from. And I'm sure when attempting to get a more accurate market value of all luxury and sport cars, others do the same.

Ebay is more of a "this man is willing to let his go for this kind of price", kind of thing. It's not accurate, especially if it's soley being based on the Buy it Now, price. It would have been better to go upon the final sale/current bid price, wouldn't you think [TVC]?

The current bid price isn't that great either because a lot of times, you'll see something like "Current Bid: $200K" with "Reserve Not Met". When you go look up the car on DuPont, you'll see that what they want is "$350,000", and that that price is actually higher than what the dealer is listing as the "Buy Now".

For example, this car below is bidding for $290,000 with a Buy It price of $339,900.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNBE...ewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item1e58c08434

Found it on DuPont, with the dealer wanting $369,800.
http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=688035

 

[McLaren]

Also I said "the" because "a" would sound weird to most people. Just think of it. "A Carrera GT." What Carrera GT? Which Carrera GT? Not to mention the original post said "the" Carrera GT is more expensive.

You said the because you believed those cars were cheaper. They weren't.

I don't understand why you are talking about the Carrera GT so much though. This is the LFA thread

You're the one claiming the car is cheaper instead of just a used model.

DP....Please merge.

 

[TVC]

You said the because you believed those cars were cheaper. They weren't.


You're the one claiming the car is cheaper instead of just a used model.

DP....Please merge.

I see multiple ones on Dupont Registry for $310,000 to $370,000 which is cheaper than the LFA.

You're the one claiming the car is cheaper instead of just a used model.

I don't even know what this means. I said the Carrera GT is cheaper in my first post because it can easily be found for less than the price of an LFA. You started to talk about the Carrera GT even though this is the LFA thread. I don't know why you are continuing on talking about it. Okay so some Carrera GT's are more expensive. Some are also less expensive. I don't know what you are trying to do. Sorry I did not know Ebay was not real. Sorry I do not agree with everything that you say.

 

[YSSMAN]

As I said, it's not about top speed. The tech, materials, and construction is still very top notch, and new. High grade, Etc. The car has indeed been in production for awhile, but in no way is the car "old". That's a false, uneducated perception.

I'd love to be enlightened by what "groundbreaking" technology is being introduced with the vehicle. As far as I can tell, there isn't much there that is going to change the face of the motoring world on the whole. Simply put, there are too many cars with 500+ BHP powerplants, six speed sequential gearboxes, and overdeveloped aerodynamics to make the LF-A the strongest player in the segment. Sure, Toyota invested a crap ton of money to do it on their own, and of course, that will pay off in the future... But that doesn't make a convincing case for a lot of people to have a positive or negative opinion of the vehicle.

I've attempted to stay mostly positive about the car, but I'm just not as wowed as I would have liked to have been. The car is good, damn good at that, but in a crowd as thick as pea soup, it has a lot of competition to stand out against. It being the newest, it has a fair shot of doing very, very well. But I do fear that in the long term, it won't be as fondly remembered as it likely should be. In terms of an engineering exercise, its spot-on, but the incredibly long development cycle has hampered its ability to make a massive impact. Despite that, engineering excellence cannot place that on the top of the heap if only for that reason. Furthermore, based on the initial performance figures released by Toyota, it won't be on top of a lot of its production competition either. That doesn't make it a bad car in any way, but it doesn't exactly make it the car that I had expected it to be, or for that matter, that a lot of people here (and even in the motoring press) had expected either.

On some of your other points...

Also, last I checked, brand snobbery was a major factor in what's going on with it's reception over the web. The performance numbers rival, and surpass alot of it's aimed competition. Yet because it's a Japanese car, it's being faulted.

It being the internet, would you really expect anything else? Nameless, unwarranted hate of any given product is likely based on arbitrary opinions that may or may not be true. I'm normally one of just a few people who champion the American entries (especially here on GTP), and my experience is often no different. If your car of choice has the goods, then so be it, regardless of the nation of origin, or even what brand its from. But, that doesn't mean much in many cases. See below.

Why should have Toyota made this a more affordable car? Because it's Japanese? How come no one complains that Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any other company, big or small, didn't put out a cheaper car than the ones they constantly churn out every few years?

I think you're coming to a different conclusion to the pricing than what I did. Previously, I had been under the impression that the LF-A was going to be a full-production vehicle, with thousands rolling out to the street every year. That would imply a far lower entry cost. So, you can imagine why I would be caught off guard by low production numbers, and thereby, the high sticker price.

The difference with Lamborghini, Porsche and Ferrari (among others) is that they've been able to capitalize on their brand names to charge whatever they like. Its badge capitalism. On the flip side, that's when you see companies like Chevrolet struggle with the idea of a $110,000 Corvette, despite its performance figures that rival others that cost three times as much. Toyota (well, Lexus) likely faced the exact same problem. It would seem logical that the bosses got together to ask themselves if they wanted to build a bunch at a low price, or just a few, to attempt to re-account for the cost. In the end, I think they made the right decision, regardless if I think the price is high or not.

EDIT:

Cars in the Price Segment

Just for reference, I'd care to look at whats new and available for around the same price, offering similar levels of performance. The typical vehicles would have to factor in...

* Nissan GT-R Spec-V
* Dodge Viper ACR
* Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
* Audi R8 5.2 FSI
* Porsche 911 GT2
* Lamborghini LP560-4
* Ferrari F430 Scud (458 Italia)
* Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR (SLS)
* Ferrari 599 GTB
* Lamborghini LP640-4 SV

...And so on...

All of which are pretty hardcore benchmarks, all capable of sub-4.0 second 0-60 times, top speeds that scratch at 200+ MPH, and other handling figures that would make a lot of cars previously measured as the benchmarks blush. All of which, as far as I can remember, can be had for just about the same price as the LF-A (in USD).

 

[TVC]

I'd love to be enlightened by what "groundbreaking" technology is being introduced with the vehicle. As far as I can tell, there isn't much there that is going to change the face of the motoring world on the whole. Simply put, there are too many cars with 500+ BHP powerplants, six speed sequential gearboxes, and overdeveloped aerodynamics to make the LF-A the strongest player in the segment. Sure, Toyota invested a crap ton of money to do it on their own, and of course, that will pay off in the future... But that doesn't make a convincing case for a lot of people to have a positive or negative opinion of the vehicle.

I've attempted to stay mostly positive about the car, but I'm just not as wowed as I would have liked to have been. The car is good, damn good at that, but in a crowd as thick as pea soup, it has a lot of competition to stand out against. It being the newest, it has a fair shot of doing very, very well. But I do fear that in the long term, it won't be as fondly remembered as it likely should be. In terms of an engineering exercise, its spot-on where it should be, but the incredibly long development cycle has hampered its ability to make a massive impact. Despite that, engineering excellence cannot place that on the top of the heap if only for that reason. Furthermore, based on the initial figures released by Toyota, it won't be on top of a lot of its production competition either. That doesn't make it a bad car in any way, but it doesn't exactly make it the car that I had expected it to be, or for that matter, that a lot of people here (and even in the motoring press) had expected either.

On some of your other points...

The difference with Lamborghini, Porsche and Ferrari (among others) is that they've been able to capitalize on their brand names to charge whatever they like. Its badge capitalism. On the flip side, that's when you see companies like Chevrolet struggle with the idea of a $110,000 Corvette, despite its performance figures that rival others that cost three times as much. Toyota (well, Lexus) likely faced the exact same problem. It would seem logical that the bosses got together to ask themselves if they wanted to build a bunch at a low price, or just a few, to attempt to re-account for the cost. In the end, I think they made the right decision, regardless if I think the price is high or not.

I agree with this. It is a great car but has a lot of competition that has wasn't around when they were developing it.

 

[McLaren]

I see multiple ones on Dupont Registry for $310,000 to $370,000 which is cheaper than the LFA.

A LF-A starts at $350,000. What's cheaper again at $370K?

I don't even know what this means. I said the Carrera GT is cheaper in my first post because it can easily be found for less than the price of an LFA. You started to talk about the Carrera GT even though this is the LFA thread. I don't know why you are continuing on talking about it. Okay so some Carrera GT's are more expensive. Some are also less expensive. I don't know what you are trying to do. Sorry I did not know Ebay was not real. Sorry I do not agree with everything that you say.

You said the Carrera GT is cheaper. In case your grammar is rusty, using "the" implies the car is new as only new cars are still referred to by "the". If you were talking about used, you would have used "a" instead. I only used the Carrera GT as an example because I'm not going to be constantly comparing the used market of 4 cars compared to a car that has yet to even see the used lot.

The issue you have is that you're trying to justify that it's better to spend money on one of your 4 examples because they're cheaper. On the used market, and repeatedly ignore that just because they're cheaper doesn't mean you should spend your money on them instead. With the LF-A, you choose what you want, & you're done. You can't do that with a CGT or S7 unless you search high & low.

That's my point. Yes, you can go ahead and buy your SLR or whatever for cheaper used. Doesn't mean you bought the better car.

Cars in the Price Segment

Just for reference, I'd care to look at whats new and available for around the same price, offering similar levels of performance. The typical vehicles would have to factor in...

* Nissan GT-R Spec-V
* Dodge Viper ACR
* Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
* Audi R8 5.2 FSI
* Porsche 911 GT2
* Lamborghini LP560-4
* Ferrari F430 Scud (458 Italia)
* Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR (SLS)
* Ferrari 599 GTB
* Lamborghini LP640-4 SV

...And so on...

All of which are pretty hardcore benchmarks, all capable of sub-4.0 second 0-60 times, top speeds that scratch at 200+ MPH, and other handling figures that would make a lot of cars previously measured as the benchmarks blush. All of which, as far as I can remember, can be had for just about the same price as the LF-A (in USD).

Wait, are you trying to compare cars with 1 or the other (doesn't matter), or cars that have both?

I'm assuming you mean 1 or the other, but because there's a few on your list that have similar performance, but not around the same price range.

 

[TVC]

A LF-A starts at $350,000. What's cheaper again at $370K?

LFA goes from $350,000 to $375,000

You said the Carrera GT is cheaper. In case your grammar is rusty, using "the" implies the car is new as only new cars are still referred to by "the". If you were talking about used, you would have used "a" instead. I only used the Carrera GT as an example because I'm not going to be constantly comparing the used market of 4 cars compared to a car that has yet to even see the used lot.

The issue you have is that you're trying to justify that it's better to spend money on one of your 4 examples because they're cheaper. On the used market, and repeatedly ignore that just because they're cheaper doesn't mean you should spend your money on them instead. With the LF-A, you choose what you want, & you're done. You can't do that with a CGT or S7 unless you search high & low.

That's my point. Yes, you can go ahead and buy your SLR or whatever for cheaper used. Doesn't mean you bought the better car.

Okay.

 

[McLaren]

LFA goes from $350,000 to $375,000

And? I can still get one for $350K which I'm pretty sure crosses out a few Carrera GTs that were under $375K, but still more than the LF-A's starting MSRP.

 

[Leonidae]

In addition, LFA has the new "Wow!-car of the moment" cape on it's shoulders, and it's loaded with Lexus/Toyota's latest know how. And rich people like to have the latest things, no matter how weird they are.

 

[TVC]

And? I can still get one for $350K which I'm pretty sure crosses out a few Carrera GTs that were under $375K, but still more than the LF-A's starting MSRP.

Then don't get a Carrera GT? But really I still don't understand why you continue to talk about the Carrera GT.

It's like you are mad that I said some Carrera GT's are less than LFA's. SORRY. I actually said "the" Carrera GT costs less than the LFA. What was I thinking? I never should have thought that people would be smart enough to realize that not every single car for sale is going to be less than the LFA. Who new saying "the" means you are talking about new cars.

 

[Azuremen]

Then don't get a Carrera GT? But really I still don't understand why you continue to talk about the Carrera GT.

It's like you are mad that I said some Carrera GT's are less than LFA's. SORRY. I actually said "the" Carrera GT costs less than the LFA. What was I thinking? I never should have thought that people would be smart enough to realize that not every single car for sale is going to be less than the LFA. Who new saying "the" means you are talking about new cars.

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here any more.

Basically, your whole initial argument hinged on how people could get other super cars, like a Carrera GT, for less. Initially, you claimed new that these car where less, then when that was called out, you switched to used, and then that has been called out.

Just stop, think a moment, and leave before you do yourself anymore harm.

 

[TVC]

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here any more.

Basically, your whole initial argument hinged on how people could get other super cars, like a Carrera GT, for less. Initially, you claimed new that these car where less, then when that was called out, you switched to used, and then that has been called out.

Just stop, think a moment, and leave before you do yourself anymore harm.

No. My argument the whole time was that it was possible to get a used Carrera GT for less than $350,000. I NEVER said a new one was less. I said in today's market a Carrera GT costs less. I assumed that when I say "The Carrera GT" or "The SLR McLaren" most people would go "He must mean in todays market." I mean it is simple. Why would I be talking about a car that is not even out and comparing it to what the price of a car was 4 years ago?

Read post #438. I thought we cleared this up when I posted this but McLaren continues to talk about it.

I am not mad at anyone if it seems like I am.

 

[YSSMAN]

Wait, are you trying to compare cars with 1 or the other (doesn't matter), or cars that have both?

I'm assuming you mean 1 or the other, but because there's a few on your list that have similar performance, but not around the same price range.

In my mind, I'm thinking of vehicles that perform right around the given Toyota performance figures (0-60 in 3.7 seconds, 202 MPH top speed, etc), and prices that are sub-$400K. I am likely slightly misguided in the prices of some of the vehicles, as I know they change rather frequently. Last I recall, the 599 GTB was sitting around $360K, with the SLR and SV being nearby.

I'd assume, at least, that the majority of those vehicles would be considered as competition for the LF-A. Although, I have no idea what their (Toyota's) benchmarks were at any given time, especially when considering the gap between the first concept, the prototypes, and now the production vehicle.

 

[niky]

Cars in the Price Segment

Just for reference, I'd care to look at whats new and available for around the same price, offering similar levels of performance. The typical vehicles would have to factor in...

* Nissan GT-R Spec-V
* Dodge Viper ACR
* Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
* Audi R8 5.2 FSI
* Porsche 911 GT2
* Lamborghini LP560-4
* Ferrari F430 Scud (458 Italia)
* Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR (SLS)
* Ferrari 599 GTB
* Lamborghini LP640-4 SV

...And so on...

All of which are pretty hardcore benchmarks, all capable of sub-4.0 second 0-60 times, top speeds that scratch at 200+ MPH, and other handling figures that would make a lot of cars previously measured as the benchmarks blush. All of which, as far as I can remember, can be had for just about the same price as the LF-A (in USD).

Hmmm...

Cross-shopping... SLR, yes, 599, yes... LP640, yes, R8, yes.

Scud, 911, GT-R, Corvette, Viper, Gallardo... no. It's simply not that kind of car.

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And yes... secondhand versus brand new... does matter... especially to buyers at this price point. No one who has half-a-million in jack now to buy a Porsche Carrera GT didn't have half-a-million in jack to buy it when it was new. And why would they want to buy one used?

Exotic buyers want the best... and they'll want to be the first. These aren't people settling on a secondhand Corolla just because it costs less than a brand new Focus. These are the kind of people who will go out to a dealer, plunk a hundred thou or so on a Maybach... and... heck... throw in a short-wheelbase one, too... for the wife... and... hey, have any SLRs still lying around? Sure, add it to my bill.

Why would they settle for secondhand? Those who will want the Carrera will wait for the price to go a little lower... these will be speculators... or maybe footballers who want a track toy for weekends... but those who want ultra-exclusive luxury sports-GTs will not be looking at a Carrera or the incredibly harsh-riding SLR... they'll be looking at the newest and best they can afford, like a 599 or... maybe... this.

These people buy watches that cost as much as people's houses simply as jewelry.... for the wow factor... the technical excellence and complication of the mechanisms involved. And they buy cars for the same reason.

Now... ask yourself... how many multi-millionaires buy used jewelry? They may buy antique jewelry... but used? A Carrera, at the moment, is not an antique or a classic... it's simply a used super-sportscar... one with a chattery clutch and an appetite for hedges.

 

[McLaren]

Then don't get a Carrera GT? But really I still don't understand why you continue to talk about the Carrera GT.

Did I not just get through explaining this? You used the Carrera GT & 3 other cars as your example of cars that "cost less" than a LF-A for your comparison. I'm doing the same.

It's like you are mad that I said some Carrera GT's are less than LFA's. SORRY. I actually said "the" Carrera GT costs less than the LFA. What was I thinking? I never should have thought that people would be smart enough to realize that not every single car for sale is going to be less than the LFA. Who new saying "the" means you are talking about new cars.

It's obvious you want to play dumb, so go right ahead.

In my mind, I'm thinking of vehicles that perform right around the given Toyota performance figures (0-60 in 3.7 seconds, 202 MPH top speed, etc), and prices that are sub-$400K. I am likely slightly misguided in the prices of some of the vehicles, as I know they change rather frequently. Last I recall, the 599 GTB was sitting around $360K, with the SLR and SV being nearby.

I'd assume, at least, that the majority of those vehicles would be considered as competition for the LF-A. Although, I have no idea what their (Toyota's) benchmarks were at any given time, especially when considering the gap between the first concept, the prototypes, and now the production vehicle.

niky kind of already said what I was going to say, so I'll just make a small point that the Murcie. SV is a tad more than $400K ($450,000).

 

[DeathSmiles]

Autoblog First Drive w/ LFA

 

[YSSMAN]

I think the Autoblog "review" of the car hit the nail on the head, at least in terms of what I've been thinking when they said this:

It's a front-engine GT, but its MSRP means it doesn't compete with the Ferrari 599. It's a technological tour de force nearly on par with the Bugatti Veyron, but its 202 MPH top speed doesn't come close to the V-max of Ferdinand Piech's quad-turbo masterpiece. It's lithe and nimble, but lacks the directness and tactility of the Lotus Elise. Its 3.7-second zero-to-60 time falls short of the GT-R, and it can't come close to the Nissan's point-to-point brutality. There's simply no frame of reference to apply, which begs the question: Why? Why has Lexus invested hundreds of million of dollars, ran a dozen races and developed nearly every single component in-house to build a scant 500 LFAs and offer them to the world's elite?

It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma coated in carbon fiber.

RE: The Competition

I figured I was wrong on the price for the SV. Although something I've recently been thinking of: The LF-A really makes me wish that Porsche would build a 928 successor off the Panamera to run against this car. The more track-ready GT cars the better.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I think the Autoblog "review" of the car hit the nail on the head, at least in terms of what I've been thinking when they said this:




RE: The Competition

I figured I was wrong on the price for the SV. Although something I've recently been thinking of: The LF-A really makes me wish that Porsche would build a 928 successor off the Panamera to run against this car. The more track-ready GT cars the better.

Well, the bit you quoted was not really the reviewer's conclusion. Those were his questions about the car before he even got to it. This bit looks more like a conclusion:

But a halo vehicle is supposed to bring people into dealerships, and we somehow doubt consumers are going to ogle an LFA then turn around and buy an IS 250. So there's got to be something more...
The age of automotive lightness is nearly upon us, and unconventional wisdom says that the automaker who brings composite production costs out of the stratosphere is going to have a huge advantage going forward. The LFA is a test bed for that development – the first massive leap for the world's largest automaker.

While weight reduction is something all enthusiasts are clamoring for, Toyota's first application is the hyper-expensive LFA. Far, far below that is the FT-86 Concept, which Toyota asserts is the model for lightweight sports coupes going forward. So they've got the LFA at the top and the FT-86 at the bottom... what's in between?

We don't know, but we wouldn't be surprised if Toyota unveils something in the next few years that takes the lessons learned from the LFA and distills them into a lightweight, sub-$100k package. That model – if not that specific vehicle – seems to be the direction President Akio Toyoda is aiming for... and until then, the LFA is here: A harbinger of the future and proof that immensely entertaining things are on the way from Toyota. Finally.

So far the reviews seem really positive over this aggressive monster form Toyota. I never knew they had to complete re-do it because aluminium failed their redigity test. No wonder it took so long before this car was finished. I have to admit, though, that the more I look at the front of the car, the less I like it and the messier it looks. At the same time, I keep on loving the rear more.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, the bit you quoted was not really the reviewer's conclusion. Those were his questions about the car before he even got to it.

I think he was implying that he was struggling with those questions, the same ones I have otherwise been having, even after driving the car. Hes pointed out, as just as many other reviews have, that the car is absolutely brilliant to drive. By all means, Toyota hit the ball out of the park there. But in terms of what the car actually means, and what it will do long term, its still up in the air.

Car and Driver has their LF-A "Review" up as well

 

[opendriver]

nevermind

 

[Jim Prower]

I suppose when one thinks of the car as a testbed, it makes sense..."Can we use our Lean Principles to manufacture this limited run, and then scale it up to something less expensive, with similar tech?"

Sounds like they need a Manufacturing Engineer. I wonder if they're hiring?

 

[Leonidae]

well, in the low end they have the AE86 revival, and on the top they have LFA.. all they need is a nice, 350bhp Supra-like thing in the middle for 30-40k.

 

[DeathSmiles]

well, in the low end they have the AE86 revival, and on the top they have LFA.. all they need is a nice, 350bhp Supra-like thing in the middle for 30-40k.

If it looked like the LFA in anyway, and similar performance numbers, I will be selling my Honda asap.

 

[mPWRD]

well, in the low end they have the AE86 revival, and on the top they have LFA.. all they need is a nice, 350bhp Supra-like thing in the middle for 30-40k.

Won't happen... for a while at least. Toyota's mainstream lineup (i.e. Corolla, Camry) is getting outdated, so they are probably going to focus on that bit next. But if they do build that kind of car.... where do I sign?

 

[Paulie]

I thought a Supra revival was still in the works based off the FT-HS? They keep saying that a new Supra would be a petrol-electric hybrid.