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[schnick]

Then don't use it because it doesn't apply

It does. It's not even an obscure expression so I hope at least I got the main point across.

Maybe! If they already have a career in motorsports, what the hell are they doing as top competitors in the FIAGTC?! They could be out racing, in real cars, for real money! Maybe they’re not all that great in real motorsport, so they take on a bunch of amateurs in a videogame because it’s where they can give themselves pats on the back, by easily beating a bunch of people who’ve never driven an actual racecar! Maybe eSports & ranked multiplayer were mistakes that drain the fun out of every game they touch! I’m so sorry that I play videogames TO HAVE FUN!

I play to have fun too, and yes I'll admit to sometimes taking it a bit too seriously and it stops being fun because I realise I need to suck less and/or git gud and my life now kinda revolves around it which has become a bit unhealthy. Yes, I could stop but I choose not to because of the small chance I might get another free holiday out of it. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with any of those guys competing, they put in the time to race online just like everyone else, they just happen to have real racing experience which of course helps but isn't everything.

 

[AlanH49]

I still prefer the Red Bull, brings back memories of how hard the Red Bull challenge was in GT5. Mind you the x2019 competition doesn't have the fan like the old one. If they brought back the Formula Gran Turismo then I would be on board for using that. If anything, the Merc F1 is a greater test of skill compared to the Super Formula.

The x2019 Competition is around 2-3 seconds slower than LMP1 pole at Spa. So it basically can be considered PD’s own one make car. It isn’t unrealistically quick like the older Red Bull’s.

 

[DesertPenguin]

What with the Toyota sponsor why don't they all drive Toyota Gr. 1 cars and have that be a one-make? Because that car is outdated

 

[bnight]

But I know why only Igor got it. Because he had experience and he's a great formula driver. So he deserves any help he can get and I appreciate the fact that PD is one of his sponsors.

You don't know. He is the reigning GT Sport World Champion and the price for winning the World Championship is real world racing career. So he didn't get this money because he had an experience he get them because he earned them. I do understand you don't like that maybe because somewhere he beat you in the process but you saying that the GT Sport World Champion should not race in GT Sport World Championship just because he won last year is like someone saying that Hamilton shouldn't race just because he won the F1 last season and he has more experience in winning than the other drivers. Guess what in racing you can't be champion unless you beat the champion.

 

[TRL LIGHTNING]

Sorry for the late reply.

Monza T1 is totally different kettle of fish to T1 of Spa. Poker term but at least Nico had 'outs' from that one.

It's not like he could turn right into space available but you're right though. He didn't leave the small amount of room that he had at T1.

I know you're one of the quicker drivers but would you really punish him for that on Spa? That's harsh....



You don't see the consumption (LIGHTNING slightly less fuel than Fraga) but it's shown a few pages ago in the thread. (here) A couple of % difference at max. There was a significant lift in the the run up to the main overtaking place at Spa with a driver behind having to react to it. Gamesmanship at it its worst or best?



Man to man. Did you back off after Fraga used gamesmanship for the 2nd time to keep you from passing him? (A confidential PM if you like.)

Talent and a fantastic race craft (said the subscriber) like yours makes me a huge fan and if you say you backed off strictly to save fuel, I'll believe you, but I just can't get over your reaction going over Radillon. A proper WTF? moment and you even looked over at Fraga about it before dropping back. It shouldn't be bugging me but it really does.

Went out for a few beers this hot and sunny Bank Holiday and all I thought about was, "he didn't back off...did he?" I'm sure my family were good company but I was so distracted, I never noticed.

Yeah because at that lap I was down by 0.2 laps even though I overfueled by 1 lap to push a little bit.
As for my reaction, I was just surprised he had to go that far to do it and I was not expecting that. After that I expected to see a notification popping up saying that incident would be investigated as he would have lost more than 5 secs if he had got those 5 sec time penalty on the track. Again another "weird" decision...

 

[TRL LIGHTNING]

Pretty much, but I don't think he knew how much fuel Hizal was on.

He was sitting right next to me

 

[FoRiZon]

The penalties on that event are handed out manually by judges, right?

Ridiculous if the same penalty system used in sport mode matchmaking are used on the official LAN based ESport championship.

 

[250Cal]

Thats not going to make up 6 seconds...

Genuinely not sure what you're not understanding here. The faster car would be in front of the slower one which would be further compromised by dirty air, increased tyre wear etc. S v M was worth circa 2 secs a lap in clean air.

He was sitting right next to me

Lol

 

[Famine]

He is the reigning GT Sport World Champion and the price for winning the World Championship is real world racing career.

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno... it's not.

 

[Cerebral303]

My random impressions of the weekend:

Wow, that is a lot of confetti!

In the manufacturers, the Latkovski Line at Esse and the following corner in Interlagos would be a guaranteed penalty if track limits were on, his Mercedes fully on the grass every lap being followed by cars on track looked odd and was seemingly never picked up by stewards.

The Latkovski Swipe on Miyazono was horrible to watch, totally pointless, and undid all the work Cody had done this weekend rehabilitating his reputation.

Miyazono pulled a blinder of a strategy in the final and it almost worked, he deserves driver of the day and I look forward to seeing more of him in future competitions.

Fraga shouldn't need to pull tricks if he is the fastest. No one wants to see races settled by stewards, but that's been discussed above.

Poor Suswillo, from pole to 11th in a SF destruction derby. Messy race and as Felix said before - it's about slipstreaming, not skill. In the end there were no Brits through to the final this time.

Congrats to Lopez on his first podium after being in contention in many previous races, and had to laugh in the post race where he was sat in the middle between Fraga and Hizal.

Wow, Hizals brutal honesty in the interview took guts. I have heard this attitude from other drivers but no one has openly said anything. If stewards turn a blind eye then some drivers will take advantage of this. The stewards and PD must know there is a problem anad I'm sure there have been plenty of conversations behind the scenes. In the end I just want to see clean and fair races

When I saw the split for Semi Final B at nations I went "hang on, this isn't fair" - purely by luck of the draw some people are in Group B cars and others in the Fittipaldi for the first race. I know they want to keep variety in the races so we don't see the same once twice, and there is a second chance, but it felt like one race was way more preferable to be in than the other. Maybe it's not so bad, drivers need to be able to do all kinds of racing and be prepared for anything.

Nice to see the familiar team of Jimmy, Tom and Julia returning. There is a warmth and genuine vibe to all of them.

Wow, that really was a lot of confetti.

 

[bnight]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno... it's not.

What is not ? I remember watching the Monaco Finals. I thought the price is same as in GT Academy. Ether way if a Pro driver is fast enough in GT Sport why not let him compete. Did iRacing forbid Lando and Verstappen playing in Spa 24 ?

 

[Famine]

What is not ? I remember watching the Monaco Finals. I thought the price is same as in GT Academy.

It's not. I was at the Monaco finals. It's not.

Fraga has been a racing driver long before GT Sport came out.

Ether way if a Pro driver is fast enough in GT Sport why not let him compete. Did iRacing forbid Lando and Verstappen playing in Spa 24 ?

What relevance does this have to... anything? GT Sport doesn't exclude professional racing drivers from taking part in the FIA Online Championships, and there were at least four in the 24-man final at the weekend - Fraga, Bernal Valverde, and two GT Academy winners (Nick McMillen, Matt Simmons).

 

[MIE1992]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno... it's not.

Isn’t the big prize an FIA racing license?

 

[Famine]

Isn’t the big prize an FIA racing license?

No. An FIA racing licence costs about £250. It wouldn't be much of a "big prize".

The "big prize" is a bronze statue of a futurist sculpture called "Unique Forms of Continuity in Space", plus a trophy given at the annual FIA Prize Giving alongside drivers from the world of physical motorsport, like the winners of the F1 WDC, World Rally, WEC and so on. We've covered these things pretty extensively on GTPlanet for the last two years...

 

[MIE1992]

No. An FIA racing licence costs about £250. It wouldn't be much of a "big prize".

The "big prize" is a bronze statue of a futurist sculpture called "Unique Forms of Continuity in Space", plus a trophy given at the annual FIA Prize Giving alongside drivers from the world of physical motorsport, like the winners of the F1 WDC, World Rally, WEC and so on. We've covered these things pretty extensively on GTPlanet for the last two years...

Is that it? An artpiece, a trophy and an invite to a ceremony?

 

[Famine]

Is that it? An artpiece, a trophy and an invite to a ceremony?

Yes. You get to stand on a stage with the rest of the world of motorsport and called a world champion.

The trophy's background: https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-explains-the-reasons-behind-gt-sports-unique-trophy/

FIA annual Prize Giving: https://www.gtplanet.net/watch-the-...trophies-at-annual-fia-prize-giving-ceremony/

 

[MIE1992]

Yes. You get to stand on a stage with the rest of the world of motorsport and called a world champion.

The trophy's background: https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-explains-the-reasons-behind-gt-sports-unique-trophy/

FIA annual Prize Giving: https://www.gtplanet.net/watch-the-...trophies-at-annual-fia-prize-giving-ceremony/

Then it doesn’t sound worth the effort on my part, I’m sorry. Goodbye Sport Mode, it was nice knowing you. Or not, I’m not sure.

 

[Skygrasper550]

Just watched the Finals, and I have to ask, is that hill following Eau Rouge at Spa a full-throttle section for the X2019? Fraga lifting the throttle there looked weird, it didn't seem right.

 

[watto79]

Is that it? An artpiece, a trophy and an invite to a ceremony?

And a watch! Who knows, at the next one maybe the winner also gets a set of new tyres

Then it doesn’t sound worth the effort on my part, I’m sorry. Goodbye Sport Mode, it was nice knowing you. Or not, I’m not sure.

Was your only reason for playing GTSport to become the world champion? If so, I respect your ambition but that's a long shot for even the very very best players in the game.
I do know that you are having difficulties at the moment but you've made that same comment about not playing anymore in multiple threads now. We get it. You're not going to play anymore for a number of reasons. I genuinely hope you find something you enjoy and makes you happy.

Just watched the Finals, and I have to ask, is that hill following Eau Rouge at Spa a full-throttle section for the X2019? Fraga lifting the throttle there looked weird, it didn't seem right.

You've missed about 20 pages of discussion on that very point! Yes it's full throttle. Yes Fraga lifted and was given a 5 second penalty as a result. No the penalty did not change the result.

They're the basic facts. There's a lot of opinion and emotion about it though. I suggest finding the 'Extra Lap' interview on YouTube for each of the drivers thoughts on it.

 

[kilesa4568]

Yeah because at that lap I was down by 0.2 laps even though I overfueled by 1 lap to push a little bit.

Fair enough, mate. I'll drop it now.

As for my reaction, I was just surprised he had to go that far to do it and I was not expecting that.

He had Mik Hizal stuck to his gearbox so he went into desperation mode.

After that I expected to see a notification popping up saying that incident would be investigated as he would have lost more than 5 secs if he had got those 5 sec time penalty on the track. Again another "weird" decision...

Not seeing the 'under investigation' must have been soul destroying but that was a sneaky bit of gamesmanship by Fraga which dipped into the grey area of rules. Everybody saw something happen but we didn't know what it was until the players gathered around the screen at the end. It doesn't help you now but at least you'll know PD won't tolerate that sort of gamesmanship any more. Not even from Golden Balls himself.

Anyway, you won that event in my eyes and judging by reactions on this forum, everyone here thought so too. Take that to Salzberg with you and kick his #blessed ass.

 

[TRL LIGHTNING]

Just watched the Finals, and I have to ask, is that hill following Eau Rouge at Spa a full-throttle section for the X2019? Fraga lifting the throttle there looked weird, it didn't seem right.

It was a full throttle corner indeed. Not even hard to get it right with full throttle as we have the downforce there

 

[VeeDoubleU]

Then it doesn’t sound worth the effort on my part, I’m sorry. Goodbye Sport Mode, it was nice knowing you. Or not, I’m not sure.

have you really only been playing sport mode because you think you'll become a top tier racing driver, rather than just accepting that it is a core ranked online mode, which allows the fastest drivers the opportunity to go to some cool organised events?

 

[Famine]

Then it doesn’t sound worth the effort on my part, I’m sorry.

That's certainly your call, but I'd suggest the value equation here is a little off-kilter. Here's the prize that, for some reason and despite two years of coverage of this on GTPlanet, you thought you'd get for winning and you class as worth the effort:

*A racing licence (£250 value)

Here's the prize the 2018 winners actually got, which is seemingly not worth the effort:

*A 20-inch tall, 40lb bronze casting of a futurist sculpture
*A trophy only given to motorsport world champions
*Equal stage space with the world champions of F1, F2, F3, rally, WEC, the winners of LM24
*At least two other crystal trophies
*A £1,000 TAG Heuer watch (or two)
*At least two all-expenses holidays to Monaco and St. Petersburg


Of course you'd get one crystal trophy and the holiday to Monaco in both the fictional case and the real one - got to be at Monaco, and win, to get the overall prize after all.

However, given that you think "esports is a cancer" and you don't have the time to put in to raise your DR from 21k to the 70k+ you need to even qualify, I suggest you just kick back and have fun with it rather than focusing on a prize you're not likely to win.

 

[kilesa4568]

have you really only been playing sport mode because you think you'll become a top tier racing driver, rather than just accepting that it is a core ranked online mode, which allows the fastest drivers the opportunity to go to some cool organised events?

Why not? EERIEISSSS does.

*A 20-inch tall, 40lb bronze casting of a futurist sculpture

Do they get to keep that trophy or is it passed on to the next event winner?

 

[Famine]

Do they get to keep that trophy or is it passed on to the next event winner?

I don't actually know - we'd need to ask the four winners (PD made four: one for Nations, three for Manufacturers) from last year, but two of them don't seem to have returned to competition this year.

 

[zzz_pt]

I do understand you don't like that maybe because somewhere he beat you in the process but you saying that the GT Sport World Champion should not race in GT Sport World Championship just because he won last year is like someone saying that Hamilton shouldn't race just because he won the F1 last season and he has more experience in winning than the other drivers. Guess what in racing you can't be champion unless you beat the champion.

Citation needed.

He, or whoever is sponsored by the promotor of a competition, should not compete because of conflict of interests. Couldn't care less who they are. If Ordonez was competing, I'd say the same.

But nice little strawman.

 

[250Cal]

Here's Igor enjoying a trip on the Miglia Mille.

With Kaz.

 

[kilesa4568]

I don't actually know - we'd need to ask the four winners (PD made four: one for Nations, three for Manufacturers) from last year, but two of them don't seem to have returned to competition this year.

Kinda devalues it if they keep making them so I hope they broke the mould after they'd made those four.

PD should probably keep them and start engraving the winners names on the plinth. Build a bit of history in case their esport really takes off.

 

[Skygrasper550]

You've missed about 20 pages of discussion on that very point! Yes it's full throttle. Yes Fraga lifted and was given a 5 second penalty as a result. No the penalty did not change the result.

They're the basic facts. There's a lot of opinion and emotion about it though. I suggest finding the 'Extra Lap' interview on YouTube for each of the drivers thoughts on it.

Well sorry for being late I was asleep when the Finals happened so I only get to watch the uploaded videos.

It was a full throttle corner indeed. Not even hard to get it right with full throttle as we have the downforce there

Oh hey Mike have you managed to cool off now? The tension after the race was so palpable, I could almost touch it

Well in that case, the way I see it, Fraga played dirty and Mike here over-committed to his attack, causing him to use way more fuel than he should. The main issue here is what Fraga did, that throttle lift was uncalled for. Yeah sure, maybe Mike overtaking Fraga would not have made any difference because he wouldn't have been able to hold on to the lead with his fuel level. Maybe the situation could have been avoided? I dunno. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Fraga is willing to get his hands dirty. This is all one big mess, I just hope it doesn't happen again.

 

[kilesa4568]

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Fraga is willing to get his hands dirty.

'Dirty' might be too strong a word for it. Unethical maybe? Either way, PD obviously didn't like it.

If they use Spa again in a future event, everyone will be looking to see if anyone else tries it.