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SrRd RacinG
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The game is to be HUGE by Kazunori himself. I don't expect the loading times to be horrendous, but then again, we might have to withstand long loading times because of the sheer amount of content in the final game. No one knows how long they will be (other than PD), but I sure as heck won't be complaining. I am just too excited!
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I beg your pardon? Since when is it not possible to install a game on a PS3?
Unless you mean the installation would take too much space? I believe they could come up with clever ways around this, like installing tracks only to the HDD and loading simultaneously the cars from the BD and the tracks from the HDD. That would be even faster than reading from the HDD only.
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Even with the hdd install on a 360 for FM3 I was waiting entirely too long between races
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"I believe they could come up with cleaver ways around this, like installing tracks only to the HDD and loading simultaneously the cars from the BD and the tracks from the HDD. That would be even faster than reading from the HDD only ."
I've mentioned that on YT before, don't they do this for pc games sometimes ?.
I've mentioned that on YT before, don't they do this for pc games sometimes ?.
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I bet installations gonna take a while, but load times will be relatively short. I bet they'll be comparable to the demo we're getting in a few days
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Agree with the loading times for current games. It is getting out of controll. Especially connecting to an online race.
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Um full installs are not as good as partial installs.
Let me put it this way; the read speed of the HDD in both consoles is the same (i.e. 70Mb/s). If a game loads from both the HDD and the DVD/blu ray drive at the same time it loads faster than the HDD alone. (70Mb/s + 8Mb/s of the blu-ray = 78Mb/s ---> More than 70Mb/s alone)
Do Xbox 360 games load from both the disc and the HDD after a full install? (any answer to this question please provide a source/evidence)
Because i know PS3 games do, which means they load quicker than a HDD installed game. Not only that, the PS3's processor means the loading times are shortened in comparison to 360 games regardless of the read speed. Oblivion for example, loads twice as quick on the PS3 (although on PC it doesn't have to load at all if you have a high end rig...)
Let me put it this way; the read speed of the HDD in both consoles is the same (i.e. 70Mb/s). If a game loads from both the HDD and the DVD/blu ray drive at the same time it loads faster than the HDD alone. (70Mb/s + 8Mb/s of the blu-ray = 78Mb/s ---> More than 70Mb/s alone)
Do Xbox 360 games load from both the disc and the HDD after a full install? (any answer to this question please provide a source/evidence)
Because i know PS3 games do, which means they load quicker than a HDD installed game. Not only that, the PS3's processor means the loading times are shortened in comparison to 360 games regardless of the read speed. Oblivion for example, loads twice as quick on the PS3 (although on PC it doesn't have to load at all if you have a high end rig...)
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I doubt there will be a full game install but that doesn't mean it can't be done though. What about games downloaded from the store?
What hardware limits?
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This is why i mentioned using 2 discs, one for installation & the other as a menu disc. That's where the multiple disc thing started.Except that would be futile.You would need a 50gb disc just for menus wouldn't you ?.
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No. The 360 dumps the entire ISO onto the console HDD and it plays 100% from there.
Want evidence? Play a 360 game from HDD and when you start it you can clearly hear the optical drive stop and shut down (A distinctive sound) just before the game starts to load.
Does it help? Well, look at it this way. I have Modern Warfare 2 on both PS3 and 360. My 360 version (on HDD) loads OVER twice as fast as my PS3 version (Both single player levels and multiplayer).
There is even a petition on the Infinity Ward forums to get an install option for the PS3 (Which won't happen).
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Sony's install size limitation.
Anyone who has played MGS4 will see whan happens when a 40GB game needs to be installed to played.
Each chapter had to be installed and uninstalled in 4GB chunks.
It was a massive fecking ball-ache.
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Meaning they didn't port it properly as usual. Oblivion is one of the best examples of a correctly ported and optimised game, as it has better graphics and loads quicker on PS3 than on 360 (and we had to wait 6 months for Bethesda to do this because the structure of both consoles is very different). Does MW2 even partially install on PS3?
You try and play GT4 on a high end PC with an emulator and the loading times are twice as long.
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Actually, if you install oblivion to 360's HDD, it loads quicker than the PS3 version. The PS3 version only loaded quicker when the 360 was playing from the disc. (Wow, i'm on fire today LOL)
And then there is Fallout 3 with partial installs on PS3 and it STILL takes twice as long to load then 360 version O.o
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Why do PS3 games take up so much memory compared with 360 games ?.Did they not compress the files enough or something ?.
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No it doesn't, because as i stated, partial installs load/read in unison with the disc, so you get a faster read speed and on properly ported games you get a faster load speed because of the higher speed RAM and more powerful processor.
78Mb/s is faster than 70Mb/s.
I have played both on both consoles, despite owning either console.
EDIT: The better graphics on the PS3 version of Oblivion, i was referring to the longer draw distance and the long range texture rendering that Bethesda put into the game. Even the PC version does not have that option (you do get waaay better graphics on max settings on the PC version naturally, but the long range texture rendering on low draw distances is not possible)
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Some games take advantage of BR size. Like MGS4 which has uncompressed audio and Final Fantasy XIII which has HD audio and 1080p video.
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Why did you buy the same game on both consoles might i ask? The 360 version gets all the DLC why would you then go and buy the PS3 version? I call BS on that.
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not hardware limits its software limits. the ps3 itself could cope with it it hasa 80gb hard drive enough ram to run it. the ps3's hardware could have it installed on the hdd however its only limits made by sony's operating system (software) that would not let you do it.
they could get around it some how little big planet have just released an update where you can move the saved data to another file where it can be arger letting you save more stuff. anyway if pd are such good friends with sony as people say then sony would change it for pd.
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I'm going to write an E-mail to Sony to release a firmware update to remove the install limit for large games like MGS4 and GT5, because the limit right now is not good enough even for partial installs, and with 120GB being the basic console now, its doable because HDD space is not too much of an issue.
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That's not a hardware limit, that's a production limit. Konami didn't want the game to have a 20GB install, and I'm glad about it. There is no hardware limit preventing fuill game installs. All that is required to install a full game on the PS3 is an option in the software. The hardware is fine for it.
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I had the 360 version from release. When I read reviews of the PS3 version being graphically better due to the extra year of development, I grabbed a copy of that one too.
If you find that odd, this will blow your fecking mind.................. I also have the game on PC and the PS3 Game of The Year Edition LOL
Loading times go like this for me and Oblivion:
1. PC
2. 360
3. PS3
You know. You are probably thinking that i'm a 360 fanboy from this thread. But I can't stand the 360. It's the worst made piece of noisy junk I have ever owned. Not a patch on the well built PS3.
But I am also not one of those annoying PS3 owners who sucks sony's nob. The PS3 has some MAJOR flaws. Loading times being one.
PS, never use "I call BS". It makes me cringe. Far too much Americanism.
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Um i learnt the term i call BS from my Northern Irish mates
Theres nothing wrong with being a fanboy by the way
I still disagree, i have played both Oblivion GOTY editions for both consoles, with both installed. And the loading screens when entering buildings etc. is faster on the PS3 (not quite twice as fast as i stated, exaggeration FTL
).After several hours of play i notice both slow down to crawling speed, and every few steps and the game stops to load the environment. Its a combination of overheating and memory hogging game design by Bethesda (which can be sorted by re-setting the console on PS3 of manual de-frag on the 360). Never experienced any of those problems on the PC version.
As far as GT is concerned, because of the sandbox style play i don't think small installs like on MGS4 would work. It could require at the very least half the game to be installed in order to improve loading times all round. (I hope Dave A is right about it being a production limitation thats all i can say).
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