Lockerbie Bomber released

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The only man ever convicted over the Lockerbie passenger plane bombing was Thursday released and allowed to return to Libya on compassionate grounds because he is terminally ill.

What? Honestly I don't think it matters how sick he is, he killd 270 people. He may not be the only one, but he was convicted. Thats my thoughts, he should stay and finish is life sentence. Anyone have any other thoughts?

Source : http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/20/scotland.lockerbie.bomber/index.html
 
Because his crime took place on Scottish soil he was tried, convicted and imprisoned under Scottish law.

And that means that if he has an illness which gives him less than 3 months to live, he will be released on compassionate grounds. That's the deal, I'm afraid.
 
It's a very complicated situation, but the decision to release him was for the Scottish authorities to make. In my view - whether or not his conviction was a fair one - is was the right thing to do, even though many people will disagree.

The minister charged with the final decision was in a very tough position, but I think he has done well. In his statement today, he said "Mr al-Megrahi did not show his victims any comfort or compassion. They were not allowed to return to the bosom of their families to see out their lives, let alone their dying days. No compassion was shown by him to them. But that alone is not a reason for us to deny compassion to him and his family in his final days." In other words, we are civilised people, and this is what civilised people do.
 
That is the oddest law I've ever heard, but I guess theres nothing I can do. I just think its weird that he killed 270 people and got out of jail because he is sick. I'm 100% against it, but I guess its just one of those things that happens and people can't change.
 
If you do such evil things that keep you in prison for long periods of time, and during your time you get a fatal illness, you should die in prison. That's what you earned, so that is what you get.

This law is a disgusting spit-in-the-face to many crime victims and their families. It needs to be changed.
 
that means that if he has an illness which gives him less than 3 months to live, he will be released on compassionate grounds.

That is the oddest law I've ever heard

This law is a disgusting spit-in-the-face to many crime victims and their families. It needs to be changed.

The law doesn't state that terminally ill people are automatically granted freedom. The law only allows for the possibility of release on compassionate grounds if someone is terminally ill - a decision still has to be made, and I assume each case is considered on its own merits. As such, in my view anyway, the law is fine as it is.
 
Indeed. In this case he had an ongoing appeal against the conviction which he had to drop before he was released.
 
Because his crime took place on Scottish soil he was tried, convicted and imprisoned under Scottish law.

And that means that if he has an illness which gives him less than 3 months to live, he will be released on compassionate grounds. That's the deal, I'm afraid.
That gives him a couple months to muster the strength to organize another bombing. But this time, since he's about to die anyway, he'll blow himself up and then France Scotland will be left with nobody to try. Oops. Should have kept him in jail.

EDIT: But apparently many people don't think he did it. Hmph.
 
It's frustrating when we have troops abroad dying whilst fighting terrorism, yet were releasing convicted terrorists so that they can die around there family in comfortable surroundings.

I think it's a disgrace personally.
 
It's frustrating when we have troops abroad dying whilst fighting terrorism, yet were releasing convicted terrorists so that they can die around there family in comfortable surroundings.

I think it's a disgrace personally.

Agreed. The sad thing is there are people in jail for stealing a TV or something like that, they go to jail for a couple years, this guy kills 270 people and gets to go home with his family.

(I don't mean that we should be less strict on people who steal TV's, I meant this guy should go to prison for life for what he's done.)
 
they should have executed him in the same way he executed those 270 people. Put him in a plane and blow it up so that he may suffer the same punishment. For goodness sake, how could he be let go?
 
Politically, its a thin line to walk. While I fully understand the need to be civilized and show compassion in a situation like this, I can fully understand why others would rather keep him in jail to rot. Frustration seems to be a good way to put it. I'd have been alright with him going home to his family to die without the big hullabaloo they had in Tripoli, though.
 
I'd have been alright with him going home to his family to die without the big hullabaloo they had in Tripoli, though.

Personally I found this to be far more disturbing than the release on compassionate grounds. I can certainly see where the government is coming from in regards to releasing him (albeit not my stance on the matter) however it saddens me that he is given a hero’s welcome home.
 
Looks like this guy is getting a much bigger welcome than we thought. They're still celebrating his return.

Rumors are now flowing that a deal was made to release him for oil. Even if that's true or not, this is still an absolutely stupid and despicable decision.
 
I missed that. They had a party like they promised not to then?

The shock of it all.
 
Just seen what the evidence against him was. Convincing!

the case against Al Megrahi was that, on the 7th of December, be bought items of clothing from a shop in Malta which were packed in the suitcase which exploded and brought down Pam Am 103.

They came to this conclusion because of shrards of clothing with remnants of the detonator bearing the name of a shop run in Malta by the chief witness for the prosecution (a man called Tony Gauci). Tony Gauci remembered serving a Liyban-looking person a pair of trousers a few weeks before the bombing, but stated that the man was in his 50s and over 6 feet tall (at the time Al Megrahi was in his 30s and was half a foot smaller). Gauci did finally pick Al Megrahi out in a line-up, but only days after pictures of Al Megrahi was plastered across magazines and papers. This IN itself, if the Court had known about it, would have made this evidence unsafe.

The date of the 7th December was important as this was a day when Al Megrahi was in Malta (he was chief of security for Liyba's national airline, so visited this and other airports on a regular basis): this date was fixed because of a key point by Gauci: that there was an international football match on television. There were two games in those weeks: the 7th December and the 23rd of November. Gauci then made a very key statement: he remembered specifically that, after the gentleman he served had bought the trousers, he at the last minute bought an umbrella because it was raining heavily outside. Investigators checked the weather reports for those days: it indeed did rain heavily on the 23rd of November (when Al Megrahi wasn't in Malta) but didn't rain at all on the 7th December (when he was).

So, in a nutshell, Tony Gauci claimed to have served a man who was 20 years older and half a foot taller and resembled Al Megrahi, two weeks before Al Megrahi was actually in Malta.
 
It's frustrating when we have troops abroad dying whilst fighting terrorism, yet were releasing convicted terrorists so that they can die around there family in comfortable surroundings.

I think it's a disgrace personally.

I think it's fair and compassionate to give non-violent criminals a release before death; however, in this coward's case, free release at 20,000 feet would have been the only just manner in which to do so.
 
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the case against Al Megrahi was that, on the 7th of December, be bought items of clothing from a shop in Malta which were packed in the suitcase which exploded and brought down Pam Am 103.

They came to this conclusion because of shrards of clothing with remnants of the detonator bearing the name of a shop run in Malta by the chief witness for the prosecution (a man called Tony Gauci). Tony Gauci remembered serving a Liyban-looking person a pair of trousers a few weeks before the bombing, but stated that the man was in his 50s and over 6 feet tall (at the time Al Megrahi was in his 30s and was half a foot smaller). Gauci did finally pick Al Megrahi out in a line-up, but only days after pictures of Al Megrahi was plastered across magazines and papers. This IN itself, if the Court had known about it, would have made this evidence unsafe.

The date of the 7th December was important as this was a day when Al Megrahi was in Malta (he was chief of security for Liyba's national airline, so visited this and other airports on a regular basis): this date was fixed because of a key point by Gauci: that there was an international football match on television. There were two games in those weeks: the 7th December and the 23rd of November. Gauci then made a very key statement: he remembered specifically that, after the gentleman he served had bought the trousers, he at the last minute bought an umbrella because it was raining heavily outside. Investigators checked the weather reports for those days: it indeed did rain heavily on the 23rd of November (when Al Megrahi wasn't in Malta) but didn't rain at all on the 7th December (when he was).

So, in a nutshell, Tony Gauci claimed to have served a man who was 20 years older and half a foot taller and resembled Al Megrahi, two weeks before Al Megrahi was actually in Malta.

If this is true then anyone questioning his release should hang their head in shame. He should never have been in found guilty in the first place. The Scottish Justice Secretary who released him did the right thing despite all the pressure on him from various American politicians.

The real shame of this is that someone out there is guilty of murdering 270 people and will probably never be brought to justice.
 
It's frustrating when we have troops abroad dying whilst fighting terrorism, yet were releasing convicted terrorists so that they can die around there family in comfortable surroundings.

I think it's a disgrace personally.

Well said, my thoughts exactly.
 
If this is true then anyone questioning his release should hang their head in shame. He should never have been in found guilty in the first place. The Scottish Justice Secretary who released him did the right thing despite all the pressure on him from various American politicians.

The real shame of this is that someone out there is guilty of murdering 270 people and will probably never be brought to justice.

I always thought that it came across as a bit of fall-guy type case. The evidence is a little iffy and understandably they needed to find someone guilty. Tracking the terrorists down must be an almost impossible job and very easy to get the wrong guy.

To many doubts around the whole thing to be honest and I think releasing him was the best decision.
 
The Telegraph reports today that an Iranian intelligence official has admitted that Iran, not Libya, was behind the Lockerbie bombing after all, and that the bomb was made and planted by a Syrian terrorist organisation, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Furthermore, a former CIA agent who was involved in the original investigation has stated that this is/was well known within the intelligence community, and that Libya was deliberately scapegoated due to the fact that Libya was a pariah state and Syria were key regional allies at the time, and sensitivities towards Iran were such that Bush and Thatcher didn't want to put their fragile relations with these countries at risk...

If this is true, I would imagine that there will be a strong sense of outrage and dismay, not just among the families of those killed in the atrocity, but also here in Scotland. The fact that only one person was ever convicted for this crime was bad enough for many of those affected, but the idea that even this conviction was unsafe (or indeed completely fabricated) will be very hard to take. Of course, there are those, even among the bereaved families, who never accepted the conviction in the first place, e.g. Dr Jim Swire, who has always contended that Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was a scapegoat. Sadly, it now seems that he was right all along.

I sympathise with those who considered al-Megrahi's release as an insult to the bereaved, but I still believe that the Scottish government did the right thing in treating him humanely - even if he really was guilty. But this has to put a new perspective on the matter. I would contend, however, that the real spit in the face to the victim's families is the fact that there was never any real possibility that the guilty parties would face justice.
 
As I posted in the Malaysia Air thread, I think the Telegraph headlined this to try to make a point, story #2 is about passport fraud.

PLA involvement is entirely possible but there seems to be a lot of suppressed evidence that we may never hear.

Here's the Telegraph's public 'rush' from last night, today's edition may have been a little different.

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So a big WTF, but not surprising since the US military shot down an Iranian airliner earlier the same year, and yet we have never formally apologized for that massive transgression.

On the other hand, I recall that Libya's Quaddaffi had basically admitted they did it. Except they didn't. Or, uh...Politics as usual, I suppose.

(Hard to believe this was over 25 years ago.)
 
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So a big WTF, but not surprising since the US military shot down an Iranian airliner earlier the same year, and yet we have never formally apologized for that massive transgression.
And there was that whole coup thing they had a hand in back in the 1950s.

Is it any wonder Iran doesn't trust America?
 
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