Logitech Challenge-US players, free suff.

[The Outlaw]

I don't find that funny at all.

I'm sure the rest of us at gtplanet will respect all the online ruleshttps://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241 we have set out to follow when wearing our GTP tags.


I realize it's your tag but please use it with more respect in the future or maybe....use a different username if you plan on wall riding your way to a prize.

Good luck either way.

You don't get it dude. By the time this TT is over, the top 3 times will be wall riders guaranteed! Now what's the point in competing in this TT (which is one of the lamest I've ever done) if you know for a fact that you can not get into the top 3 (prize winners) if you don't wall ride? Lastly, I am not using my GTP tag for this. You would have noticed this if you looked at the leaderboard before calling me out 👍

 

[Chadwicksracing]

How realistic do you think this standard physics is? I think it's on par with GT4's.

NICE RUN! I would redo the last turn.. I think that could DQ you? It looks so much like you hit the wall..

But amazing nonetheless.

CWR

 

[The Outlaw]

The problem is, where in the rules (Logitech's rules) does it say that you can not wall ride? Hate to break peoples bubble but we're not going by GTP OLR's

 

[Chadwicksracing]

The problem is, where in the rules (Logitech's rules) does it say that you can not wall ride? Hate to break peoples bubble but we're not going by GTP OLR's

Was anyone DQ from the GT Academy for a dirty lap? Thats our answer. I think there will be some kind of quality control here. At least I hope there is some kind of justice out there. I could be wrong.

That was a great lap by fox, the wall riding helped him knock off prob 300th easy.. I don't think I can manage a 1'18 lap..I think I will be close.. not not that close.

Good Luck all.

 

[01GTP]

You don't get it dude.

Correct, I don't.

By the time this TT is over, the top 3 times will be wall riders guaranteed! Now what's the point in competing in this TT (which is one of the lamest I've ever done) if you know for a fact that you can not get into the top 3 (prize winners) if you don't wall ride?

I'm not.

Lastly, I am not using my GTP tag for this. You would have noticed this if you looked at the leaderboard before calling me out 👍

Cool. Thanks for respecting gtplanet and using a different name. 👍 Good luck.

 

[The Outlaw]

Was anyone DQ from the GT Academy for a dirty lap? Thats our answer. I think there will be some kind of quality control here. At least I hope there is some kind of justice out there. I could be wrong.

Well that should be stated in the rules before hand 👍 That will be a huge mess if the top 10 are wall riders (and they decide to DQ them after the event is closed) and Logitech has no way of viewing the replays for people who did put in clean laps, but were not in the top 10 on the leaderboard.

Good job for choosing HSR logitech, on standard physics no less

 

[superwally]

I'm still trying to get my NTSC copy back from the dude I loaned it to, looks like I'll be late to the party.

If in the first race, prizes will be going to wallriders, fine, I'm not surprised. I didn't expect GTP rules for these events anyway. Obviously with standard physics for the first round Logitech wasn't looking for a battle of the very best at car control. It won't matter for the 2nd and 3rd races anyway. It is what it is.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Well that should be stated in the rules before hand 👍 That will be a huge mess if the top 10 are wall riders (and they decide to DQ them after the event is closed) and Logitech has no way of viewing the replays for people who did put in clean laps, but were not in the top 10 on the leaderboard.

Good job for choosing HSR logitech, on standard physics no less

I hit the wall twice on my run..And I still got 7th I guess I won't worry about it.. I will Just run the cleanest lap I can.

 

[Forgetful]

Canadian, and mad that you can't win any of the prizes? Let 'em hear what you think. There's a post about the contest at the Playstaion Blog .

leave a comment about feeling like a second class customer, and rate the article a 1 on their rating system. Even if you're not Canadian, and you think it's wrong that we're left out, support us, please!

Not mad that you can't win? Think all contests on the PS3 are for 'U.S. residents only'? Check out the new Resistance Retribution contest, open to both countries.

Sony, PD, Logitec... all are involved, and all are responsible for not taking the steps necessary to make the contest inclusive of tens of thousands (if not hundreds) of PSN users in Canada. It's possible, they just didn't put the effort in.

It makes a difference too. I'm pretty sure a Canuck finished in the top three of the Tanner Foust comp, but had to be exculded. I'm racing buddies with all three of the official winners, Gar529, Imfasterkb and Msgt-sd. As of right now, Imfaster will not compete in protest. I'd rather he go win it, but that's his choice, and I appreciate his support. This contest is officially tainted.

 

[kart racer]

Don't forget about Mexico. I see no reason why they couldn't have a contest for all 3 regions.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I tried very hard NOT to hit the wall, but I did..its just inevitable.

A brief comment about the other NTSC users. You have to look at it this way. Sony and Logitech are businesses, and they want to make money and keep their brand image and awareness. Why would they market to Canada or Mexico? Those markets are not a huge as the US market is. I think they wanted to stick with the largest market. No offense to others in Canada and Mexico, but its about money, not your feels. 👍

This whole competition is to get United States usage up and to keep their brand in your head (the consumer) Although that is an assumption, it is still a good one. We all know that NTSC usage and game play is down compared to PAL users. This event makes a lot of sense, and I believe it will spark NTSC usage for weeks and perhaps months to come. The whole idea is to keep their name in your head. Perhaps something big is going to happen at E3 and they want us to be paying attention.

BTW, the first week combo is going to be won with a time somewhere around 1'18.5 👍💡

 

[foxmulder9]

I will be happy if i can get 1'18.6xx without hitting the wall. Although that's almost impossible for me.

BTW, the first week combo is going to be won with a time somewhere around 1'18.5 👍💡

 

[Jay]

It's great to see a competition for the US drivers finally.

This is the second competition for US drivers now.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

It almost doesn't feel right, I hate rim riding the place. I wish it was based on actual skill to make a good time. It seems all you do it drift the entry, plow the exit and ride the fence.

Sigh

 

[PyroZona]

If you check my replay, I think you'll find it's free of any wall/fence riding...and I was in 3rd place when I shut my game off a few hours ago. Might not be anymore, but I bet the replay is still downloadable.

Pyro

 

[Jay]

IIRC the first US competition was similar, Standard physics and poor driving style required to get top times.

Do they think US players can't handle it, or they don't want to scare off casual players?

 

[Chadwicksracing]

If you check my replay, I think you'll find it's free of any wall/fence riding...and I was in 3rd place when I shut my game off a few hours ago. Might not be anymore, but I bet the replay is still downloadable.

Pyro

I looked at it, it was a hell of a lap..really nice! You are 7th now. The top 4 times are in the 1'18's with wall riding.. Actually I think your lap is the only without wall riding in the top ten. Nice work.

 

[PyroZona]

I looked at it, it was a hell of a lap..really nice! You are 7th now. The top 4 times are in the 1'18's with wall riding.. Actually I think your lap is the only without wall riding in the top ten. Nice work.

Thanks! I wasn't about to let my GTP tagged username be associated with what I would classify as cheating. Don't think I'll try this "challenge" any further, though. I hope the next one is more of an actual challenge...meaning a top time is attainable with more than only one of the selected available cars. I won't be holding my breath, though.

And in whose dreams did a Ford Focus, a VW Golf, a BMW Z4 Coupe, a Lotus Elise, an Audi TT or a Lancia Integrale ever become "mid sized"?? Whoever is setting up these challenges for Logitech really needs to be replaced by someone who knows cars a bit better...and has maybe at least WATCHED someone else play GT (may be asking for too much for someone who has played it themselves)!

It would also be nice if they were to dig deep and offer a G25 or two as prizes. Or maybe some of their DiNovo Edge bluetooth keyboards - since it can be used with a PS3, and I think most of the winners probably already have a Logitech wheel. Don't ya think??

I can't knock the event completely, though. At least it's a competition that awards tangible prizes! So thanks, Logitech...a little bit.

Pyro

 

[Forgetful]

IIRC the first US competition was similar, Standard physics and poor driving style required to get top times.

Do they think US players can't handle it, or they don't want to scare off casual players?

Poor driving skill? Why didn't you win it then? The prize was a pretty sweet trip.

The Tanner Foust competition was on N tires in a 350Z at London. Professional physics. The top three legal finishers are avid participants in the TT comps at the US Playstation.com forums, and friends of mine, as I said before. None of them would dare submit an illegal time. There were some top finishers that were excluded for more reasons than just US citizenship, so they could be excluding laps with wall contact, as they should.

As for those who can't seem to stay off the wall, instead of blaming the lack of proper penalties, and running a dirty lap anyways, why not maintain your integrity, run the best clean lap you can, and hope that the people running the contest also have some integrity. It's doesn't bode well for the reputation of your community to see so many GTP tagged drivers with laps that clearly break their own code of conduct.

 

[AutoAki]

Was anyone DQ from the GT Academy for a dirty lap? Thats our answer. I think there will be some kind of quality control here. At least I hope there is some kind of justice out there. I could be wrong.


Good Luck all.

Yes... some guys figured out, that taking maximum speed into first corners in Eiger and sidesweeping the hairpins, gave you over second advance. People searched and send those replays to GT-Academy admins, and they DQ and deleted those away from rankings.

In the end almost every replay was clean... I can remember one English dude get his way to Nationals, even many guys were complaining about his very dirty hotlap.

I recommend you to ask if same could be possible in this comp too. I'm sure it would be advantage to you guys, who are familiar with right ways to do fastlap... if not, just do your hotlap anyway what it needs, and forget OLR for small time. Those prizes are worth of that, and it's really fault of PD that wallriding still is possible.

 

[Jay]

Poor driving skill? Why didn't you win it then? The prize was a pretty sweet trip.

You didn't read correctly

I said poor driving style, didn't say skill. Of course it takes skill to win, which ever way you need to drive to get there.


Why didn't I win it? Well being in Australia kinda puts a damper on winning a America only competition.

 

[EDK]

If you check my replay, I think you'll find it's free of any wall/fence riding...and I was in 3rd place when I shut my game off a few hours ago. Might not be anymore, but I bet the replay is still downloadable.

Pyro

I looked at it, it was a hell of a lap..really nice! You are 7th now. The top 4 times are in the 1'18's with wall riding.. Actually I think your lap is the only without wall riding in the top ten. Nice work.

Yep - A very nice run by Pyro indeed. 👍

I ran for about 30 minutes and was something like 27th on the board with a 1:19.8xx when I quit. But I found myself picking up some bad GT4 habits that it's taken me 5 months to break.

So, I think I'll also take a break from this and see what next week's brings.

Also, keep in mind, if you read the OP, it states that some of the prizes will go to random participants. So it's possible to win something for just showing up.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Yes... some guys figured out, that taking maximum speed into first corners in Eiger and sidesweeping the hairpins, gave you over second advance. People searched and send those replays to GT-Academy admins, and they DQ and deleted those away from rankings.

In the end almost every replay was clean... I can remember one English dude get his way to Nationals, even many guys were complaining about his very dirty hotlap.

I recommend you to ask if same could be possible in this comp too. I'm sure it would be advantage to you guys, who are familiar with right ways to do fastlap... if not, just do your hotlap anyway what it needs, and forget OLR for small time. Those prizes are worth of that, and it's really fault of PD that wallriding still is possible.

That is exactly what I did. I think the fast way to a clean lap is around 1'19.1 or so. A dirty lap, well I look this morning and I thought I saw someone got a 1'18.5 ..SO Gosh..

 

[The Outlaw]

Yep - A very nice run by Pyro indeed. 👍

I ran for about 30 minutes and was something like 27th on the board with a 1:19.8xx when I quit. But I found myself picking up some bad GT4 habits that it's taken me 5 months to break.

So, I think I'll also take a break from this and see what next week's brings.
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I think I may do the same. I'll give it another go today and that's it. I just can't stand driving this car on standard physics tbh It's hard to nail down the driving style necessary with the controller in order to fast, so it's rather frustrating watching the wheel guys float off into the distance. Good luck to my fellow GTP'ers

That is exactly what I did. I think the fast way to a clean lap is around 1'19.1 or so. A dirty lap, well I look this morning and I thought I saw someone got a 1'18.5 ..SO Gosh..

Exactly, even this early on, to even think about getting into the top 3 you'll have to be wallriding. It's too bad but that's the way it is when you have no rules against such It's obviously not cheating unless there are rules stating you can not do it

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Exactly, even this early on, to even think about getting into the top 3 you'll have to be wallriding. It's too bad but that's the way it is when you have no rules against such It's obviously not cheating unless there are rules stating you can not do it

FROM THE RULES...I think it is safe to say that PD and Logitech can DQ for those laps. Read it and interpret.

7. GENERAL CONDITIONS OF PARTICIPATION.
SCEA's and/or Logitech's decisions are final on all matters related to this promotion. SCEA and/or Logitech and its service providers are not responsible for incomplete, lost, late, delayed or garbled registrations or entries, incorrect or inaccurate capture of entry information, including but not limited to technical malfunctions, human or technical error, omission, interruption, dele ion, defect or failures of: any telephone or computer line or network, computer equipment, so are or any combination thereof. Only the fully completed online submission will be accepted as a valid registration or an entry; additional registration may be required for Prize verification. All entries submitted become property of SCEA. SCEA reserves the right, without prior notice, to terminate this promotion, in whole or in part, or modify this promotion in any way, and for any reason, including, without limitation, if SCEA and/or Logitech determine, in its sole discretion, that fraud, technical failures or any other factor beyond SCEA’s and/or Logitech's reasonable control impairs the integrity of the promotion. SCEA and/or Logitech reserve the right in its sole discretion to disqualify any individual it finds to be tampering with the promotion process or to be acting in violation of these Official Rules. Any attempt by any person to deliberately undermine the legitimate operation of the promotion is a violation of criminal and civil law, and, should such an attempt be made, SCEA and/or Logitech reserve the right to seek damages from any such person to the fullest extent permitted by law. SCEA’s and/or Logitech's failure to enforce any term of these Official Rules shall not constitute a waiver of that provision. By participating in this promotion, participant releases and agrees to hold harmless SCEA and/or Logitech, its affiliates, dealers, subsidiaries, their service agencies and independent contractors, and their respective directors, officers, employees, and agents, including advertising and promotion agencies, from any and all liability with respect to acceptance, possession or use (or misuse), or failure to use any matters arising out of or relating to this promotion or any prize.

 

[AutoAki]

Send immediately all names who does wallriding in top-ten, to SCEA... and let them know that it ruins this whole great competition if that kind of driving is allowed, and only way to get to top three.

In GT-Academy they erased very quickly all cheaters, when we all together bombed admins with e-mails...

 

[PyroZona]

It's obviously not cheating unless there are rules stating you can not do it

I hope you don't really and truly believe this. I would have hoped that a division 1 gold level driver would have better racing ethics than that.

I don't mean that as an insult, it's just a bit disappointing...to me, at least.

💡

Would it be too presumptuous of me to be inclined to believe you might be a fan of Fernando Alonso?? If not, you might wanna check him out. He has a similar outlook on racing.

In GT-Academy they erased very quickly all cheaters, when we all together bombed admins with e-mails...

Very good point!! They did this with GT5-P when it first came out (or is this what you mean by GT-Academy?) as well - when we had only the Eiger course to run.

Pyro

 

[dblcheez]

Ok.. I am 9th place with 1.19.110. Can someone watch the replay and verify if you think it is a clean lap?...thanks

 

[The Outlaw]

I hope you don't really and truly believe this. I would have hoped that a division 1 gold level driver would have better racing ethics than that.

I don't mean that as an insult, it's just a bit disappointing...to me, at least.

💡

Would it be too presumptuous of me to be inclined to believe you might be a fan of Fernando Alonso?? If not, you might wanna check him out. He has a similar outlook on racing.


Pyro

You're damn right I believe that, moreso when it comes to this competition though Like I said, according to the rules currently in place, wall riding clearly isn't defined as cheating bro. To me wall riding is bad etiquette, but hey, what are the feelings of all of the other thousands of people competing in this competition who solely want to win a prize? I'm sure there are a lot of them who will do just about anything to win the prize, even if that means wallriding. I don't like the fact that a lot of people are wallriding but hey it is what it is, and everyone is freely open to doing the same thing to make things even, just for this lame TT. When this week's TT is closed and prizes are sent to the winners, all the people who chose to put in a clean lap may not be rewarded with a damn thing. That's the part that I don't like 👎 I wouldn't waste my time putting in a clean lap knowing that all of the winners were wall riders. So the way I see it is that there's two ways of going about this competition. Either wall ride or not compete in this competition at all. Or of course hope you get lucky and Logitech decides to change the rules after the competition is over...which is a pretty lame move as well It's like painting a curb red after someone has parked there, and writing them a ticket, or in this case DQ'ing them.

I already am a FA fan, and he's really not that bad of a guy He gets a lot of bad press because he's willing to speak his mind without sugar coating everything to gain popularity 👍 He has more balls than most drivers do now days, and is probably one of the few who would be just fine competing back in the early days, where you put your life on the line every time you set wheel onto the track. Also, the crazy Spanish fans and press don't help his image one bit. You really can't believe everything you read or hear when it comes to "Magic" Alonso.

Ok.. I am 9th place with 1.19.110. Can someone watch the replay and verify if you think it is a clean lap?...thanks

That's a great time if it is clean Another issue with the penalty system is that if you put in personal best that you thought was clean, but had a SLIGHT almost unnoticeable tap with the armco at the last turn, it is often hard to beat this time without wallriding once again. So in some cases you're stuck with a leaderboard time that is dirty, and you have no way of replacing it or besting it with a CLEAN lap.

 

[daan]

It's obviously not cheating unless there are rules stating you can not do it

👎

You should always race to your own ethics. You shouldn't need to change your driving style for contests such as the WRS as that's the way a decent driver should drive all the time.

Wallriding is cheating and any GTP tagged driver should not be driving like that during any online contest.