Logitech Challenge-US players, free suff.

[geo1098]

Currently 17th at 1:18.76. I could maybe do a 18.6ish if I kept at it (clean) but from racing the #1 ghost replay I see I lose a few tenths of time in the final turn. I turn hard at the beginning of the horse shoe and slide half way through the turn towards the wall and stay high the rest of the way. Not complaining, but I don't see being able to get into the 18.5s or better without wall riding. I hope the next event is pro and not standard. Cheers.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Currently 17th at 1:18.76. I could maybe do a 18.6ish if I kept at it (clean) but from racing the #1 ghost replay I see I lose a few tenths of time in the final turn. I turn hard at the beginning of the horse shoe and slide half way through the turn towards the wall and stay high the rest of the way. Not complaining, but I don't see being able to get into the 18.5s or better without wall riding. I hope the next event is pro and not standard. Cheers.

I left at least .150 out there.., I think A 1'18.450 is possible with a clean lap. Good luck.. I could give you my ghost.. I have a clean lap in 11th.

Let me know if you want it.

 

[Whoa91]

Im not sure where im ranked as of now but I was 2nd earlier today.... at first I was really pissed that it was high speed ring cuz I knew everyone would be wall riding, So I knew i had no chance unless i joined the wall riding club.. Being that logitech did not post any rules, what am I to do??? Race Clean? on Standard?? Feels like Im playing need for speed, I cant Stand it, So I might as well Do whatever I have to do to win. I do hope the next event Is Pro on N1's or something which requires more skill.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Im not sure where im ranked as of now but I was 2nd earlier today.... at first I was really pissed that it was high speed ring cuz I knew everyone would be wall riding, So I knew i had no chance unless i joined the wall riding club.. Being that logitech did not post any rules, what am I to do??? Race Clean? on Standard?? Feels like Im playing need for speed, I cant Stand it, So I might as well Do whatever I have to do to win. I do hope the next event Is Pro on N1's or something which requires more skill.

You have a 50% chance they don't care about wall riding, and a 50% chance they do, therefore DQing your lap time.

I hope that Eiger is challenging too.

Good Luck

 

[spyrrari]

well done Chad mate,like i said just keep trying and something good will happen!!!...now i hope you win some price to...you deserve it...👍



spyrrari.

 

[Nicksfix]

For all of your efforts put into this,even if you don't get 1st prize,you deserve the consolation prize at least 👍

 

[reaperman]

how about the next two courses--eiger and suzuka. how easy are those to exploit?

I'd think Eiger would be pretty safe--minor corner clipping at most, but I thought there were ways to do major cutting on parts of suzuka. At least I've heard previous complaints of it.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

how about the next two courses--eiger and suzuka. how easy are those to exploit?

I'd think Eiger would be pretty safe--minor corner clipping at most, but I thought there were ways to do major cutting on parts of suzuka. At least I've heard previous complaints of it.

I've seen a few things that can be done at Eiger

Such as, driving as fast as possible in T1 hitting the wall and gain a lot of time..We will see and if that happens, I will call Logitech again about that.

 

[PickleAhoy]

If it's reversed eiger then people will ride the banked sand on the turn before the tunnel. Im not sure if they also ride it on the way up, unless they go offroading on every turn after the tunnel.

 

[Rblanshard]

I've been reading this thread for the past couple of days. I even raised a question about my own lap a couple of days ago. I have to say you guys are the most impressive, dedicated, honest and fast group of racers I've encountered on the web. I am wowed by your dedication to the "competition" and it being judged and competed honestly. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the powers that be at PD and Logitech come here first for community feedback. Great job to all of you.

 

[EDK]

I've seen a few things that can be done at Eiger

Such as, driving as fast as possible in T1 hitting the wall and gain a lot of time..We will see and if that happens, I will call Logitech again about that.

how about the next two courses--eiger and suzuka. how easy are those to exploit?

I'd think Eiger would be pretty safe--minor corner clipping at most, but I thought there were ways to do major cutting on parts of suzuka. At least I've heard previous complaints of it.

Not to mention the corner cutting at Casio Triangle and some liberal interpretations of what part of rumble strips are track at Suzuka.

But to answer your question more directly, Suzuka, in a Supercar, particularly with Pro Physics (If they choose to go that route), will be much more difficult to cheat at.

I only hope this was the week they chose to make easy and fun for all, and that it gets progressively more difficult.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

I want to have to call Logitech again. Just to get their attention. I have a feeling that I will need to. Since they really were not paying attention before. I gosh I hope its not like this weeks.

I want pro physics..so these insane laps are not possible. At HSR I could floor it around almost all the turns...insane.

I've been reading this thread for the past couple of days. I even raised a question about my own lap a couple of days ago. I have to say you guys are the most impressive, dedicated, honest and fast group of racers I've encountered on the web. I am wowed by your dedication to the "competition" and it being judged and competed honestly. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the powers that be at PD and Logitech come here first for community feedback. Great job to all of you.

Thanks. We do try.

 

[Jordan]

I've posted this up on the front page to get more exposure - pass the link around to your friends and other websites. Negative publicity will encourage them to take action, but something really does need to be done. As I mentioned in the article, it sets a dangerous precedent for official challenges and will stifle legitimate competition in future events.

 

[blue night]

You guys should resend all your emails to Poly and tell them to add vehicle damage that way if someone tries to ride the wall they'll wreck their car and be out of the race.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Even though I am not running in this competition, all the cheaters will not do PD any favours and will hopefully spur PD on to improve the system and implement damage, to try and combat these idiots that think they are clever.

I will be putting in a complaint for you guys, as I feel for you all knowing you are been beaten by some cheaters with no morals.

Grim 👍

 

[FatLeadFoot]

You guys should resend all your emails to Poly and tell them to add vehicle damage that way if someone tries to ride the wall they'll wreck their car and be out of the race.

I don't think we need damage to have a fair competition but maybe a more strict penalty system would do the trick. As it stands now, there are ways to touch a wall and not got a penalty which I won't get into here but if that is removed then there would be no doubt whether a lap was clean or not.

I do however agree with getting the message to PD instead of Logitech or even SCEA for that matter. They may be unwilling to make a suggestion to PD for fear of seeming ungrateful or sounding critical because after all we are dealing with Japanese culture here. Remember what happened when one of the fans told Kaz himself about removing the RBE?

 

[Blitz187]

Remember what happened when one of the fans told Kaz himself about removing the RBE?

It got taken out??

 

[Scotracer]

What SHOULD be done is that Polyphony Digital fixes their physics engine rather than just trying to patch up an amputation with band aids. What is being done on GT5P isn't possible on Forza 2 or any of the ISI-based PC sims so why is it still possible on GT? This isn't 2002!

If it's part of the game and you aren't leaving the circuit you can't really complain. If you can't beat them - join them.

 

[EDK]

What SHOULD be done is that Polyphony Digital fixes their physics engine rather than just trying to patch up an amputation with band aids. What is being done on GT5P isn't possible on Forza 2 or any of the ISI-based PC sims so why is it still possible on GT? This isn't 2002!

If it's part of the game and you aren't leaving the circuit you can't really complain. If you can't beat them - join them.

We've always held ourselves to a higher standard of OLR here at GTP. Our attitude is not "If you can't beat them - join them."

Our standard, clean OLR rules posted for every race in our WRS (Weekly Race Series.)

• 2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
• rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
• no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible
• if you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty
• no hybrids
• no cheating of any kind, these are relaxed races and we are experienced racers, we know what times can be done, and we can read your mind. We will know.
• nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules
• save your replay

Our OLR Rules and guidelines, developed for online racing in GT5P and beyond -

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241


Our point is, the best drivers with the highest skill level should win these types of competitions. We've been running our own for years. If we hold ourselves to these standards, PD and Logitech should do the same.

 

[kekke2000]

The time trials should be judged much harder than regular races. A small touch with the wall should be enough to disqualify the lap.

 

[Scotracer]

We've always held ourselves to a higher standard of OLR here at GTP. Our attitude is not "If you can't beat them - join them."

Our standard, clean OLR rules posted for every race in our WRS (Weekly Race Series.)

• 2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
• rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
• no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible
• if you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty
• no hybrids
• no cheating of any kind, these are relaxed races and we are experienced racers, we know what times can be done, and we can read your mind. We will know.
• nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules
• save your replay

Our OLR Rules and guidelines, developed for online racing in GT5P and beyond -

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241


Our point is, the best drivers with the highest skill level should win these types of competitions. We've been running our own for years. If we hold ourselves to these standards, PD and Logitech should do the same.

Whilst it may be noble to do so, it is PD's fault that the exploit exists in the first place. As I said, instead of trying to cover the fatal wound with a band aid, they should fix their physics before saying how you can race.

If you start disqualifying some laps that have posted a time you are going to end up with one hell of a problem - especially when money is involved.

 

[Nicksfix]

If you start disqualifying some laps that have posted a time you are going to end up with one hell of a problem - especially when money is involved.

Not really , if rules like this are posted it will be clear,cut and simple :

2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible
if you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty
no hybrids
no cheating of any kind, these are relaxed races and we are experienced racers, we know what times can be done, and we can read your mind. We will know.
nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules
save your replay


easy,if you don't follow the guidlines set forth,your lap is no good and you get the "red time number" effect. Your out , try again.

 

[The Outlaw]

Not really , if rules like this are posted it will be clear,cut and simple :

2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
no contact with walls or objects, visible or invisible
if you're not 100% sure that your lap is clean, then consider it dirty
no hybrids
no cheating of any kind, these are relaxed races and we are experienced racers, we know what times can be done, and we can read your mind. We will know.
nothing that goes against the spirit of the rules
save your replay


easy,if you don't follow the guidlines set forth,your lap is no good and you get the "red time number" effect. Your out , try again.

What do you mean..."not really"??? There was no ruling guideline set forth by Logitech, so why are you trying to argue/disagree with the man?? Really? The "ifs" and "buts" don't matter at this point...Logitech screwed up big time by not implementing any types of regulations before hand...

 

[monoha]

It's called acting in good faith or bad faith (don't know if its the right translation).

Even though there isn't any rule or there is a mistake or something else is missing that gives you the opportunity to act in bad faith, doesn't make it 'legal' or right - nor does it give you the right to do what you are doing in bad faith towards the person/company/etc that did the 'screw up'.

Atleast that's how it is in Denmark.

There is a huge law study on just this little thing. Very interesting I might add

 

[Nicksfix]

exactly my point,PD,Logitech screwed up by not posting any such rules,or any rules by any such manner,now look at what is happening. It turned real ugly.........REAL FAST.

Chadwick had a top 10 and got ousted by a wallrunner,is it fair......UH, NO IT ISN'T. because of a failure to post any such rules,poor old Chad got the boot and some idiot gets the glory.

As far as dis-agreeing with Scotracer......look at his final words in post #168 , yes, I do dis-agree.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

The time trials should be judged much harder than regular races. A small touch with the wall should be enough to disqualify the lap.

The reality is in a real top lap or qualifying lap you can hit the wall. However you must think about what its going to do to your lap time, and what its going to do to your car.

If you did that in a real car..at 118 MPH you would tear off the side of the car and destroy the front suspension...ect

So I must a agree with most in saying damage is needed to fix that problem. With damage PD wouldn't need to have a penalty system for wall strikes. Just one for cutting corners.

exactly my point,PD,Logitech screwed up by not posting any such rules,or any rules by any such manner,now look at what is happening. It turned real ugly.........REAL FAST.

Chadwick had a top 10 and got ousted by a wallrunner,is it fair......UH, NO IT ISN'T. because of a failure to post any such rules,poor old Chad got the boot and some idiot gets the glory.

As far as dis-agreeing with Scotracer......look at his final words in post #168 , yes, I do dis-agree.

What are you talking about man. I did win. In my eyes I was the fastest clean lap out there and its true. If PD does delete those times, I will win 1st place. I got plenty of glory when I called Logitech and told me about the wall riding.

Why would clean racing rules stop those from riding the wall? It would be my educated guess that most contestants did not read the official rules. So there would be wall riding never the less.

 

[Mr P]

Wow! .. I only just saw this! 'BIG UP' to all the guys racing it respectfully and good luck with keeping your fastest clean racer top slot Chad 👍

To the guys who have less ability and have to wallride the walls to get the extra speed .. why even bother? If you cant beat the wallriders then dont! just compete with the guys who are staying clean and fair as no doubt the wallriders will be scraped away like garbage when the deadline is upon you .. just keep your cool guys and dont acknowledge the wallriders laps

A lot of people complain about hardly any participation by NTSC racers in online races! but with all these claims of so many wallriders around it's hardly surprising to me Keep your pride guys and don't let the crap racers lead you astray into tactics you would normally never consider 👍

Good luck to the clean guys
Ron.

 

[superwally]

Well, at least I feel a little better at this point about not being able to participate (NTSC disk is with a friend who I can't get in touch with) with the first comp being a cheaterfest.


Great job CWR, excellent lap and many thumbs up for pushing Logitech and Sony to do it right.

 

[EDK]

Whilst it may be noble to do so, it is PD's fault that the exploit exists in the first place. As I said, instead of trying to cover the fatal wound with a band aid, they should fix their physics before saying how you can race.

If you start disqualifying some laps that have posted a time you are going to end up with one hell of a problem - especially when money is involved.

I've said it to several members in here, and in other chats.

My main issue is not with Logitech, PD, or their rules.

I have more of an issue with any of our members who resort breaking our established rules in a time trial event for personal gain.

That's my personal opinion. But I would not be sacrificing my personal time as a GTP Race Admin if the majority of our member base was unwilling to uphold these standards, regardless of the event.

 

[Rblanshard]

So, do we know who the "winners" are? Has Logitech made some sort of announcement or will they let those who competed know who won?