Logitech G Pro Racing Wheel

I'm afraid I can't provide that either. If you follow the wheel market closely enough you can see why: there's several examples of things being announced or teased that then took (or are taking) a very long time to materialise. The course of product development does not always run as smoothly as you would like it to, so we like to get the product developed and shipped and then let people know about it.

Expectations of how long it takes to develop a product are probably skewed by some of the annual iterations of consumer electronics - phones, for example - but I can assure you that it usually takes much longer than 12 months to develop a product from scratch. Can you develop something in that time frame? Possibly, but you're going to cut a lot of corners and introduce a huge element of risk.
 
LOGI_Rich
I'm afraid I can't provide that either. If you follow the wheel market closely enough you can see why: there's several examples of things being announced or teased that then took (or are taking) a very long time to materialise. The course of product development does not always run as smoothly as you would like it to, so we like to get the product developed and shipped and then let people know about it.

Expectations of how long it takes to develop a product are probably skewed by some of the annual iterations of consumer electronics - phones, for example - but I can assure you that it usually takes much longer than 12 months to develop a product from scratch. Can you develop something in that time frame? Possibly, but you're going to cut a lot of corners and introduce a huge element of risk.
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Well put, Rich. People have unrealistic expectations, and also the people talking scathingly about how long its taking, would almost certainly be the first to post their horror stories when the prematurely rushed to market product has performance and/or quality issues.

Logitech isn't a fly by night company and they're also not new to this space. I have confidence that they're developing, and will release, quality products when those products meet the high standards that Logitech set for themselves.

I also find some of the complaining about the current Logitech range to be a little exaggerated. As someone who happily uses the adaptor and driving force H shifter in concert with the Pro wheel and pedals, I can attest to it being a very satisfying experience. Sure - an appropriately high-end shifter will be a welcome addition. Same with handbrake and extra rims.

As for the claims that the Pro wheel's torque is being throttled in GT7 - does this claim have any truth to it? I find the available torque to be more than enough and have mine set at 4 or 5 out of 10. It's uncomfortably and unrealistically heavy if one dials it up to the higher levels. Why do people want this?
 
s363134
If Fanatec brings out cheap DD with fixed wheel (<4nm) for the mass to compete with Logitech low end gear driven stuff, they would effectively covers most gaps, that could be the final nail in the coffin for Logitech
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"If Logitech brings out cheap DD with swapable wheel (<4nm) for the mass to compete with cheap DD, they would effectively cover most gaps, that could be the final nail in the coffin for the competition." is what I'd hope they're aiming for after testing DD on us in an expensive Pro-line product, with a couple of gearsticks, handbrakes and a ton of wheel options maybe?
 
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CustomX
Well put, Rich. People have unrealistic expectations, and also the people talking scathingly about how long its taking, would almost certainly be the first to post their horror stories when the prematurely rushed to market product has performance and/or quality issues.

Logitech isn't a fly by night company and they're also not new to this space. I have confidence that they're developing, and will release, quality products when those products meet the high standards that Logitech set for themselves.

I also find some of the complaining about the current Logitech range to be a little exaggerated. As someone who happily uses the adaptor and driving force H shifter in concert with the Pro wheel and pedals, I can attest to it being a very satisfying experience. Sure - an appropriately high-end shifter will be a welcome addition. Same with handbrake and extra rims.

As for the claims that the Pro wheel's torque is being throttled in GT7 - does this claim have any truth to it? I find the available torque to be more than enough and have mine set at 4 or 5 out of 10. It's uncomfortably and unrealistically heavy if one dials it up to the higher levels. Why do people want this?
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I have exactly the same feelings - level 5 or max 6 is perfectly balanced between strength and precision.
 
CKU_87
Any updates from Logitech about the NM restriction? Is this a temporary thing or a permanent "ban"? Was about to order the G Pro Wheel but the latest ClubSport DD+ got me struggling with placing my order. It appears that this wheelbase might be the better option, though we might need to wait until end of year to get one...

I don't have any equipment yet, so not bound to any ecosystem. Would be cool if get some more information here soon.
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Hi,

as a former Fanatec DD1 user, I am also interested in the new DD+ with Playstation support. The first reviews sound and read very interesting.

Note that the new Fullforce technology is currently only supported by iRacing.

It will be interesting if you play a game that doesn't support the new Fullforce yet. Maybe effects are missing then. But of course these are only speculations. I have already seen some German reviews from the ADAC fair in Dortmund. It definitely makes you want to play the new DD+.

In your place I would wait with the order and then look at the first official reviews.

Thomas
 
CustomX
Well put, Rich. People have unrealistic expectations, and also the people talking scathingly about how long its taking, would almost certainly be the first to post their horror stories when the prematurely rushed to market product has performance and/or quality issues.

Logitech isn't a fly by night company and they're also not new to this space. I have confidence that they're developing, and will release, quality products when those products meet the high standards that Logitech set for themselves.

I also find some of the complaining about the current Logitech range to be a little exaggerated. As someone who happily uses the adaptor and driving force H shifter in concert with the Pro wheel and pedals, I can attest to it being a very satisfying experience. Sure - an appropriately high-end shifter will be a welcome addition. Same with handbrake and extra rims.

As for the claims that the Pro wheel's torque is being throttled in GT7 - does this claim have any truth to it? I find the available torque to be more than enough and have mine set at 4 or 5 out of 10. It's uncomfortably and unrealistically heavy if one dials it up to the higher levels. Why do people want this?
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I fail to see why is it unrealistic to expect a shifter in 1 year, and most importantly, no clue if they are even developing one, when Fanatec releases GT DD Pro and in less than 2 years develops and presents another whole new wheel base and software.
 
Met Entso
I fail to see why is it unrealistic to expect a shifter in 1 year, and most importantly, no clue if they are even developing one, when Fanatec releases GT DD Pro and in less than 2 years develops and presents another whole new wheel base and software.
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I read somewhere that Fanatec’s ClubSport DD was a 4yr project, seems like a reasonable timeframe considering the whole new FullForce API as well.

To be fair, Logitech does a lot of things and sim racing is one part of a big operation. Budget allocation alone for such a niche project like a handbrake could be a tough fight for approval likely why they haven’t released one, over at Fanatec it’s a necessity, they’re a sim racing specialist it’s all they do.
 
LOGI_Rich
@CustomX Max torque is definitely throttled in GT7 at the moment. You only need to try the wheel in other sims to tell the difference :-)
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Yeah? Why do PD throttle it?

I've played some dirt2.0 and a bit of ACC on my ps5. Yes wheel definitely heavier and higher torque. Overwhelmingly negative effect on the experience from memory. It's been a few months
 
thomasoeli
Hi,

as a former Fanatec DD1 user, I am also interested in the new DD+ with Playstation support. The first reviews sound and read very interesting.

Note that the new Fullforce technology is currently only supported by iRacing.

It will be interesting if you play a game that doesn't support the new Fullforce yet. Maybe effects are missing then. But of course these are only speculations. I have already seen some German reviews from the ADAC fair in Dortmund. It definitely makes you want to play the new DD+.

In your place I would wait with the order and then look at the first official reviews.

Thomas
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Oh, thanks for the information. For me this is actually new and very relevant information about the Fullforce technology not supported on GT7. I must admit I play GT7 only and this is the first time that I am planning to invest into a DD wheel (was pretty happy with my Logitech starter wheel, which has now found its way to a younger fellower in the family).

Was thinking that Fullforce will really make an impact on GT7. Do you know if support is planned in the future? This makes the G Pro with the Trueforce more appealing again...
 
@CKU_87

Whether Fullforce will be supported in GT7 at some point is up to the developer to decide or implement.

I'm not sure how the new DD+ will feel if the game doesn't support Fullforce yet.

But even without Fullforce it will surely feel very good. There are enough racing sims for the PC that don't support True Force. Nevertheless, it feels very good.

It is also a matter of taste if you like the effects of True Force. I found it unfamiliar at first when I switched from the Fanatec Podium DD1.

I was mainly concerned with the Playstation support, which my base didn't have.

If I were you, I might go for the Logitech. Also keep in mind that there aren't many DD bases with Playstation support.

The new DD+ costs 1000 Euros, and then you need a steering wheel and pedals. Fanatec has a very good ecosystem, here you can choose the right steering wheel. If you need different steering wheels at all.

The Fanatec steering wheels seem in my eyes higher quality than the Logitech Wheel, because here a lot of plastic is installed which also causes me slight creaking. I did not have that in the past with Fanatec.

Nevertheless, I like the Logitech Wheel.

You also have to consider that I play in a sim rig, for example. If you're playing on a table, I think the Logitech Wheel would be more appropriate.

Even if there is a table mount for the Fanatec DD+.

So, if you want to keep it simple and really only play on the Playstation, I would recommend Logitech. If you can afford it and want it, then Fanatec with the best ecosystem.

Also note that PD has been lowering the FFB strength in GT7 for our Logitech Wheel for some time now. For whatever reason...

It's enough, but it could be stronger. You read it here in other comments too. It could be improved again with the next updates.

I play mainly on PC and can say that the FFB is strong enough in other simulations.

Thomas
 
Fanatec is the official sim partner for GT7 so likely when the DD+ is available we’ll see a patch on the game to showcase Fanatec’s FullForce on PS5. If you must buy now then at the minute Logitech offers the best wheel base (on PS5) but lacking ecosystem, comes Xmas though the balance is likely heavily towards Fanatec. If you ever intend to play EA WRC then the handbrake is almost a must, you could convert the clutch pedal into one but yeah then loose the clutch and H shifting fun.
 
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s363134
I read somewhere that Fanatec’s ClubSport DD was a 4yr project, seems like a reasonable timeframe considering the whole new FullForce API as well.

To be fair, Logitech does a lot of things and sim racing is one part of a big operation. Budget allocation alone for such a niche project like a handbrake could be a tough fight for approval likely why they haven’t released one, over at Fanatec it’s a necessity, they’re a sim racing specialist it’s all they do.
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Yes maybe Fanatec is a better choice then regarding sim racing
 
I don't understand people who claim that current FFB strenght in GT7 played with ingame setting 5 is more than enough. (It's like 3 Nm!).

Why would you even buy a claimed 11Nm wheel if you only use 3 Nm. You could have bought T300RS for 1/3 of the Logitechs price...
 
Mateusz90
I don't understand people who claim that current FFB strenght in GT7 played with ingame setting 5 is more than enough. (It's like 3 Nm!).

Why would you even buy a claimed 11Nm wheel if you only use 3 Nm. You could have bought T300RS for 1/3 of the Logitechs price...
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No one has said it's enough but I've read multiple posts on various sites saying the signal starts clipping if you have it too high. Seems that 5 is the safe setting to avoid it. I don't go higher than 6 on my DD Pro.
 
Abarth_71
No one has said it's enough but I've read multiple posts on various sites saying the signal starts clipping if you have it too high. Seems that 5 is the safe setting to avoid it. I don't go higher than 6 on my DD Pro.
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I have it on 8 in game, 10 on the wheel and its fine. It hasnt clipped once and I find it very hard to believe. Use the wheel how you want but half of those people don't even own a DD.
 
Mateusz90
Nie rozumiem ludzi, którzy twierdzą, że obecna siła FFB w GT7 grana zIt's high time to understand that in all this fun it's not only the muscles that count, but more the head. ustawieniem w grze 5 jest więcej niż wystarczająca. (To jak 3 Nm!).

Po co miałbyś w ogóle kupować deklarowane koło 11 Nm, skoro używasz tylko 3 Nm. Mogłeś kupić
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Mateusz90
I don't understand people who claim that current FFB strenght in GT7 played with ingame setting 5 is more than enough. (It's like 3 Nm!).

Why would you even buy a claimed 11Nm wheel if you only use 3 Nm. You could have bought T300RS for 1/3 of the Logitechs price...
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It's high time to understand that in all this fun it's not only the muscles that count, but more the head.
 
smeemi
What usb adapter works with the Logitech g pro so I can have it connected to my pc and ps5 at the same time? Thanks
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I have been using this with no issues.

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Still holding out for a shifter here. I have the wheel torque cranked all the way up, wish PD didn’t neuter the wheel. They could’ve made an advanced setting or something like that, where you enable the full force instead.

Also, does anybody know of an aftermarket power supply that could deliver enough juice for the Pro wheelbase?

I have an extra basically unused wheelbase and wheel with no power supply and Logitech won’t sell a power supply 😞
 
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rAtey
I have it on 8 in game, 10 on the wheel and its fine. It hasnt clipped once and I find it very hard to believe. Use the wheel how you want but half of those people don't even own a DD.
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Same here. I use it on 7 with road cars and never experienced any issues
 
Mateusz90
You can set 11Nm on wheel and 10 in game. No clipping. Real Nm max 6,7 in GT7.

Weak wheel in GT7. LIKE A TOY for kids. Expensive toy.
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I was so confused when that update came. Before I would have the the feedback dialed back a bit, now mine is cranked up on both wheel and in game. With the Formula cars I find it better, but road cars feel quite numb now.

So PD needs to fix that.
 
PD reasoning for capping torque is pretty weak really when there’s the option to lower FFB strength. They can simply make the default setting a lowly 5nm but let user tune it up and add in a warning ⚠️ that user needs to acknowledge when past certain “safety mark”, a disclaimer if you will. More a stunt to keep their Fanatec partner in the hunt…I’ll bet once the Clubsport DD+ comes out, they’ll implement something like the above 👆and let you go nuts with 15nm, I’m sure Fanatec will be pushing like crazy for PD to unleash their new product, their conversation will likely gain more traction than any other manufacturer can muster at the moment.
 
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s363134
PD reasoning for capping torque is pretty weak really when there’s the option to lower FFB strength.
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Yeah, from the outside the torque reduction in GT7 does seem to have little to do with safety. I mean a car manufacturer wouldn't have the power of all their vehicles reduced just because someone had foolishly pressed the throttle too hard and crashed.
From what users have said the G Pro's torque is limited to just below that of the official boosted Fanatec DD and also with the official PS5 DD1 base that's (as far as I know) still running at up to 20Nm. It does make you go, hmm.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this new 15Nm base. To use it at full strength perhaps users will be forced to wear a racing harness and wrist gauntlets. 🙂
 

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