Lowering SR is it worth it ?

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TenderLoins
So you want to drop your SR it’s easier to start in a better spot on the grid and to have a better chance at winning?

Here’s an idea. Practice.

When I first got to DR/B SR/S the same thing happened to me. Always at the back. It was like that for a couple weeks. But just driving with those faster groups will make you faster if you’re paying attention. I now have much more variation in where I Qualify and have started getting podium spots and the occasional win. There are still plenty of races where I have no chance at winning but this isn’t Career (Easy) Mode. The fun is in the competition. You won’t get better by tanking your ratings and driving with slower people. All you will get is shallow victories and insignificant virtual trophies.
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I don't think he's referring to similar paced drivers than him, I think he's referring to the fact that he's mostly getting grouped with people who are significantly better.
For some people there is no fun in constantly being at the back 1/3 of the field, or being lapped.

For occasions like this, I would say it's a game - and people should be able to enjoy it however they want. If he has better races at SR.B then let him artificially tank his rating to SR.B.
 
Sean Renon
I don't think he's referring to similar paced drivers than him, I think he's referring to the fact that he's mostly getting grouped with people who are significantly better.
For some people there is no fun in constantly being at the back 1/3 of the field, or being lapped.

For occasions like this, I would say it's a game - and people should be able to enjoy it however they want. If he has better races at SR.B then let him artificially tank his rating to SR.B.
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Do what makes you happy butt this will only start a cycle:

Tank ratings
Get easier races
Get some wins/poles
Ratings improve
Too hard again because of being in easy races
Tank ratings
....
 
TenderLoins
Do what makes you happy butt this will only start a cycle:

Tank ratings
Get easier races
Get some wins/poles
Ratings improve
Too hard again because of being in easy races
Tank ratings
....
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If the matchmaking didn't only take SR into account then it wouldn't be a problem, DR/D drivers have precisely 0 chance of catching let alone beating DR/A/S drivers, Considering the fact that some of the trophies for the game are based on wins/poles nobody except the aliens or filthy players will get them unless they think smart and work around the crap matchmaking that pits much faster drivers against significantly slower drivers.
 
ghostrider135
Considering the fact that some of the trophies for the game are based on wins/poles nobody except the aliens or filthy players will get them unless they think smart and work around the crap matchmaking that pits much faster drivers against significantly slower drivers.
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So by deliberately tanking your rankings to obtain trophies for pole positions, fastest laps and number of wins should there not be a notation alongside the achievement that these trophies were rewarded as a result of my deliberately lowering my rankings to obtain this award against competition at a lower level than my own normal level?

In my opinion a gamer that only gets halfway to an accomplishment by playing the game to the best of his ability has actually shown much more gaming skill than someone that uses glitches or manipulate the games system to reach a higher goal. Also by dropping your rankings then to the racer below your skills you are the one keeping them from being able to obtain goals.
 
VFOURMAX1
So by deliberately tanking your rankings to obtain trophies for pole positions, fastest laps and number of wins should there not be a notation alongside the achievement that these trophies were rewarded as a result of my deliberately lowering my rankings to obtain this award against competition at a lower level than my own normal level?

In my opinion a gamer that only gets halfway to an accomplishment by playing the game to the best of his ability has actually shown much more gaming skill than someone that uses glitches or manipulate the games system to reach a higher goal. Also by dropping your rankings then to the racer below your skills you are the one keeping them from being able to obtain goals.
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Right now it's the DR: A & S drivers who are keeping some of us from being able to obtain our goals. Not my fail PD decided to match based on SR and not DR. Hey, lets put the high school football team against a big 10 college team. It should be fair since both teams play fair.
 
Loopdreams
I think that's fairly inevitable, it can only match what it has to work with. There was probably another race with 20 even faster aliens and it had to put the rest with the next group down. It perhaps depends on the time of day as well, if you go on at a busy time then you're more likely to be in a more evenly matched group. FWIW I'm DR B SR S and for the most part it's been pretty reasonable. There's no reason to suppose that you should always be in a race that you could realistically win.
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I did 14 races on Nurb 24h yesterday, spread out through the day. And in all I got matched with pole positions of 8:16 down to 8:06 with a spread of over a minute down the field, S/A/B. I'm 1/3rd DR.B. I never got to finish a single race, always timed out. (Yet that's also because I never qualified, not enough time in between races) At most I've seen 6 people reach the finish before time out, bunch of times only 3 made it. SR.S is either a very small group, people are scared of the nurb, or matchmaking hates me.

There was plenty of fun to be had overtaking and racing people in the back anyway, just a shame the closest I got to the finish line was 2 more seconds in 5th place. Damn 40 second timer.

Today was no different, as any other week day. Same people, same few DR.S drivers that take off at the start. I wonder how much fun it is for them to race without any real competition? Perhaps I would have a chance with a wheel after grinding a good qualifying time, yet with controller in DR.B my best starting position has been #5, 3 seconds slower than pole. Normally I start in 7 to 12 which is fine, yet matchmaking is not putting people of equal skill together. Daily C race is not a question of having a shot at winning, it's a question of making it to the finish line in time :)
 
VFOURMAX1
So by deliberately tanking your rankings to obtain trophies for pole positions, fastest laps and number of wins should there not be a notation alongside the achievement that these trophies were rewarded as a result of my deliberately lowering my rankings to obtain this award against competition at a lower level than my own normal level?

In my opinion a gamer that only gets halfway to an accomplishment by playing the game to the best of his ability has actually shown much more gaming skill than someone that uses glitches or manipulate the games system to reach a higher goal. Also by dropping your rankings then to the racer below your skills you are the one keeping them from being able to obtain goals.
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Well considering the fact that I was at DR/A and the guys ahead were always DR/S I had 0 chance of being remotely competitive, Bear in mind that I severely tanked my DR to run at the back out of everyones way to get the clean racing achievements, Which would have been nigh impossible during a normal race as evidenced by the number of people who have complained about the penalty system amongst other things, By tanking my DR the way I did I've effectively let other players win.
 
Games by definition are only a series goals to be obtained by playing to a set of rules imposed by the author/programmer. If you manipulate your playing of the game within those rules to achieve the goals then that is actually what you are supposed to do. This works for PC/Console games as much as it does for Monopoly!!

Ok this is a very broad statement of what a game is but my point is, to play a game you only need to know what the game will and wont allow you to do then play within those boundaries, a lot of people while quite noble are applying rules to play that the game doesn't control, so those that exploit are just using all of their available resources to capitalise.
 
ghostrider135
Personally I spent most of my day yesterday tanking my DR, I got down to DR/D and still got matched up with players from DR/A that could lap Alsace a good 5 seconds per lap faster than me. Though most of that stems from being extra cautious for the clean racing achievements I would guess.

The highest DR I've ever been is DR B, And yet I'll still get matched with aliens, And people say this matchmaking works? In my experience it certainly does not.
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Matchmaking is based on SR first! I’m an S/S and still get paired with as low as c drivers but they have a high Sr.

ghostrider135
Maybe at some point tonight I won't have aliens as opponents in every race, I hope.
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Play during the day, most aliens are on at night.
 
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Baconink
Matchmaking is based on SR first! I’m an S/S and still get paired with as low as c drivers but they have a high Sr.
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I've seen DR/S paired with drivers as low as DR/D which I was in at the time whilst doing my consecutive clean races.
 
Matchmaking was more even for me between 7 and 9 EST. More people on maybe. A lot more dirty driving too unfortunately. However now I get matched with what I suspect are DR.A drivers that have tanked their DR lol. DR.C with qualifying times of DR.A at pole.

Wouldn't it make more sense for matchmaking to actually use qualifying times or rather best lap from previous races to group people together? The whole point is to put people with similar race pace together, DR ranks and qualifying under optimum conditions isn't working and is causing unnecessary accidents.

I did manage to win a race finally. Started in 5th, 3rd place deliberately hit 2nd wiping out 4th as well in the process, then punted of first in the next corner to only wipe himself out a corner later, not having anyone to use as a guard rail. Easy clean race hollow victory.
 
No its not, races below S are so bad if you ask me,

Always if i lose my S rating because of some stupid **** i have the hardest time to get back to S because of the bad races below S i dont get why people play like that...... not braking getting angry on nothing ride in your side etc i hate when i lose my S......
 
It's an interesting situation, but l don't think l would.

The system in general has its issues, no doubt.
SR S is too easy to achieve, the SR and time penalties given in races can be a lottery, and l wish they would use more parameters for match-making.

But with people driving around classed as SR S when they shouldn't be, people tanking their DR in hopes of getting better results, people using the top car in the field to qualify but line up on the grid in a car they are 2 or 3 seconds per lap slower in, and people who don't take the time for a bit of practice before the race, it's difficult to see how any of this can help generate clean, matched racing.
 
Well that is what happens if you drive the fastest Cars for the daily Races instead of the most enjoyable Cars.
I thought i am going to raise my DR Rating a bit from middle B in Sport Mode last Week and after 2 Races with AS and SS Megane, Scirrocos on Alsace i gave up. Only 4 Cars out of 20 were not Meganes and Sciroccos. Sorry i stay with the Manufacturers Championchip until this FWD Cars get balanced. In the Manufacturers Cup I feel like i get matched right and with the Mustang i can manage to get top 10 for Ford every week as a B/S Driver.
Yesterday it was really satisfying against high BS and 2 AS Drivers on Kyoto. 10 Laps of close and clean Racing and went up from Position 14 to Position 8. Not a single accident happend and i changed Positions with Beetles and Porsches like 15 to 20 times maybe? It was a joy.
Always 1 Cars in a Range of 0 to 1 Seconds around me.
Even if i should have been able to Start 4th after my Training Session. (The Porsches were way to fast :D) I had no super clean Qualification Lap and the Field was more less in 1 Second in Qualifying:(. But it was still satisfying to drive against clean Beetles. They even managed to pass me in the 2 Chicanes without bumping while i ofthen got back on my position on the Straight.
I love Manufacturers Cup. (Exept OVAL Demolition Derbys or Buthurst Megan Trophy)

Edit: I think The OP means DR. I dont know why almost all talk about SR here. And it sounds like many Players push their Ratings in Daily Races with the fastest Cars and then get matched to the fast guys in other Events and then manipulate their Rating back to lower Ratings then push it back up and so on lol really? Just drive your favorit Cars and enjoy and let the Megane Drivers be Megan Drivers.
 
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At the end of the day it is a game is it not ? So you should be able to do what you want,as long as while doing it your not taking people out.Yes i do this and yes it helped me achieve things. i have raced the fastest and i have raced the slowest,in the end its all about the mixed enjoyment.I still don't know why people take things so seriously.Good luck.
 
Sandbagging is present in all online games with a rank element. However, in GT Sport, with SR fluctuating so easily in proportion to DR, it's almost impossible to sandbag without dropping too far or not dropping enough. It also doesn't help that there's no clear gauge for your current SR like there is for DR.
 
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toddstar77
Games by definition are only a series goals to be obtained by playing to a set of rules imposed by the author/programmer. If you manipulate your playing of the game within those rules to achieve the goals then that is actually what you are supposed to do. This works for PC/Console games as much as it does for Monopoly!!

Ok this is a very broad statement of what a game is but my point is, to play a game you only need to know what the game will and wont allow you to do then play within those boundaries, a lot of people while quite noble are applying rules to play that the game doesn't control, so those that exploit are just using all of their available resources to capitalise.
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I don't really care what anyone else does, it just baffles me. Am I supposed to get some sort of endorphin rush when a little trophy pops up on the screen? I can't think of a worse waste of my life than spending hours just cheesing my way to easy wins for credits or trophies.
 
It's just so sinful to do anything or to enjoy yourself,i just don't see why people have such a problem,does it hurt you?There are achievements in game that you have to obtain.So unless you are from a different planet most will be out of reach.

So is it worth it ? Hell yes and besides there is no stopping you from going back to the higher end later. So spending hours chasing trophies and what not,might as well do it while your spending hours racing ?
 
I'm not saying it's sinful I'm saying I don't see where the fun is in sandbagging so that you can qualify in first and then drive off into the distance in front of 19 other cars all of whom are several seconds per lap slower. That's not racing.
 
I still come across some very fast drivers in the lower rankings but then again i'm usually around b rating (DR) but i also have fun and enjoy both ends of the scale and more for me i meet more people than the same ones at the higher end.i've been known to hang at the back of the field(lower end of the scale)just to have a fun drive,while i can do that but flat knacker at the high end.

Sorry if it felt like i was having a go at anyone but that is the real enjoyment that i get from it.
 
PirovacBoy
I would never do that. It’s the same like this odd money glitch, disgusting. I prefer to just play the game like it’s meant to be played, and to achieve everything with skill and patience. Much more satisfying.
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I'll give you an example of why OP's train of thinking shouldn't be frowned upon.
When I first started the game, I had a little racing knowledge, and some very minor experience in racing sims - but I have a very competitive personality.
So, it didn't take me long, but I got to DR. B pretty quick, although my SR always fluctuated from C/B and occasionally A.

Then I started outpacing other DR B drivers pretty quickly, and pretty soon I had finished the wins and pole achievements - I think I have about 10 fastest lap achievements to complete.
When these achievements were finished, I started being SR. S a lot more frequently, and then my DR went to A.

Since my DR has been A and my SR S - I think I've only won a handful of races, and the races I do win are because my lobby doesn't have a DR. S in it, or an Alien DR. A driver.
I don't really care about the achievements, but for somebody who does - is it fair that because they race cleanly, like the game wants them to - that they're rewarded by constantly being lobbied up with much much faster drivers that a lot of them will never ever be able to compete with?
Not really.

Like, last night for some reason the game grouped me with only DR. C/D drivers who were SR. S - NOT EVEN A SINGLE DR.B on Maggiorre.
It was 10pm EST, not exactly late.

I had a 1.55.7 qualifying time, and P2 was 2.00.5
I was almost 5 seconds faster than 2nd place, and the race went exactly how you think it would - I pulled away by about 5 seconds a lap.
Was it fun for me that I drove basically 4 qualifying laps with no competition, meh - not really.
And it probably wasn't fun for the guys who were racing with a lobby that was all relatively balanced, aside from me.

A staple of most competitive games is that they match you with equally skilled players, so either PD has to grow the playerbase somehow (unlikely), or they have to figure out a way to reward lower skilled drivers better when they finish well.
Maybe a secondary "win" for drivers in categories E/D - and C/B
 
Sean Renon
I'll give you an example of why OP's train of thinking shouldn't be frowned upon.
When I first started the game, I had a little racing knowledge, and some very minor experience in racing sims - but I have a very competitive personality.
So, it didn't take me long, but I got to DR. B pretty quick, although my SR always fluctuated from C/B and occasionally A.

Then I started outpacing other DR B drivers pretty quickly, and pretty soon I had finished the wins and pole achievements - I think I have about 10 fastest lap achievements to complete.
When these achievements were finished, I started being SR. S a lot more frequently, and then my DR went to A.

Since my DR has been A and my SR S - I think I've only won a handful of races, and the races I do win are because my lobby doesn't have a DR. S in it, or an Alien DR. A driver.
I don't really care about the achievements, but for somebody who does - is it fair that because they race cleanly, like the game wants them to - that they're rewarded by constantly being lobbied up with much much faster drivers that a lot of them will never ever be able to compete with?
Not really.

Like, last night for some reason the game grouped me with only DR. C/D drivers who were SR. S - NOT EVEN A SINGLE DR.B on Maggiorre.
It was 10pm EST, not exactly late.

I had a 1.55.7 qualifying time, and P2 was 2.00.5
I was almost 5 seconds faster than 2nd place, and the race went exactly how you think it would - I pulled away by about 5 seconds a lap.
Was it fun for me that I drove basically 4 qualifying laps with no competition, meh - not really.
And it probably wasn't fun for the guys who were racing with a lobby that was all relatively balanced, aside from me.

A staple of most competitive games is that they match you with equally skilled players, so either PD has to grow the playerbase somehow (unlikely), or they have to figure out a way to reward lower skilled drivers better when they finish well.
Maybe a secondary "win" for drivers in categories E/D - and C/B
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I agree halfway to your point that if someone cares of achievements and tries to game the system. That’s ok. For me i would feel like betraying myself. My understanding of those achievements relies on hard work lots of practice and consistency. I want to feel proud when I achieve these trophies. I have always played like that and still I have all these trophies. It’s like in real life not every driver despite being a decent driver will ever get all day long poles, wins, fastest laps or win Championships. It should be a honor to achieve so. At the end of the day it’s an attitude thing. Like i said anyone should feel free to do whatever he thinks.
 
PirovacBoy
I agree halfway to your point that if someone cares of achievements and tries to game the system. That’s ok. For me i would feel like betraying myself. My understanding of those achievements relies on hard work lots of practice and consistency. I want to feel proud when I achieve these trophies. I have always played like that and still I have all these trophies. It’s like in real life not every driver despite being a decent driver will ever get all day long poles, wins, fastest laps or win Championships. It should be a honor to achieve so. At the end of the day it’s an attitude thing. Like i said anyone should feel free to do whatever he thinks.
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Agreed.
Unfortunately, with a relatively small player base - it's nearly impossible to group 12-20 people who are all relatively even DR and SR.
It would be interesting to see a # of players online feature.
 
Yesterday I was in a very strong room for Gr.3 manufacturers cup, my qualifying time was .9 seconds slower than the top 10th best lap and I was battling for not last (2 second difference across the entire field). It was still very fun. I say this often but don't look at 'not winning' as bad, look at gained positions as a self win (because you're improving) and eventually you'll get a first place victory. Small steps up, you'll get one eventually, just have fun :)
 
PirovacBoy
Just take a look at this...http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=sport_play_ratio
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We can't really derive from that how many players there are at any time though. It is a relatively small base that have done even 20 races, and must be lower for 50 races - probably less than 2%, less than 40000. Considering I've done nearly 200 and some days don't race at all, even 50 races isn't a lot. But taking 40000, split over 3 regions, and over multiple time zones and different people's playing times... could easily imagine that peak players in an evening could be only a couple of thousand per region, and I think sadly that's being optimistic. Off-peak it could be under a hundred - sometimes I notice it fail to fill a room with SR:S and by that time the DRs are all over the place.

edit - and then those are split across daily races A/B/C.
 
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Outspacer
We can't really derive from that how many players there are at any time though. It is a relatively small base that have done even 20 races, and must be lower for 50 races - probably less than 2%, less than 40000. Considering I've done nearly 200 and some days don't race at all, even 50 races isn't a lot. But taking 40000, split over 3 regions, and over multiple time zones and different people's playing times... could easily imagine that peak players in an evening could be only a couple of thousand per region, and I think sadly that's being optimistic. Off-peak it could be under a hundred - sometimes I notice it fail to fill a room with SR:S and by that time the DRs are all over the place.
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Perhaps because S SR rated drivers are a very small proportion of drivers in Sport mode - less than 1% according to this when looked at early in December.

We should recognise GT Planet SR levels are not representative of the majority.
 

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