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Cars being considered for a club spec 1-make list (tuning prohibited) (cars to have ready)

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amarynceos
amar:Ah I see you've added the Garaiya -- I was actually going to suggest it as a candidate, though it might prove to be on the quick side. I would also suggest trying the Mazda Roadster '07 -- a Compact Sports list with no Miata seems wrong, somehow. ;) The '07 should do similar times to the Z4 or the Alpine, at least on twistier tracks

Daddy:I did want to include a miata and I took a look at the 07 one and I still really didnt think it would be able to compete. Could be worth a shot though it could always be the #1 car. I'm not sure if it could keep up with the z4 actually unless like you said it was a twisty track. I'm afraid the cars will be too unbalanced especially since this is my first list. What I really need is data though and I won't be able to test anything until at least the weekend.

Amar:Would be great if the Suzuki GSX fit in, though I worry about it being too fast. I loved that car in previous GTs; it was my go-to steed for the Nurburgring 4h races.

Daddy:I really think the gsx would be a lot of fun but I agree about this car being unbalanced. I remember the ai driving this thing in gt4 and I could never beat it, ever! I also couldn't figure out how to unlock it either as from what I remember you had to win the car somehow. I have a strong feeling this car is going to get cut but I've never actually driven the thing before and that includes previous gts.

Amar:Regarding Elises, remember that they have ungodly cornering abilities, almost more so than their light weight should allow; unless long straights are involved, chances are good that they will absolutely smash other cars with similar pp. The twistier the track, the more advantage they have. I've been testing my mid-range race car list concept on various tracks, and there are certain corners I can take a full fame10mph faster in the Elises than in anything else! :lol:

Daddy:I agree the Elise corners like no ones business. I just think that for these agile light cars, the pp system will be very misleading and not very helpful to be honest. That is another reason why I worry. Also I cut the brz s as I think it's too long to be considered compact.
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Agh please expand that post and read carefully at the text for what wasn't previously written by you amar. I wrote stuff in between your 3 paragraphs that you wrote to me. I'm too lazy to rewrite it or edit it.
Edit about an edit :lol: I put our names next to what we said.
 
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@daddyo845 - you and your smartphone typing. :lol: :P

@GranTurismo916 -
Yes, I encourage people to choose a track they like - in that they'll probably know it well, and could be consistent.
But it's okay if people choose tracks they don't know very well too. Variety is really key here.
I think mostly it's important for us to get several test drivers on several tracks.
So Bottom line is here - the more the merrier!

But yeah, like daddyo says there is a better chance of being consistent on a shorter track.
But even better, you can get testing done faster! :lol:
And the more the merrier.

Silverstone Stowe I think is a pretty good test track. It has some awkward turns + some significant straight bits. The only thing it's missing is hills really.
I've used it with wet especially to try and test cars' handling/grip abilities.


RE: dupe models
Thank you daddyo - I don't feel so bad about being worreid about being confused by multiple models now because I'm getting on a bit. :lol: :D


But yeah I can see longbowx's point... but it's always possible to fit them into anohter list at some point...
 
watermelonpunch
@daddyo845 - you and your smartphone typing. :lol: :P

:lol: Yeah it's bad I make so many grammatical errors and spelling errors and I feel silly because of it. Some of the reply things are confusing. This might come as a shock but I've never actually been on gtp on a computer :lol:
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Whoops did it again :lol:. Can you please reword what you said about dupe cars @watermelonpunch? I really don't understand what you said.
 
Argh okay I give up on trying SS on the Race Cars.... RH it is. :( I was getting ridiculous spreads at Laguna, cars that were tenths apart on RH were suddenly seconds apart on SS. Not good, especially on cars that would be the most frequently used -- the slower cars were the most affected (at least I think so -- I didn't even finish running the whole list, five results were enough to decide it for me). Drat, I was hoping for data that could justify SS, but alas. :lol:

Laguna Seca - RH Tyres

1:25.594 -- Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04 = amarynceos
1:26.466 -- Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08 = amarynceos
1:26.570 -- Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08 = amarynceos
1:26.636 -- RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06 = amarynceos
1:26.726 -- Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12 = amarynceos
1:26.756 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSI Touring Car '05 = amarynceos
1:26.865 -- Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11 = amarynceos
1:27.301 -- Lotus Elise Race Car '96 = amarynceos
1:27.657 -- Nissan SILVIA Spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car ’02 = amarynceos
1:28.488 -- Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08 = amarynceos
1:29.473 -- Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04 = amarynceos
1:29.895 -- Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08 = amarynceos
1:30.670 -- Mazda Roadster Touring Car = amarynceos
1:31.089 -- Honda CR-Z Touring Car = amarynceos
 
Sorry @daddyo845 that was a quick drive-by post before dinner. :lol: :guilty:
I meant that I'm glad it's not a case of just me just getting older that's concerned about potential confusion with the duplicate models. (because obviously you're not old!).
 
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION Special Color Package '99 =
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98 =
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94 =

0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94 =
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec (R33) '97 =

0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ '97 =
0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90 =


I'm going to admit it... I'm already confused. :lol: :nervous:

Please draw a line through the ones that ought to be the cut?

THANK YOU. :D
 
Thank you for clarifying that for me @watermelonpunch. That makes much more sense. Honestly I agree the evos I know there different gens but there all gsrs and the skylines are even more confusing. The only difference between the two names being r32 and r33. I don't think the supras are that bad because at least past Toyota and supra the two share nothing else in their names. I don't believe the regulars will get confused on which car to use, but watermelon who has to check those cars, well that's a different story. Also the new people who don't understand the system, it could be very confusing to start them with a list with a bunch of cars with a very similar name. Do you see my point? Also as watermelon said its quite possible we could fit some of the dupes in other lists. I mean I could probably put 3 or 4 Elises in my list but not only would that be confusing but it would be redundant. 2 of the Elises names are lotus Elise 111s and lotus Elise 111r so that would be quite confusing. Also kind of off topic but I hate how many identical cars there are in this game. This particularly applies to Japanese cars. Not that I have anything against Japan but why do you need three LITERALLY IDENTICAL Honda s2000s. They have an s2000 of this one particular year and that's all good but WHY do you need the us and European version of that same exact car?!!! WHY?!! There are literally no difference between any of those cars!! anyway sorry for ranting but it just bothers me for some reason.I honestly feel like watermelons essay posts is starting to affect me as it seems as though I'm writing very long posts a lot lately :lol:.
 
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:lol: Glad I could spread the contagious walls-of-text :odd: :rolleyes:
Much better than spreading a cold. 👎 :lol:

Anyhow yeah, me, and particularly those who are new, yes, we have to think that not everyone's been in on this... building up. We used to only use 1 list per session. Now we're going to be using 3. It'll be a lot more to take on for someone just joining in.
I think once people get the hang of it, of course it's not that big a deal. But anything that slows down the system I'd like to avoid. Because we of course want to spend most of the time racing. Not puzzling over which car to get into.
 
So I took a closer look at the pps of the of the traffic list and well based on that it doesn't seem like pp is a very good way of rating cars. If the pp system was absolutely perfect we wouldn't have to do all that much thinking of where this car should go on the list and what not.
 
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION Special Color Package '99 =
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98 = :(
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94 =

0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94 =
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec (R33) '97 =

0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ '97 =
0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90 =

Yes, I was going to post this list with them removed sometime. :lol:

Eliminating the Supra RZ would be extra painful. Unless you think the list would be fine without the 2.5GT version (in terms of speed), I would be fine with that removed.

@amarynceos I will test your medium racing list...when I can muster up the ability to pry those credits out of my possession.
 
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So this is the 14 cars we'd be left with.

0:00.000 -- Lotus Elise Sport 190 '98 = x
0:00.000 -- Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) '96 = x
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94 = x
0:00.000 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI '99 = x
0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ '97 = x
0:00.000 -- TVR V8S '91 = x
0:00.000 -- Mazda éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 = x
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98 = x
0:00.000 -- Acura NSX '91 = x
0:00.000 -- Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97 = x
0:00.000 -- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '98 = x
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94 = x
0:00.000 -- Toyota MR2 GT-S '97 = x
0:00.000 -- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) '98 = x


daddyo845
So I took a closer look at the pps of the of the traffic list and well based on that it doesn't seem like pp is a very good way of rating cars. If the pp system was absolutely perfect we wouldn't have to do all that much thinking of where this car should go on the list and what not.
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No it never has been unfortunately a very absolute way to judge cars. It's more of a ballpark starting point.
 
LongbowX
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION Special Color Package '99 =
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR '98 = :(
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94 =

0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94 =
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec (R33) '97 =

0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ '97 =
0:00.000 -- Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90 =

Yes, I was going to post this list with them removed sometime. :lol:

Eliminating the Supra RZ would be extra painful. Unless you think the list would be fine without the 2.5GT version (in terms of speed), I would be fine with that removed.

@amarynceos I will test your medium racing list...when I can muster up the ability to pry those credits out of my possession.
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No don't eliminate both fast lancers!!!
 
daddyo845
So I took a closer look at the pps of the of the traffic list and well based on that it doesn't seem like pp is a very good way of rating cars. If the pp system was absolutely perfect we wouldn't have to do all that much thinking of where this car should go on the list and what not.
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Maybe Power to Weight ratios?
 
I don't want the lancer evos to be fast anyway.
That would just be like everyone would complain in gt5 shuffle and make for annoyance. :lol:
You know what I'm talking about... "He won because he got the Evo!" :rolleyes: :lol:
PROBLEM SOLVED. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ;)

I figure the Elise is good as the fastest car because let's face it... the kind of driver who would get the most out of the Elise will probably not be coming in 14th place + much.
So at least it will be where it should be - to give some of us inconsistent peeps a bit of a chance after placing poorly.

So I think this list actually looks pretty good as far as balance & gradation down the list.

Of course we need more test times! :)
 
watermelonpunch
I don't want the lancer evos to be fast anyway.
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Conspiracy I say! :lol: They're not that good.

Indeed. The Elise is not extremely difficult to drive with SH, and it's a fun car (with that "distant drum solo" ticking under power :P). I don't think the fastest drivers will be getting it too often either...

I think I will test them on another track, any preferences? I was thinking something like Trial Mountain. We only have GVE/R and Laguna so far. I don't know what others would want to do.

And yes, that is the correct name for the Supra.



@daddyo845 The PP system is supposedly based on a number of factors (weight balance is also included I believe). There is some other reading in this thread. But it's hardly conclusive on what it takes into account. Whatever system it uses though, it definitely doesn't work!
 
LongbowX
Conspiracy I say! :lol: They're not that good.
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Well in gt5 shuffle... they were usually compared to most of the cars. And most people seemed to love them. Which is something I never understood.

But, the plural of anecdote is not data, so hoping to get more times on ANY track by anyone.
 
They were usually on the better end of that specific level. Good acceleration with the short gearing for the courses that suit that.

I will test them soon, this weekend probably. On some kind of course, I'm thinking Willow springs now, because I like it. But perhaps a tighter course (like Streets) would put the FR cars on the back foot a little.
 
Here's some times for ya, @daddyo845

Compact Sports List
(Tsukuba offline/CS/Abs1/4laps)

1:04.739 -- Autobacs Garaiya '03 = amarynceos
1:05.583 -- Ford RS200 '84 = amarynceos
1:05.804 -- Tommy Kaira ZZS '00 = amarynceos
1:05.887 -- Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01 = amarynceos
1:06.296 -- Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept '02
1:06.419 -- Opel Speedster Turbo '00 = amarynceos
1:06.537 -- Lotus 111S '03 = amarynceos
1:06.854 -- Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71 = amarynceos
1:07.039 -- Honda S2000 '06 = amarynceos
1:07.067 -- Hyundai HCD-6 '01 = amarynceos
1:07.669 -- Volkswagen Golf IV R32 '03 = amarynceos
1:07.796 -- Audi TT Coupe 3.2 Quattro '03 = amarynceos
1:07.811 -- Chrysler Crossfire '04 = amarynceos
1:07.850 -- Subaru BRZ S '12 = amarynceos
1:08.205 -- BMW Z4 ’03 = amarynceos
1:08.415 -- Toyota MR2 GTS '97 = amarynceos
1:08.615 -- Lancia Stratos '73 = amarynceos
1:08.690 -- Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07 = amarynceos
1:08.709 -- Alpine A110 1600S '72 = amarynceos

Personally I think this is a good time spread; on the lists I've tested at Tsukuba to date, I generally get a 4 second spread. 👍

note 1: MR2 GTS and Stratos Times set on CM/CS; CS/CS times for me were approximately 0.6 seconds slower (and a lot scarier :scared: ).

note 2: The Solstice is way better than I remember from previous games; tons of fun, really brought a smile to my face while driving it. :D

note 3: CZ-3 Tarmac and Golf really don't fit the Compact Sports notion, in my opinion (and the Tarmac has one of those horrid automatic gearboxes...). ;) Also the HCD is one of the most hideous things I've ever seen, and to boot can't be painted to hide its horrible visage. :yuck: :lol:


Not yet tested:

Tesla Roadster; will run if necessary but I despise electric cars
TVR V8S '91

Far Too Fast:
Suzuki GSX R/4 at 1:02.340

Another Suggestion: the Hommel Berlinette R/S '99, possibly in lieu of the MR2 and the Stratos (both of which appear on other current or prospective lists); it did a similar time (1:08.591) and is also a wild MR, but it’s relatively easier to handle than the other two.


--amar
 
Thanks for the data that shaped up better than I expected. I'm still testing my list now on trial mountain with sports hard. So far it seems like comfort soft tires may be a better choice. As for the Suzuki, I figured that was going to happen and I see no reason to do any further testing with it. Yeah the cz 3 is more like a hatchback and despite the automatic transmission noises, I find it pretty fun to drive. The golf again I agree isn't really a sport compact as much as it is a hot hatch. I will take your point into account but I'm not ready to cut them yet. I will keep the brz for now but from what I remember its over 170 inches long which is beyond the length I wanted but it has the spirit of a compact and it fits well in the group at least according to these results. Yes the hcd 6 is terribly ugly and unpaintable and for some reason I'm having trouble controlling it. I don't know if you had any issues amar. I'm pretty happy the speedster and the Elise had very similar times because I kind of want to see the two battling each other being that they are very close enemies. There are more than 16 cars so I will need to make cuts but I want to see the rest of your results amar and also I would like to see other results including mine. Next test I do I will use comfort soft tires. Woah what a word wall! :crazy:
 
Tsukuba/ SH

1:02.246 -- Lotus Elise Sport 190 '98 = LongbowX
1:03.636-- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94 = LongbowX
1:03.674 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI '99 = LongbowX
1:03.979 -- Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) '96 = LongbowX
1:04.444 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ '97 = LongbowX
1:04.812 -- Mazda éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 = LongbowX
1:04.937 -- TVR V8S '91 = LongbowX
1:05.055 -- Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97 = LongbowX
1:05.394 -- Acura NSX '91 = LongbowX
1:05.472 -- Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98 = LongbowX
1:05.933 -- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '98 = LongbowX
1:06.005 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94 = LongbowX
1:06.168 -- Toyota MR2 GT-S '97 = LongbowX
1:06.478 -- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) '98 = LongbowX

Elise is great around the tight corners, obviously. The AWD cars gained a little generally with the many traction limited corners. Only surprise was the NSX which suffered from it's tall gearing.

@daddyo845 I will attempt to test your list when you get it down to a more finished list (<16 cars) and decide on the tires. And I would consider the Opel Speedster vs. Elise more as a sibling rivalry. Seeming as Lotus didn't have money to develop the Elise...GM had money, in exchange for having the chassis for themselves to base a car on too. :P
 

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