Makeshift Shuffle Club - Time Trials & Testing for club car lists - all welcomeOpen

[LongbowX]

The usual place.

1:18.389 -- Toyota Tacoma X-Runner '04 = LongbowX
1:18.906 -- Land Rover Range Stormer '04 = LongbowX
1:19.207 -- Seat Ibiza Cupra '04 = LongbowX
1:19.937 -- Mini COOPER S '07 = LongbowX
1:20.178 -- Toyota CELICA SS-II (ST202) '97 = LongbowX
1:21.490 -- Chevrolet SSR '03 = LongbowX
1:21.604 -- Pontiac Vibe GT '03 = LongbowX
1:22.021 -- Lexus IS 200 '98 = LongbowX
1:22.085 -- BMW 120i '04 = LongbowX
1:22.184 -- Abarth Grande Punto '09 = LongbowX
1:22.885 -- Volkswagen Golf IV GTI '01 = LongbowX
1:23.038 -- Peugeot 307 XSi '04 = LongbowX
1:23.779 -- Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 TWIN SPARK '06 = LongbowX
1:23.885 -- Eagle Talon Esi '97 = LongbowX
1:23.975 -- Infiniti G20 '90 = LongbowX
1:24.909 -- Chrysler PT Cruiser '00 = LongbowX

 

[watermelon punch]

Where everybody knows your name?

 

[LongbowX]

Yes, but with less alcoholism.


EDIT: Modified 90s Sports List

1:11.000 -- Lotus Elise Sport 190 ’98 = LongbowX
1:11.648 -- Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) ’96 = LongbowX
1:11.970 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ ’97 = LongbowX
1:12.209 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec (R33) ’97 = LongbowX
1:12.251 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION Special Color Package ’99 = LongbowX
1:12.305 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) ’94 = LongbowX
1:12.590 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR ’98 = LongbowX
1:12.655 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI ’99 = LongbowX
1:13.324 -- Mazda éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.473 -- TVR V8S ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.625 -- Acura NSX ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.822 -- Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR ’98 = LongbowX
1:13.903 -- Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe ’97 = LongbowX
1:14.099 -- Toyota MR2 GT-S ’97 = LongbowX
1:14.709 -- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) ’98 = LongbowX
1:14.877 -- Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R ’90 = LongbowX
1:15.899 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR ’94 = LongbowX
1:16.071 -- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) ’98= LongbowX


Removed

1:11.234 -- Honda NSX Type S Zero ’97 = LongbowX *difficult to drive
1:12.261 -- Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) ’90 = LongbowX *tall gearing makes it ponderous
1:12.303 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version VI ’99 = LongbowX *too many Imprezas, but fun to drive...
1:12.453 -- Subaru IMPREZA Coupe 22B-STi Version ’98 = LongbowX *too short gearing (144)
1:12.712 -- Mazda RX-7 Type RS-R (FD) ’97 = LongbowX *difficult to drive
1:13.484 -- Honda S2000 ’99 = LongbowX *more a 2000s car
1:13.725 -- Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) ’99 = LongbowX *more a 2000s car also
1:13.835 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR ’96 = LongbowX *short gearing (150)
1:13.891 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version II ’95 = LongbowX * on the bubble...
1:14.258 -- NISMO 270R ’94 = LongbowX *worse than truck handling
1:14.901 -- BMW M Coupé ’98 = LongbowX *worse than truck handling also
1:17.213 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR ’92 = LongbowX *slow

If I want to make sure someone doesn't podium twice (not that I think it's likely)... I should probably test the 2+2 Version of the 300ZX. *Note to self

 

[watermelon punch]

on the bubble

?

 

[LongbowX]

The only reason I wrote that is because it seemed unfair to me to have included 3 Evos and only one STi. If I were choosing another Subaru (that I cut), I would take the STi Version VI ’99, but it's too close to the Wagon already in. So it seems natural I would pick the WRX STi Version II ’95 instead (and remove the Evolution V GSR ’98).

 

[watermelon punch]

What does that have to do with bubbles?

(is this an expression I don't know? )

 

[LongbowX]

It is an idiom. It has to do with something that could go multiple ways (though often used with 2 items). Apparently it sprung up during racing, strangely enough. Mostly it refers to something that might change based on results.

 

[GTsail]

The second definition that @LongbowX lists is the one I normally associate with being "on the bubble"

Like a level that has a bubble in its fluid chamber that marks the middle point where the level is "level"

And the bubble will go either higher or lower depending upon a small balance change.

"Teetering on a knife's edge" almost means the same thing, though it sounds a bit more drastic!

GTsail

 

[watermelon punch]

Ah, yes, makes sense.
Very interesting.

 

[amarynceos]

Snowing like crazy here (8" and rising, which is significant for Western Oregon) so seemed like a good opportunity to do some testing.

TRAFFIC
Laguna Seca (qualifies as 'hilly' I do believe)

1:47.842 -- Seat Ibiza Cupra '04 = amarynceos
1:47.907 -- Toyota Tacoma X-Runner '04 = amarynceos
1:49.407 -- Land Rover Range Stormer '04 = amarynceos
1:49.901 -- Mini COOPER S '07 = amarynceos
1:50.509 -- Toyota CELICA SS-II (ST202) '97 = amarynceos
1:51.054 -- Pontiac Vibe GT '03 = amarynceos
1:51.217 -- BMW 120i '04 = amarynceos
1:52.261 -- Abarth Grande Punto '09 = amarynceos
1:52.413 -- Peugeot 307 XSi '04 = amarynceos
1:52.717 -- Chevrolet SSR '03 = amarynceos
1:52.741 -- Volkswagen Golf IV GTI '01 = amarynceos
1:53.258 -- Lexus IS 200 '98 = amarynceos
1:53.271 -- Infiniti G20 '90 = amarynceos
1:53.704 -- Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 TWIN SPARK '06 = amarynceos
1:54.077 -- Eagle Talon Esi '97 = amarynceos
1:54.579 -- Chrysler PT Cruiser '00 = amarynceos

note: Range Stormer. Half a million seems like a lot for something that can't have its wheels changed, can't be painted, is ugly as sin, drives like a shed, and stops like a boat with no anchor. just my opinion, of course -- it fits well with the theme of the list

 

[VBR]

SHUFFLERS UNITED - GT5 Saturday Night Server Assault!

First event is tonight at 7pm GMT. Be there of be square!

 

[watermelon punch]

You can't paint he land rover??

 

[daddyo845]

Or change the rims?!

 

[amarynceos]

No, and no. It's funny... I didn't care much about painting cars in GT5, but now that I can have uniform fleets thanks to unlimited-use paint chip, it really irritates me to not be able to make a car match its stablemates.

 

[daddyo845]

I know how you feel. I didn't paint cars either. I mean whats the point if you can't make all of your cars match but now since you can use the same color an infinite number of times, I always paint my cars that I use online the same color.

 

[watermelon punch]

You have to leave it that orange?

You could paint it in GT5.

 

[amarynceos]

Yeah, you're stuck with that odd orange colour. Given my Traffic list is now covered in Primer Gray (Matte Light Gray) it really stands out like a sore thumb.

(you can paint the other Land Rover though -- which is also faster in the bends, handles better, is 1/8th the price, and is prettier. Okay no, it still got beat with an ugly stick. ~.~ Do attractive SUVs even exist?)

 

[watermelon punch]

Well to be fair though, it's inclusion was based on its offensiveness somewhat.
But yeah it's getting more offensive seeming all the time.

 

[watermelon punch]

Look it was possible to paint it in GT5.

 

[Phouchg]

Haha those two cars look pretty similar.. except one is an oversized monster.

 

[watermelon punch]

I did that on purpose.

 

[amarynceos]

So, what with being snowbound (or the Western Oregon equivalent thereof, at least for a lazy pedestrian like myself) since Thursday, I've been doing a lot of buying and testing lately. I've been working on some lists for consideration down the road -- obviously we have plenty of lists right now but maybe these will be of interest at some point. Or at least provide some data points for making other lists.

First, for a while I've been working on a high-end sports car list:

LIST IDEA - Premium Sports Coupés
Sports Medium Tyres

Under consideration:

0:00.000 -- Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08
0:00.000 -- Amuse NISMO 380 RS Super Leggera
0:00.000 -- Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10
0:00.000 -- BMW Z4 M Coupé '08
0:00.000 -- Cadillac CTS-V Coupé '11
0:00.000 -- Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14
0:00.000 -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
0:00.000 -- Ferrari California '08
0:00.000 -- Honda NSX Type R '02
0:00.000 -- Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
0:00.000 -- Lotus Esprit V8 '02
0:00.000 -- Lotus Evora '09
0:00.000 -- Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
0:00.000 -- Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34) '02
0:00.000 -- SRT Viper GTS '02
0:00.000 -- Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10
0:00.000 -- TVR Tamora ’02

(considered and tested but struck:
Ferrari F430 '06, Nissan GTR '07, - supercars, not sports cars
Art Morrison Corvette '60 - awesome but expensive and not stylistically consistent.)

(most likely to be struck:
Amuse NISMO 380 RS Super Leggera, more of a tuner than a sports coupe... plus one more, but I can't decide.)

I've tested them all so far at two tracks, and have a similar time spread as the Luxury list (with the slowest cars here doing similar times to the fastest Luxury cars.)

(conditions for all tests: Arcade Time Trial, aids off/abs1/BB5/5, grip reduction real, 3 clean/tidy laps,)

Laguna Seca, SM Tyres

1:32.955 -- Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14
1:33.540 -- Ferrari California '08
1:33.781 -- Amuse NISMO 380 RS Super Leggera
1:34.056 -- TVR Tamora ’02
1:34.111 -- SRT Viper GTS '02
1:34.138 -- Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08
1:34.188 -- Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10
1:34.199 -- Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10
1:34.455 -- Honda NSX Type R '02
1:34.598 -- Lotus Esprit V8 '02
1:35.301 -- Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
1:35.343 -- Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
1:35.663 -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
1:36.054 -- Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08
1:36.579 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34) '02
1:36.672 -- Cadillac CTS-V Coupé '11
1:36.857 -- BMW Z4 M Coupe '08
1:36.846 -- Lotus Evora '09

Deep Forest, SM Tyres

1:21.268 -- Ferrari California '08
1:21.754 -- Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10
1:21.867 -- Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14
1:22.032 -- Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10
1:22.297 -- Honda NSX Type R '02
1:22.416 -- SRT Viper GTS '02
1:22.436 -- Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08
1:22.500 -- TVR Tamora ’02
1:22.801 -- Amuse NISMO 380 RS Super Leggera
1:23.091 -- Art Morrison Corvette '60
1:23.230 -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
1:23.664 -- Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
1:23.895 -- Lotus Esprit V8 '02
1:23.951 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34) '02
1:24.058 -- Jaguar XKR Coupe '10
1:24.607 -- Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08
1:25.308 -- Cadillac CTS-V Coupé '11
1:25.384 -- BMW Z4 M Coupé '08
1:25.821 -- Lotus Evora '09

Prices; top speeds (incomplete a.t.m.; tested at SSRX); HP/PP after oil change
(G) = gear limited, (A) = aero limited, (A/G) = aero limited but at or close to rev limiter

Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08 = 220,000 cr., 202 mph (G), 465HP/507PP
Amuse NISMO 380 RS Super Leggera = 100,000 cr., 167 mph (A), 399HP/510PP
Aston Martin V12 Vantage '10 = 217,350 cr., 191 mph (G), 535HP/529PP
BMW Z4 M Coupé '08 = 69,500 cr., 202 mph (A/G), 357HP/476PP
Cadillac CTS-V Coupé '11 = 90,000 cr., 220 mph (A), 582HP/528PP
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 = 51,000 cr., 239 mph (A)*, 476HP/533PP
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 = 54,200 cr., 220 mph (A), 426HP/513PP
Ferrari California '08 = 236,000 cr., 208 mph (A/G), 476HP/530PP
Honda NSX Type R '02 = 119,570 cr., 195 mph (A), 305HP/475PP
Jaguar XKR Coupe '10 = 155,000 cr., ???mph, 528HP/519PP
Lotus Esprit V8 '02 = 116,520 cr., 190 (G), 370HP/489PP
Lotus Evora '09 = 100,000 cr., 192 (A)**, 290HP/468PP
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02 = 40,000 cr., 176 (G), 307HP/473PP
Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08 = 43,750 cr., ??? mph, 348HP/469PP
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34) '02 = 61,000 cr., ??? mph, 353HP/476PP
SRT Viper GTS '02 = 90,400 cr., 212 mph (A)**, 471HP/523PP
Toyota FT-86 G SPORTS Concept '10 = 500,000 cr., 183 mph (A/G), 313HP/483PP
TVR Tamora ’02 = 70,940 cr., 191 mph (G), 361HP/505PP

*Something's broken with the Stingray's top end, but it takes so long to get there it shouldn't matter on normal tracks.
**in 5th gear, doesn't get to/make use of 6th

As if that wall of text wasn't enough, I've just put together what I think is a fun list of mid-range GT cars, all of which can be painted and numbered, and are premium. They run in a 5-second spread at Deep Forest on RHs; I'm in the middle of testing them with SSs and thinking about testing with SMs.

Customizable Mid-Range GT Race Cars (real catchy list title )

0:00.000 -- Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08
0:00.000 -- Honda CR-Z Touring Car
0:00.000 -- Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04
0:00.000 -- Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08
0:00.000 -- Lotus Elise Race Car '96
0:00.000 -- Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04
0:00.000 -- Mazda Roadster Touring Car
0:00.000 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSI Touring Car '05
0:00.000 -- Nissan SILVIA Spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car ’02
0:00.000 -- RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06
0:00.000 -- Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11
0:00.000 -- Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12
0:00.000 -- Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08
0:00.000 -- Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08

on RHs at Deep Forest, just for reference

1:15.247 -- Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04
1:15.506 -- Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12
1:15.811 -- Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08
1:15.874 -- Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08
1:16.231 -- RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06
1:16.528 -- Nissan SILVIA Spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car ’02
1:16.534 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSI Touring Car '05
1:16.760 -- Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11
1:17.438 -- Lotus Elise Race Car '96
1:17.852 -- Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08
1:19.044 -- Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08
1:19.224 -- Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04
1:20.268 -- Mazda Roadster Touring Car
1:20.415 -- Honda CR-Z Touring Car

Despite all that spending, I'm also thinking of working on a list of low-powered race cars, using the Suzuki Cappucino and Toyota 86 Race Cars as a starting point. Unfortunately there aren't many more customizable race cars in this range, but that aside there are a lot of choices.

Edit: more info. Prices, HP/PP, top speeds

500,000cr. -- Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08 - 350HP/514PP - 162mph (A/G)
185,000cr. -- Honda CR-Z Touring Car - 210HP/449PP - 137mph (A)
117,500cr. -- Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04 - 313HP/484PP - 151mph (G)
500,000cr. -- Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08 - 333HP/513PP - 156mph (A)
137,500cr. -- Lotus Elise Race Car '96 - 182HP/504PP - 141mph (A/G)
134,500cr. -- Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04 - 274HP/534PP - 158mph (A/G)
167,000cr. -- Mazda Roadster Touring Car - 214HP/471PP - 148mph (A)
115,500cr. -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSI Touring Car '05 - 421HP/524PP - 160mph (G)
125,500cr. -- Nissan SILVIA Spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car ’02 - 372HP/514PP - 163mph (A/G)
500,000cr. -- RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06 - 337HP/512PP - 169mph (A/G)
100,000cr. -- Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11 - 377HP/518PP - 166mph (A)
500,000cr. -- Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12 - 361HP/518PP - 158mph (A/G)
500,000cr. -- Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08 - 333HP/514PP - 162mph (A)
420,000cr. -- Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08 - 336HP/484PP - 145mph (G)
(A) = aero limited, (G) = gear limited, (A/G) = aero limit very close to gear limit (within 5mph or so)
Total: 4,002,500cr.

Deep Forest times on SS tyres:

1:15.994 -- Lotus Elise 111R Race Car '04
1:17.528 -- Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08
1:18.314 -- Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12
1:18.639 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSI Touring Car '05
1:18.982 -- Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08
1:19.099 -- RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06
1:19.130 -- Nissan SILVIA Spec-R AERO (S15) Touring Car ’02
1:19.253 -- Lotus Elise Race Car '96
1:19.512 -- Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11
1:19.655 -- Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08
1:21.285 -- Honda INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) Touring Car '04
1:21.380 -- Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08
1:22.215 -- Mazda Roadster Touring Car
1:22.273 -- Honda CR-Z Touring Car

 

[daddyo845]

Wow very informative. I can't believe I actually read the whole thing

 

[watermelon punch]

I'll look forward to taking a closer look at all that tonight. 👍

 

[daddyo845]

Well I have an idea for a list too but I don't want to let out any of the details until the amount that we have to test goes down. I would say we have plenty on our plate right now. Also I thought we were done testing the legends list.

 

[LongbowX]

@amarynceos I admire your dedication to the cause!

I personally think that the Race car list is very interesting. I don't think that's ever been done? I definitely like the idea. Would be fun.

The more lists the merrier I say! Variety is the spice of life, so "they" say. Besides, I perennially save my money. This is a good way to spend it.

 

[daddyo845]

I definitely like the race car idea sounds like it would be a great idea. I do like the idea of more and more lists but my money is not unlimited so I say we stick with the lists at hand for now

 

[LongbowX]

Perhaps not unlimited, but it's always possible make more! The Red Bull Events are pretty good for that. My 90s Sports (And the "Sporty" list if it comes to fruition) are not too expensive. The race car list is definitely pricier....but money well spent I think!

 

[daddyo845]

Well I wanted to do a compact sports car list too but I want to wait until the time is right

 

[watermelon punch]

Just want to bump this up in my watched threads frankly.

But I'm keeping an eye on everything here, just FYI.
I want to get the traffic list sorted & out.
And then I guess we'll start focusing on the 90s sports next.... since that does seem to be a frugal credit expenditure list.
But don't be afraid to post test times for whatever, since we can keep them here for future reference. 👍