Makeshift Shuffle Club - Time Trials & Testing for club car lists - all welcomeOpen

[Phouchg]

It is very lovely, it's in the north of Finland though, so not where I live, where my grandfather grew up.. Mostly pine trees up there and a little shrubbery on the ground. ^^

Really looked like a driveway, except a really large one.

Did anyone spot me in the picture i uploaded by the way? I sure didn't when I uploaded it.


(Anyway someone should probably help us back on topic..)

 

[GTsail]

Did anyone spot me in the picture i uploaded by the way? I sure didn't when I uploaded it.

I didn't see you the first time I looked at the picture, my focus was on the cars and the roof mounted aero-devices.

The area does look very nice, quite scenic!👍

GTsail

 

[watermelon punch]

Yes I did spot a person and wondered... "Is that the Swede?" But thought it would be impertinent to inquire.

(Anyway someone should probably help us back on topic..)

Yes, by posting times that I can record and add to my data. 💡


Or else I'm going to have to test all the cars myself a couple more times and use that...

 

[Phouchg]

Ehm I was going to test now.. buut I'm really not up to speed what needs to be tested, could anyone inform me?

 

[watermelon punch]

I'm trying to push the Traffic List right now, because I think many of us already had some of hte cars from the Commuter list.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-mixer-makeshift-shuffle.295260/#post-9132658

But I'd also like to work on the Legends list as well.

 

[watermelon punch]

Okay just a hopeful request for some fill in times. ^^
No pressure, just want to see if anyone can fill in these test times for me...


@Handlebar
Suzuka East
0:00.000 -- Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = 16,900 cr
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

@CC570
Suzuka East
0:00.000 -- Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = CC570
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83



I know this seems silly but this is a note to self...
@watermelonpunch
National B Clubman Cup Silverstone National
0:00.000 -- Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = 16,900 cr
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

 

[Handlebar]

Yes, tomorrow. Bedtime for me.

The RX-7 was in my initial data, 1:03.586

 

[watermelon punch]

oh sorry! Thank you.
I see why I missed that - it was missing "mazda" so when I looked over the list I skimmed right past it.

 

[CC570]

Okay just a hopeful request for some fill in times. ^^
No pressure, just want to see if anyone can fill in these test times for me...

@CC570
Suzuka East
0:00.000 -- Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = CC570
0:00.000 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

Suzuka East
1:05.890 -- Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = CC570
1:05.079 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

 

[watermelon punch]

Thank you!

 

[Handlebar]

1:04.083 -- Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83

 

[watermelon punch]

Thank you!

 

[Handlebar]

It was not fun to drive, very touchy.

 

[watermelon punch]

Really???
That's one of my favourite Skylines...
And actually - IN general I hate Skylines!
Just goes to show that some cars handling I think appeals to some people more than others.

 

[LongbowX]

The usual, GVE/Rev. SH tires, which is probably what we should use.

1:11.000 -- Lotus Elise Sport 190 ’98 = LongbowX
1:11.234 -- Honda NSX Type S Zero ’97 = LongbowX
1:11.648 -- Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) ’96 = LongbowX
1:11.970 -- Toyota SUPRA RZ ’97 = LongbowX
1:12.209 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec (R33) ’97 = LongbowX
1:12.251 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION Special Color Package ’99 = LongbowX
1:12.261 -- Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) ’90 = LongbowX
1:12.305 -- Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) ’94 = LongbowX
1:12.453 -- Subaru IMPREZA Coupe 22B-STi Version ’98 = LongbowX
1:12.590 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR ’98 = LongbowX
1:12.712 -- Mazda RX-7 Type RS-R (FD) ’97 = LongbowX
1:13.324 -- Mazda éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.473 -- TVR V8S ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.484 -- Honda S2000 ’99 = LongbowX
1:13.625 -- Acura NSX ’91 = LongbowX
1:13.725 -- Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) ’99 = LongbowX
1:13.822 -- Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR ’98 = LongbowX
1:13.835 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR ’96 = LongbowX
1:13.891 -- Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version II ’95 = LongbowX
1:13.903 -- Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe ’97 = LongbowX
1:14.099 -- Toyota MR2 GT-S ’97 = LongbowX
1:14.258 -- NISMO 270R ’94 = LongbowX
1:14.709 -- Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) ’98 = LongbowX
1:14.877 -- Toyota SUPRA 2.5GT Twin Turbo R ’90 = LongbowX
1:14.901 -- BMW M Coupé ’98 = LongbowX
1:16.071 -- Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR (ST205) ’98= LongbowX
1:17.213 -- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR ’92 = LongbowX

This is a "in process" test for the "90s Sports List" . Just a nice place for me to keep these times and notes.

There are likely a number of cuts. Including some of the RWD cars (sadly) - namely the 270R and M Coupé which both plow like their front wheels don't turn. You would think the AWDs would be the least fun to drive, but you'd be wrong. I would also cut the MR2 GTS, which is likely the spawn of Stratos. The ZR-1 will probably be cut, it has such talllllll gearing, it completely negates the power it has. More research to be done on the STi's and Evo's as some might have gearing problems (the original Evo just has a speed problem). Fortunately there are many many many variants of those Evos and STis. So there likely are substitutes.

The NSX Type Zero is a bit tricky to drive so it might be cut. The '91 is much more stable. The RX-7 '97 is unstable as well so it might be subbed with another more stable RX-7 variant.

I added the S2000, Silvia and Celica because I was looking for slower cars to round it out, but the S2000 and Silvia handle too well . And the Celica, well....it ain't so hot.

The Elise 190 is easier to drive than before, it's actually useable now I think.

And I'll have to say it...the American cars were generally the most fun. Corvette Grand Sport is a helluva performer. And the Z28 is not half bad and fun to drive to boot. Definitely in.

I think I need to work it to be a perhaps be about a 4-5 second gap between the 1st and last car in the list.

Lastly, doing this list and seeing all the 90s cars in the game made me want to preliminarily do a '90s "sporty cars" list with cars like the FTO, '90 RX-7, 240SX, Silvia, Supra RZ, MG MGF, 206, SLK, etc. But we'll see. This one needs some work still.

 

[watermelon punch]

Legends List


shaping up after 6 sets of times:

1. Lancia DELTA HF Integrale Evoluzione '91 = 54,500 cr (prize car)
2. Renault 5 Turbo '80 = 74,500 cr
3. Toyota 2000GT '67 = 160,000 cr
4. Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupé '54 = 237,690 cr
5. Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83 = 25,180 cr
   
6. Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = 16,900 cr
7. Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61 = 50,930 cr
8. Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89 = 17,000 cr
9. Lancia Stratos '73 = 375,000 cr
10. Audi quattro '82 = 90,360 cr
11. Alpine A110 1600S '73 = 60,200 cr
12. Mini COOPER S Countryman (R60) '11 = 34,500 cr
13. Dome ZERO '78 = 500,000 cr
14. DMC DeLorean S2 '04 = 525,000 cr
15. Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85 = 78,400 cr

Since they're kind of pricey, and the Delta & the Miata kind of have issues on some tracks. ^^
I'm figuring we could cut those and deal with a list of 13 cars, and just have 13+ drive the Peugeot 205 turbo. Since there's usually not more than 13 people in most races anyway.
If there's that many people in the race... good for people who came in the back to have a shot at something next race anyhow, so I can't see the big harm, because the chances are there to spin that Peugeot anyhow, so it's not like it would be unchallenging.

So anyway, then it would look like this - with the Renault that drives like an IV drip stand being #1 car - as it should be.

1. Renault 5 Turbo '80 = 74,500 cr
2. Toyota 2000GT '67 = 160,000 cr
3. Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupé '54 = 237,690 cr
4. Nissan SKYLINE HT 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83 = 25,180 cr
   
5. Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 = 16,900 cr
6. Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61 = 50,930 cr
7. Lancia Stratos '73 = 375,000 cr
8. Audi quattro '82 = 90,360 cr
9. Alpine A110 1600S '73 = 60,200 cr
10. Mini COOPER S Countryman (R60) '11 = 34,500 cr
11. Dome ZERO '78 = 500,000 cr
12. DMC DeLorean S2 '04 = 525,000 cr
13. Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85 = 78,400 cr

 

[LongbowX]

Pretty sweet list! And the 205 is a very enjoyable car. That would be a fun 3-way battle! The R5 Turbo isn't so bad...I drove it at Autumn Ring, but that's pretty flat. I'm guessing it could get more interesting on any kind of banking...

I don't think they're too pricey. Except the DeLorean! Geez. I know it's Stainless-steel...but it seems they lined it with Gold too.

I'm working on figuring out which Evos and STis to include, mostly testing their top ends. The STi Wagon got up to 175, so it'll probably be in.

 

[watermelon punch]

Well I'm not testing any cars on that huge list until you narrow it down a little. I'll never afford to buy the Muira bertone at this point.


Also... still lookng for people to test more tracks of the TRAFFIC list.
THat one is actually cheaper especially because lots have some of the cars already.

 

[watermelon punch]

But don't cut the Celica & MR2... I already have those and I think they're good.

Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) ’96 - NEVER EVEN HEARD of this one. Ever.

 

[amarynceos]

But, but, but... Miata.... (is a huge Miata fan)
Anyway, nice list. 👍 Apart from dropping the Miata. Glad to see the Delta go; it belongs in the scrapyard.

I will definitely not want to be 3rd or 6th using that list, though. The 300SL and the E-type may be legends and really high on my personal list of all-time gorgeous cars, but testing them made me wish for terminal damage in GT more than I ever had wished before. Terminal damage with fire, ideally.

Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) ’96 - NEVER EVEN HEARD of this one. Ever.

 

[daddyo845]

So is the legend list just about ready to go? And what about that traffic list? I might be interested in testing it as I have built up a decent amount of credits. I don't know what page the traffic list is on though.

Edit: never mind. I see that all of the lists are on the first page.

 

[LongbowX]

Well I'm not testing any cars on that huge list until you narrow it down a little. I'll never afford to buy the Muira bertone at this point.

Also... still lookng for people to test more tracks of the TRAFFIC list.
THat one is actually cheaper especially because lots have some of the cars already.

I am going to cut it down quite a bit, so that would be my advice too. And yeah...the Miura, 250 GTO, all so very elusive...

I will test them later today, or tomorrow perhaps if you'd like.

But don't cut the Celica & MR2... I already have those and I think they're good.

Chevrolet Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) ’96 - NEVER EVEN HEARD of this one. Ever.

The Celica will probably stay, but the MR2? It really is tough to drive. Though you did just make a list where every other car in a handful.

And you're missing out. The Grand Sport 'Vette is a really great car!

 

[watermelon punch]

Oh yeah, sorry, the working lists are in post #2 (It's always post #2 isn't it? )

I'll move the traffic up to the top and squirrel away the Legends times soon.


And you know, I'm never familiar with the "really great cars".


And yeah, the Legends list has a lot of wildly wacky cars.
But then the Traffic list is full of pretty stable cars mostly. So I figure it will even out...
Because I'm never going to do a session with just one list.
And like I would not put the Luxury & Legends in the same event.
It would be like "Traffic & Luxury" and "Low Power & Legends" or something like that.

 

[LongbowX]

You speak of Post 2. ALL HAIL POST 2

Well, the C4 Grand Sport is not a really known "great car". It handles nicely, good gearing. It's a fun car to drive, not necessarily a great car as on a "cheater/fast car" like the NSX Type R '02 perhaps.

I would recommend ramping up the difficulty during the event. Starting with the slower cars then working up to the faster ones. Perhaps. Your "examples" incorporated that idea anyway, I don't know if that was on purpose.

 

[daddyo845]

You speak of Post 2. ALL HAIL POST 2

Well, the C4 Grand Sport is not a really known "great car". It handles nicely, good gearing. It's a fun car to drive, not necessarily a great car as on a "cheater/fast car" like the NSX Type R '02 perhaps.

I would recommend ramping up the difficulty during the event. Starting with the slower cars then working up to the faster ones. Perhaps. Your "examples" incorporated that idea anyway, I don't know if that was on purpose.

Yeah and that way on school days I will be able to catch the faster cars at the end

 

[watermelon punch]

I had people saying we should do the faster cars first.
I figured I would just do what made sense at the time, frankly.
If I see a distinct pattern that one way makes for more enjoyable racing, then I would maybe stick with that. but it's too early to tell I think.


And yeah, Hail Post #2. lol

 

[watermelon punch]

I did another test of the Traffic list at Autumn Ring Mini.
I have 4 sets of times now.
Deep Forest
Tskuba
Autumn Ring
Autumn Ring Mini

Would help to have at least 2 more...
at some other tracks...
I'll take any track. But one with some nice straight bits or hilly bits would be good.
(Grand Valley East Reverse would be pperrrrrrfect. ^^)

 

[daddyo845]

I see what you hinting at watermelon. I'm sure longbow would be elated to help you

 

[LongbowX]

I am going to do them tomorrow, hopefully. I would do the top speeds of the Legends but I'm not sure I have time for both. I do find doing the top speeds relaxing, which is a shame.

 

[watermelon punch]

tongo said he can probably get some of the top speeds done. 👍
So that's diversifying the delegations a bit more.