Man accused of raping 2-year-old in park

[Lain]

I'm with Alex p. on this one. You've got to wonder how somebody could commit such an act? They're a messed up individual obviously, but how did they get that way? I highly doubt anybody was born with an irresistible urge to rape children.

Simply locking these people up and throwing away the key doesn't solve the problems in society that create these monsters.

 

[astrosdude91]

I think a lot of it stems from childhood. Many of these child molesters were often molested when they were children.

 

[mirial]

Warning: probably not readable for everyone.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41788137/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

No comment, such people deserve to be castrated IMO

I'm interested to see who on this forum gets offended by this punishment.

 

[Mr. S]

He needs to be put out with the general population (in jail). I'm sure he'll get his from the rest of his fellow inmates.

This.

What I really hate about this is that people always claim "Oh yeah, I've been abused." or "I can't do anything about it, I'm just like that and therefore not guilty.". Bollocks. You did what you did, now face the consequences.

I guess what such people would do if they'd have real problems, just like having cancer, being stuck in a wheel chair or just having diabetes (type 1 / type a, not the sucky other type that you get in exchange for munching on Big Macs and Donuts 24/7). Oh, that's making me so angry. They should just bring him to county jail for the time being.

 

[Alex p.]

I think a lot of it stems from childhood. Many of these child molesters were often molested when they were children.

This.

People still believe it is the right way to punish someone, thing is, it won't change anything.

 

[Dotini]

Back in the good olde days, certain kinds of offenders in England were drawn and quartered and the mangled body parts put on display in the 4 quarters of the realm to dissuade other offenders. Cromwell's head was on display at the end of a pike in London for years. Did these measures achieve their intended effect? In the colonies, Puritans dunked witches under water until they drowned and the demons were driven out. Back in the day, the Catholic Church would massacre whole populations of fellow Christians like the Cathars for the slightest heresy.

Today we live under a peculiar form of sexual schizophrenia. Easy sex is tolerated and encouraged by media. Every form of perversion and deviancy is tolerated and made into a cottage industry. Pre-teen girls are dressed up like whores by mass-marketeers. Yet prosecutors and the some of the public are up in arms over the antics of high profile offenders like Roman Polanski who had sex with an experienced consenting teenager, or Julian Assange who failed to use a condom during consensual sex or actually allowed his body weight to rest upon another consenting sexual partner.

Are the demons in the offenders, or are they within all of us?

 

[Dan_]

He doesn't deserve to live, plain and simple.

That's just horrific though.

We're not in position to judge that, in fact no one is but still, I agree with you.

I think a lot of it stems from childhood. Many of these child molesters were often molested when they were children.

Exactly this, however I find people who suffered abuse in childhood and then did the same in adult age weak-minded, there are numerous cases of people who were abused when children and grew up to be great persons ( a veterinarian, in the case I'm implicitly mentioning... ). I believe that the act might cause incorrigible shock and terrible psychological effects, but with adequate treatment and love from the parents they can overcome it and become great professionals, fathers or mothers...

I'm not justifying his act by any means, and I still think he should rot in jail for the rest of his miserable life, I was just making a point.

 

[Nicksfix]

This S of a B needs to be locked up in solitary confinement with "Big Bubba".

 

[Famine]

I'm interested to see who on this forum gets offended by this punishment.

I find myself curious what good it would do, apart from satisfy some bizarre, knee-jerk, physical response to crimes like these.

 

[Tonnie073]

I hate prople who do those kind of things, especially when you do it to someone who cant defend him/herself

Not that it is good to do at people who can defend theirselves.

 

[MatskiMonk]

So many things wrong about this... not just in what the man is accused of doing, but also in the behavior of the parents, and also the knee-jerk reaction of people to the news.

I do believe that things like this will happen more often over the next couple of generations because people take less responsibility for their actions, and in general society is going to 🤬 anyway.

Plot a graph of what is socially sexually acceptable by year or decade, there is something inevitable about this kind of thing.... Society is breeding more rapists than ever. Simple.

 

[Omnis]

How is it possible to rape a 2-year-old in a stroller? Why would you leave your baby with a stranger to go on an amusement park ride? What a bunch of idiots-- all of them!

 

[Lucas]

Just kill him...

 

[Roo]

This whole post is assuming the guy is guilty.

No comment, such people deserve to be castrated IMO

This isn't addressed to you directly, zedextreme8177, but to everyone.

If you like. He'll still have a desire to have sex with children; if I remember rightly, the bit of your brain that controls sexual attraction is right at the top of your spine, where the spinal cord meets the brain. Destroy that to kill the libido and you kill the person. Paedophilia is just another sexual perversion, a mental disorder; you can encourage a paedophile to control as best they can the urges by getting them to understand the effects their actions would have on a child, and the reactions of people around them if they found out, but you can't just stop a paedophile from desiring children any more than you can stop yourself from desiring women.

Try this for a day or two: don't think about sex at all. Don't look at pictures of women. If you're driving and you see a pretty lady, focus on the car in front (you should be doing this anyway ) and fight every urge you have to glance. Don't even think of sex, and if you do, try and think of something else. Don't even consider pleasuring yourself, because that would associate thoughts of sex with a physical feeling. That's what paedophiles and those of other sexual perversions have to deal with all the time. What suprises me when I hear stories like this isn't that someone raped a child/animal/drainpipe/whatever, but how many people exercise massive amounts of self control and don't. This guy's one of the weak ones. Don't get me wrong, he deserves all he gets, but at the end of the day all he's done is given in to his libido, just like other people do without a second thought. Unfortunately a child has suffered as a result.


In case anyone's wondering, I was working as a temp in the library of a university at the end of 2009 and read a story in a newspaper about a paedophile being convicted. I wondered why people do things like this, why sexual perversions exist, so I spent an instructive week of evenings reading up on the subject.

 

[Lain]

Good post, Roo. 👍

 

[Submerged]

Today we live under a peculiar form of sexual schizophrenia. Easy sex is tolerated and encouraged by media. Every form of perversion and deviancy is tolerated and made into a cottage industry. Pre-teen girls are dressed up like whores by mass-marketeers. Yet prosecutors and the some of the public are up in arms over the antics of high profile offenders like Roman Polanski who had sex with an experienced consenting teenager, or Julian Assange who failed to use a condom during consensual sex or actually allowed his body weight to rest upon another consenting sexual partner.

Are the demons in the offenders, or are they within all of us?

This I have noticed a lot. And often wonder why the hell the media focus on the "bad" or the "weak" part of the person (their legal vices, ie: sex games, gambling etc) and not on what the actual person has done in their job or what they have done for society as a whole (laws, helping others, running the business/country/whatever). It seems that once you are famous and/or rich, you are expected to have upstanding morals ALL the time and have no blemishes. We all are human. We cannot be like machines. We all have emotions and deep desires. We all have little (legal) vices. I cannot understand why, at times, the media and people focus so much on the "bad" (but human) parts of these people when they have shown that even with their vices, they still do a damn good job (for example, Tiger Woods womanising. He's still did it, but still managed to play high level golf for a long time).

With regards to Roo, I do agree in part with his post as it is a completely different way of being attracted to a person, based on either age or personality of the person show at that particular age itself.

I have a friend of mine who only likes white English girls. He's a mixed ethinicity, apparently half white and half Indian as I understand it. I've tried to make him understand why I like girls from other countries and different ethinicity. To him, these women provoke no desire whatsoever to him, at all. But introduce a gothic, emo white girl from England and he's all over that girl. Instantly. So, with Roo's post, I understand the points he is making.

 

[AOS-]

You guy might think I'm weird, but.... if you never tried something before, there's a first for everything.

 

[TB]

You guy might think I'm weird, but.... if you never tried something before, there's a first for everything.

So... because you've never done it before, raping a child is justified?

 

[TT3AZ]

What dumb asses to parent leaving their child to a stranger really. The question is, and an important one, should all parents be allowed to have kids? I certanly think many people shouldnt have kids because they cant take responsibility. But then again, not having kids is against the christian law and tradition right? So basicly, it was a white christian male that raped a child. Wonder how he interpreted the bible........

 

[Joel]

You guy might think I'm weird, but.... if you never tried something before, there's a first for everything.

Uhhmm, what? I really don't know what you're trying to say here...

 

[TB]

What dumb asses to parent leaving their child to a stranger really.

Did you read the article?

The victim’s mother said the only time she left her daughter with Grzybowicz was when she and her boyfriend went on an amusement ride. The four had spent the day at the amusement park.

They knew him enough (or at least thought they did) to leave their child with him.

 

[TT3AZ]

Uhhmm, what? I really don't know what you're trying to say here...

Maybe he meant that things like these (that arent socially acceptable) are nothing that people are used to. But if these things are practiced regularly, then people can change their mind and automaticly accept those things. Raping is wrong, but if you look at this from a psychological view, peoples minds change when things happen around them. It is a fact that males in the US that buy stuff to women, expect something in return from them, either by free will of by force. Doesnt that tell you anything about the sick mentality that people has? And that this things are getting more and more socially acceptable?

 

[Lain]

You guy might think I'm weird, but.... if you never tried something before, there's a first for everything.

Uh so... are you saying don't knock it until you try it?

 

[GT_Prologue5]

You guy might think I'm weird, but.... if you never tried something before, there's a first for everything.

Yeah, well I could go run down my street with a gun firing shots at peoples' windows and pets, and that would be the FIRST time I've done that, but I'd still get in trouble for it.

 

[TT3AZ]

Did you read the article?

They knew him enough (or at least thought they did) to leave their child with him.

Well, according to me, I dont consider them knowing him to well, and he is a stranger to them from my point of view. What can we learn from this? Well, not much actually because stuff like that happen all the time sad enough. But we can see that hard punishment and strict laws doesnt prevent things like that, because people doing this are sick and they give a rats ass about the consequences. They will probably hang themselves in prison because they have droped the soap one time to much. But on the other hand, law enforcement people and soldiers of the US do this things aswell in war, but they walk free, strange isnt it?

 

[TT3AZ]

Yeah, well I could go run down my street with a gun firing shots at peoples' windows and pets, and that would be the FIRST time I've done that, but I'd still get in trouble for it.

Not if you were an police officer and claimed that the persons you shoot was illegal aliens.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

But we can see that hard punishment and strict laws doesnt prevent things like that, because people doing this are sick and they give a rats ass about the consequences.

That's not true. It's a mental disorder, not a judgement based on disobedience. As a human, I have one class of women I find extremely attractive (kinda gothic, skinny, etc.) and I truthfully can't help that despite criticism. To these insane people, it's right, but society is the judgement of all things right and wrong, therefore putting him in the wrong. He knows of the consequence (as do I when I'm attracted to people) but he can't control himself. He deserves punishment, but it will never set him right.

 

[blaaah]

I wonder why it doesn't say how he got caught?
I also take issue with this crass statement by Seaworld:

["Nothing is more important than the safety and welfare of our guests, and our team members are trained to report any kind of suspicious behaviour. Illegal behaviour of any type is not tolerated at our parks. Our thoughts are with the family at this very difficult time."]

It might be he was observed by staff?
And I despair at the statement which suggests it might be normal for other business to tolerate illegal behaviour. And their statement also alienates their staff which according to Seaworld are second class citizens not deserving of as much welfare care. Press PR statements....

 

[Joel]

Maybe he meant that things like these (that arent socially acceptable) are nothing that people are used to. But if these things are practiced regularly, then people can change their mind and automaticly accept those things. Raping is wrong, but if you look at this from a psychological view, peoples minds change when things happen around them. It is a fact that males in the US that buy stuff to women, expect something in return from them, either by free will of by force. Doesnt that tell you anything about the sick mentality that people has? And that this things are getting more and more socially acceptable?

Rape is wrong, bottom line. It's massively violating the other person's rights, and whether or not rape is prevalent doesn't matter at all.

Sexual practices have been getting more and more socially acceptable, and that's OK, as long as people's rights aren't being violated. Homosexuality is OK because nobody's rights are violated. Bondage and other violent sex acts are OK, as long as the parties have consented and the "victim" is free to leave when he or she wishes. Anal and oral sex is OK too, no rights violations. The difference with rape is the factor of consent. Nobody consents to rape, and that's why it's wrong. Just because something is prevalent doesn't mean it's ok.

The social roles played by men and women (man= breadwinner, woman= housewife), are a far cry from rape. And just look at what's happened in the last 50 years or so, more and more women are working, more often than not now both parents (assuming they're together) have a job, and the gender roles are beginning to blur. I think there's a certain point that things can get to, but I can't see rape becoming a common or socially acceptable thing in the western world any time soon.

 

[blaaah]

Rape is wrong, bottom line. It's massively violating the other person's rights, and whether or not rape is prevalent doesn't matter at all.

Sexual practices have been getting more and more socially acceptable, and that's OK, as long as people's rights aren't being violated. Homosexuality is OK because nobody's rights are violated. Bondage and other violent sex acts are OK, as long as the parties have consented and the "victim" is free to leave when he or she wishes. Anal and oral sex is OK too, no rights violations. The difference with rape is the factor of consent. Nobody consents to rape, and that's why it's wrong. Just because something is prevalent doesn't mean it's ok.

The social roles played by men and women (man= breadwinner, woman= housewife), are a far cry from rape. And just look at what's happened in the last 50 years or so, more and more women are working, more often than not now both parents (assuming they're together) have a job, and the gender roles are beginning to blur. I think there's a certain point that things can get to, but I can't see rape becoming a common or socially acceptable thing in the western world any time soon.

Rape can not be classed as wrong, it's illegal and if the word is used correctly meaning consent was not given then it would be an abuse of the person being raped. Neither law or abuse make something "wrong". "Wrong" is just an opinion or moral observation of an individual, which may or may not be shared. In the same way murder or stealing is not wrong.

.........
Anyway I found the Daily Mail article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360920/Man-raped-year-old-girl-Sea-World-saved-pictures-phone.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I like how they have merged the story with another, can you see what they are trying to do? It's a story inferring anything in public for children's entertainment is dangerous and has sexual predators lurking around. I also note the picture of the dark skinned man is a lot bigger than the light skinned man. Which may or may not be deliberate but inevitably causes subconscious processes.