Man accused of raping 2-year-old in park

[Joel]

Rape can not be classed as wrong, it's illegal and if the word is used correctly meaning consent was not given then it would be an abuse of the person being raped. Neither law or abuse make something "wrong". "Wrong" is just an opinion or moral observation of an individual, which may or may not be shared. In the same way murder or stealing is not wrong.

That's completely untrue. Rape is wrong, that's all there is to it. Everyone has a right to their own body (I don't give a damn what the law says), and rape is just about the biggest violation to someone's right to their body besides killing them. That's not my opinion, it's not an opinion at all. Rape is wrong, and I don't see how you could ever possibly say it's not wrong. If actions violate people's rights, then they are morally wrong, and I don't have any problem with judging rape as "wrong".

 

[blaaah]

I'm not saying you are incorrect to judge that rape is wrong, but that is your judgement only, you can't say everyone else will have the same judgement. And even if everyone else 100% of the world agreed it was "wrong", that still doesn't make it actually wrong.
Also you are incorrect to say everyone has a right to their own body, again that is your judgement only. I could equally counter by just saying nobody has a right to their own body.
It is only your opinion I'm afraid, but it is shared by a great deal of people.

It's fine to give personal views, as long as you realise they are your views and not some magic rule that the universe runs by.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

Rape can not be classed as wrong, it's illegal and if the word is used correctly meaning consent was not given then it would be an abuse of the person being raped. Neither law or abuse make something "wrong". "Wrong" is just an opinion or moral observation of an individual, which may or may not be shared. In the same way murder or stealing is not wrong.

I don't get where you get this idea from what was quoted. Rape is just wrong. If you say it isn't wrong, then you must think it's right, which is wrong. How can't rape be wrong? It's completely wrong to violate someone sexually. Rape is only when consent is not given, and if you're going to have sex with someone when they said no, it's violating them, the law, and it's plain wrong. You can't escape what society thinks about what's right and wrong, blaaaah.

Also you are incorrect to say everyone has a right to their own body, again that is your judgement only. I could equally counter by just saying nobody has a right to their own body.

So if a person comes in my house to sexually assault someone in my family, they can not defend their body and must deal with whatever happens? Pah. That's sheer nonsense.

I think the problem is is that you must contest all views, blaaah, instead of standing and believing in your own. Simply put, do you think rape is right or wrong? There is no maybe.

 

[Joel]

I'm not saying you are incorrect to judge that rape is wrong, but that is your judgement only, you can't say everyone else will have the same judgement. And even if everyone else 100% of the world agreed it was "wrong", that still doesn't make it actually wrong.
Also you are incorrect to say everyone has a right to their own body, again that is your judgement only. I could equally counter by just saying nobody has a right to their own body.
It is only your opinion I'm afraid, but it is shared by a great deal of people.

It's fine to give personal views, as long as you realise they are your views and not some magic rule that the universe runs by.

Explain to me in any way whatsoever how rape can be objectively justified. Subjective views are not important, if some dumbass thinks rape is OK, that doesn't mean it is, that just means they're a dumbass. Also, explain to me how nobody has a right to their own body.


Just because there's a difference in opinion doesn't mean there's no right answer. I'm sure there's some people who still believe the Earth is flat. Does that mean I'm wrong to say that it's round? No, it just means they're idiots. Same thing here, just because there's probably some people who think rape is OK, that doesn't mean it can ever be justified, it just means anyone who thinks rape is OK has severe psychological issues.

 

[blaaah]

That's completely untrue. Rape is wrong, that's all there is to it. Everyone has a right to their own body (I don't give a damn what the law says), and rape is just about the biggest violation to someone's right to their body besides killing them. That's not my opinion, it's not an opinion at all. Rape is wrong, and I don't see how you could ever possibly say it's wrong. If actions violate people's rights, then they are morally wrong, and I don't have any problem with judging rape as "wrong".

You said it, what society thinks what is right and wrong. It's just a thought, a view, and you say society, a majority perhaps, who knows. It's just some peoples view and a law to back up the moral view on behalf of society.
I guess what I wanted to point out was the difference between personal feelings and nature/life. I'm not saying it's not wrong, so must be right. but no wrong, no right outright. Fact, just is. It's open to interpretation and can only ever be.
But if you want me to agree to the fact that it is currently morally wrong in today's society then of course I agree. But that is said on the basis of peoples thinking and opinions. It's not at outright everlasting fact of nature.

 

[Lain]

I understand where blaaah is coming from, and agree. Humans near-unanimously agree rape is wrong, but that doesn't make it so. There's no such thing as "absolutely" wrong.

And also there's the issue of just exactly how wrong is it? Today, a lot of people consider rape a worse crime than murder. Is that the way rape has always been viewed? I doubt it. Kind of like how some things have become "politically incorrect" that used to not be, I can imagine there might've been a time where rape wasn't really viewed as wrong except by the victims.

 

[blaaah]

Explain to me in any way whatsoever how rape can be objectively justified. Subjective views are not important, if some dumbass thinks rape is OK, that doesn't mean it is, that just means they're a dumbass. Also, explain to me how nobody has a right to their own body.


Just because there's a difference in opinion doesn't mean there's no right answer. I'm sure there's some people who still believe the Earth is flat. Does that mean I'm wrong to say that it's round? No, it just means they're idiots. Same thing here, just because there's probably some people who think rape is OK, that doesn't mean it can ever be justified, it just means anyone who thinks rape is OK has severe psychological issues.

You can justify rape simply by desiring it. If someone thought to themselves "I like rape". That justifies the rightness of rape, a positive thought, an existence of an opinion that it is a good thing to happen for the person who does it, the victim is irrelevant to the existence of the positive thought.
But i'm almost catching myself out there by bringing feelings into it. So easy to do when one shouldn't.
You are confusing facts with feelings.
My point is that it's not universally correct for any of us to decide whether it is right or wrong.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

You can justify rape simply by desiring it. If someone thought to themselves "I like rape". That justifies the rightness of rape, a positive thought, an existence of an opinion that it is a good thing to happen for the person who does it, the victim is irrelevant to the existence of the positive thought.
You are confusing facts with feelings.

If the person wants to be raped then it's justified and no longer rape. They want it. They get it. It becomes sex, not rape. If a person likes rape, it doesn't mean that what they say means others need to know. Besides, you seem to take the idea of everyone's mind without the opinion of your own.

BTW, this is getting really off-topic.

 

[Joel]

You can justify rape simply by desiring it. If someone thought to themselves "I like rape". That justifies the rightness of rape, a positive thought, an existence of an opinion that it is a good thing to happen for the person who does it, the victim is irrelevant to the existence of the positive thought.
But i'm almost catching myself out there by bringing feelings into it. So easy to do when one shouldn't.
You are confusing facts with feelings.
My point is that it's not universally correct for any of us to decide whether it is right or wrong.

So if this guy says he liked raping the 2 year old, it makes it right?


EDIT: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77925 This is probably a better thread to take this discussion to.

 

[blaaah]

If the person wants to be raped then it's justified and no longer rape. They want it. They get it. It becomes sex, not rape. If a person likes rape, it doesn't mean that what they say means others need to know. Besides, you seem to take the idea of everyone's mind without the opinion of your own.

BTW, this is getting really off-topic.

No you misread my intention. I meant the man who rapes desires it, the victim is being raped she does not give consent. I'm saying it's possible to justify rape just because someone exists who wants to rape and thinks that it is good. But I didnt want to stray too much onto feelings. When you can just look at it from a distance and make no statement on justice whatsoever. There is no such thing as absolute justice/judgement on it.

So if this guy says he liked raping the 2 year old, it makes it right?


EDIT: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77925 This is probably a better thread to take this discussion to.

Yes. Right for him. Therefore making a universal imbalance on judgement, which means it can never be called right or wrong. But as I have already said, even if everybody including him thought it was wrong. It still can't be judged as wrong. Impossible philosophical debate.

 

[Joel]

Yes. Right for him. Therefore making a universal imbalance on judgement, which means it can never be called right or wrong.

OK, but what about my prior example of people who think the Earth is flat? Does that still mean I can't say it's round?

(INB4 "the earth isn't perfectly round")

 

[blaaah]

OK, but what about my prior example of people who think the Earth is flat? Does that still mean I can't say it's round?

(Inb4 "the earth isn't perfectly round)

You are comparing science to thought morality, completely different.

To put it into the frame of reference of flat or round Earth, the question would be, is it wrong that someone thinks the earth is flat? (not whether they are wrong of the actual flatness or roundness of the Earth) The answer is no it's not wrong because that person can think whatever they like, there is no law of physics preventing a person to believe or think of the Earth as flat. The debate is of the thought existing not of the science of the Earth being flat or round.
Saying rape is "wrong" is a thought value, it can't be proven or tested or observed in any way with mathematics to come to a judgement or an equation of proof.
To think that rape is wrong is to assume that rape is either round or flat, but there is no shape to rape, it's just rape it can't be given an answer.
As there is no proper question.
Maybe that's where we are leading to , "Is rape right or wrong?" is not a question that can be answered without a reason. Not even a supercomputer could work it out.

 

[a6m5]

First of all, regarding this incident, I haven't read a thing about it. Just the title of this thread made me feel sick. I don't think I want to read the actual report.

This whole post is assuming the guy is guilty.



This isn't addressed to you directly, zedextreme8177, but to everyone.

If you like. He'll still have a desire to have sex with children; if I remember rightly, the bit of your brain that controls sexual attraction is right at the top of your spine, where the spinal cord meets the brain. Destroy that to kill the libido and you kill the person. Paedophilia is just another sexual perversion, a mental disorder; you can encourage a paedophile to control as best they can the urges by getting them to understand the effects their actions would have on a child, and the reactions of people around them if they found out, but you can't just stop a paedophile from desiring children any more than you can stop yourself from desiring women.

Try this for a day or two: don't think about sex at all. Don't look at pictures of women. If you're driving and you see a pretty lady, focus on the car in front (you should be doing this anyway ) and fight every urge you have to glance. Don't even think of sex, and if you do, try and think of something else. Don't even consider pleasuring yourself, because that would associate thoughts of sex with a physical feeling. That's what paedophiles and those of other sexual perversions have to deal with all the time. What suprises me when I hear stories like this isn't that someone raped a child/animal/drainpipe/whatever, but how many people exercise massive amounts of self control and don't. This guy's one of the weak ones. Don't get me wrong, he deserves all he gets, but at the end of the day all he's done is given in to his libido, just like other people do without a second thought. Unfortunately a child has suffered as a result.


In case anyone's wondering, I was working as a temp in the library of a university at the end of 2009 and read a story in a newspaper about a paedophile being convicted. I wondered why people do things like this, why sexual perversions exist, so I spent an instructive week of evenings reading up on the subject.

As unfortunate as it is, your quote, "Destroy that to kill the libido and you kill the person." sounds like an awesome deal to me. In my view, if your mental illness forces you to rape ............really, anybody, it would be an excellent policy to put them out of their misery. My opinion.

I guess we aren't seeing eye-to-eye on this, but thanks anyways for your post. Excellent post, very informative as well. 👍

Edit: About molesters being a former victim of child molestation themselves. Recently, someone I knew well was hauled away by Homeland Security & FBI for this crime. Another person I know, he got in this man's gmail(google email). Turns out the email was on auto log-in, password saved on the computer & everything. In the email, you guessed it, he wrote to someone about how he was molested as a child, and that got him interested in this type of behavior.

 

[drivehard]

Way back when the Pope and his crew didn't have to hide the fact they liked little boys, they would castrate young children in order to make them sing at a higher pitch. Arranged marriges between older men and children were very common way back in the 1990's in lets say: India. Most likely the same for right now in other countries around the world. In Africa young boys are trained like soldiers in order mercilessly kill; an act that is as violating to ones innocence as sexual abuse. In my opinion anyway. Not to mention human slave trading which is very real and horrific.

We are somewhat lucky to be able to react as vehemently as we do. We are also somewhat naive.

And I am not a child molestor, nazi, rapist, etc. So I really don't know if the proper way to deal with this problem is by psychological treatment or what my instincts would suggest: life in prison or death.

 

[AOS-]

haha I forgot about this thread.

No no TB,I didn't say it was justified. Why in the world would I suppose this guy... I was playing Devil's Advocate...

to avoid any mislead people, let's forget that a man raped someone altogether...

If you never done something before, you wouldn't be curious about what the experience is like?

For example, If you never tried a certain food before, wouldn't you be curious to try it or wonder what it tastes like?
Never been on a roller coaster or played a video game before? Wouldn't you want to try it?

 

[Pupik]

^ Maybe you should just edit your post and back away for the day. You're starting to creep me out.

 

[Luminis]

After being in a relationship with a rape victim for two years and experiencing just how much something like this can 🤬 someone's life over first hand, I can't and won't feel any simpathy for rapists.
I don't care why they do it, and don't care what they went through, I simply don't give a 🤬 about whatever excuse they may come up with themselves or society makes up for them.

In my opinion, such a person should have their human rights revoked. Sexual urges and whatnot, I don't give a 🤬 damn. I'm usually pretty leid back, but this kind of stuff makes me so 🤬 sick that I can't help it at all.
If it's been proven that that guy's guilty, just waste him.

Or better yet, give him to the parents and allow them to have their way with him.

Seriously, if someone was to do that to my current girlfriend (and I knew who it was), let alone a child I might have at some point in my life... Well, I guess the crime I'd be commiting wouldn't be any less sickening to most people.