Manhunt in SoCal, suspect is surrounded in a cabin, two officers down.

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I think I shall stay inside. Magnolia is only 5 minute walk away, and the cops are walking outside with their guns drawn >.>;
 
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I'm more by the Irvine area.( Which by the way had the lowest crime rate in a city in America over 150,000 residents in the past 8 years.) This is pretty scary but nobody comes over here. Especially when you live in a gated community like I do. Prayers and condolences go out to all the wounded and shot.
 
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The epidemic has begun...this is going to happen more and more frequently, disgruntled or mentally ill people taking out their frustrations by shooting random people or targeting the perceived causes of their misery...it's a sad state of affairs. No idea what the answer might be.
 
Uh, why is that again?

Simply put, monkey see, monkey do. The more you see something the more likely it is to be imitated, even murder. The more attention it gets, the more normal it becomes. Mainstream media is consumed by this type of shock/tragedy reporting. When one of these events happens it gets hours and hours and hours of coverage. There are thousands of people sitting at home who can identify with someone with a grudge taking a few people out with a gun or bomb. You see something often enough in the media it becomes the norm. 20 years ago, you saw something on tv about a mass shooting and it was horrific but you thought it was the exception, not the norm. Sooner or later, it happens often enough, it's not unusual anymore. Guy takes out a couple of cops and it gets to be no big deal, you have to get into double figures before people really start paying attention now.

I'll give you an example from my own life. I have a close friend who lives in a small town of about 7,000. She's a mom with a 17 year old daughter. In Canada we don't publicize suicides but I think many people are aware that in recent years it's become more and more frequent that teenagers make youtube videos before they commit suicide. In the past 2 school years, her daughter has been to 4 funerals from her high school of kids that have committed suicide. Her own boyfriend committed suicide nearly a year ago after they broke up for the last time. It's become the norm in that small town amongst a group of kids, for their own reasons, to use suicide as the last option to relieve their pain. To the best of my friends recollection, she can't recall any teenager ever taking their own life in that town prior to the last two years.

I think it's because when you see others doing it, it all of a sudden becomes acceptable for you to consider it. Just like with mass shootings. See it often enough and some people think, "wow, I get it, I'd like to take a gun and pop half my office too". Monkey see, monkey do.
 
This kind of behavior has been going on for decades, including the TV coverage. Remember OJ in his Bronco in '94? I don't see a large increase in this kind of behavior.
 
Apparently the (lawful) cops have shot two innocent people in two different shootings when the people were in cars similar to the one of the shooter.

Are you ******* kidding me?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

God help anyone with a Nissan truck in LA.

Edit: How do you do that? How do you confuse two women delivering mail with a large black male? How do you decide to open fire on that? What possible action could these women have done that made them appear to be a large black man and would give police reasonable justification to open fire?
 
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How do you do that? How do you confuse two women delivering mail with a large black male? How do you decide to open fire on that? What possible action could these women have done that made them appear to be a large black man and would give police reasonable justification to open fire?
The LAPD is trying to deal with a cop killer who happens to be a killer cop. They were assigned to a protective details for one of the people named by Dorner as a target, so they probably decided to shoot first and ask questions later - which is the problem.
 
The LAPD is trying to deal with a cop killer who happens to be a killer cop. They were assigned to a protective details for one of the people named by Dorner as a target, so they probably decided to shoot first and ask questions later - which is the problem.

I agree, I was expressing my bewilderment at adopting such a policy as police officers. Had events gone even slightly differently in these two shootings, the LAPD would have ended up killing more people than the man they are trying to apprehend.
 
From what I understand, the incident in Torrance happened in the early hours of the morning, and the truck driven by the women did not have its lights on. With everyone on edge, two police wounded and one killed in two separate ambushes earlier that night, and the officers assigned to protect someone Dorner allegedly named as one of his specific targets, the sight of a truck matching descriptions of his vehicle and driving without lights was probably all the provocation those officers needed to open fire.
 
I still think it's inexcusable for them to just open fire without at least trying to pull it over and asking the occupants to exit the vehicle. There's proper procedure for something like this rather than opening fire on a vehicle you have no idea who's driving it.

My family used to deliver papers early in the morning and it was common courtesy to drive with at least your parking lights on so that your headlights don't disturb people sleeping.
 
I still think it's inexcusable for them to just open fire without at least trying to pull it over and asking the occupants to exit the vehicle. There's proper procedure for something like this rather than opening fire on a vehicle you have no idea who's driving it.
And the last time the LAPD followed that procedure, one officer was killed and the other hospitalised with a bullet wound.

I'm no saying it's excusable, but that you can at least understand why they were inclined to act the way they did.
 
I honestly disagree. And I'm sure the ladies that were fired on and their families won't agree either. I expect to hear about a lawsuit any day now.
 
I understand why they acted the way they did. I'd like to review what they were faced with.

  • A city of 4 million people.
  • A city with 2.5 million cars.
  • The truck they were looking for was a Nissan Titan.
  • The truck they found was a Toyota Tacoma.
  • The person they were looking for was a 270lb 6'1 black male.
  • The people they found were two women.
  • Even if they had found the man they were looking for, they would not be justified in opening fire unless he was making actions that were putting innocent lives in danger.

They had the "take no chances" mentality even when confronted with infinitesimally small odds and multiple clues to the fact that they were looking at the wrong person, they opened fire. This mentality and the results of it are completely unacceptable and inexcusable. The woman who was shot in the back will likely have a lifetime of pain and disability.
 
I honestly disagree.
Hindsight doesn't really count for much. It's pretty obvious that the officers involved made a decisions based on all of the available information. They could have flagged down the vehicle and checked it out properly, but the last time the police did that, it ended pretty poorly. In their position, I doubt you would have acted all that differently.
 
In their position, I doubt you would have acted all that differently.

I can assure you with 100% confidence that my actions would have been very different.

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For starters I can identify the difference between a Nissan Titan and a ****ing Toyota Tacoma...
 
I can assure you with 100% confidence that my actions would have been very different.

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For starters I can identify the difference between a Nissan Titan and a ****ing Toyota Tacoma...

^^^ All of this x1 million.
 
It is also worth noting how prominently the word "TACOMA" is displayed on the rear of the vehicle, the angle from which the officers were shooting from.

Reminds me of someone.

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SUPPRESSING FIIIIIIRE!
 
Hindsight doesn't really count for much. It's pretty obvious that the officers involved made a decisions based on all of the available information. They could have flagged down the vehicle and checked it out properly, but the last time the police did that, it ended pretty poorly. In their position, I doubt you would have acted all that differently.

I would've made sure I wasn't shooting the wrong people. Despite how things may go wrong, that is part of what they sign on for when they become officers. There is no excuse for their behavior, at all.
 
In the dark? At a distance? When the car doesn't have its lights on?

Somebody has been eating all of his carrots ...
 
In the dark? At a distance? When the car doesn't have its lights on?

Somebody has been eating all of his carrots ...

Not sure about your police, but most US police cars have a blinding spotlight attached to it somewhere. You can see anything with it. I'm going to guess it wasn't used in this case.
 
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