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Manhunt in SoCal, suspect is surrounded in a cabin, two officers down.
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Zenith
This is the same LAPD that claimed a clocked Rodney King at over 100 mph in his Hyundai Excel. Triple digit speeds?
Great, now this troublemaker is created more troublemakers. Hopefully, this is a one-off knee-jerk reaction...a sad one at that.
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I read something last night about something this guy said, like he was killing the officers because they were no different then during the Rodney King days.
Honestly I'd be more scared of the cops than the man at this point. The cops fired on those two pickups, while this dude is targeting police officers.
This is getting pretty out of hand.
Honestly I'd be more scared of the cops than the man at this point. The cops fired on those two pickups, while this dude is targeting police officers.
This is getting pretty out of hand.
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The LAPD has some insane officers with blood in their eyes, very scary stuff. Those officers acted like thugs and were supposed to be security detail to their assigned escort, not cavalry in a warzone. They should be prosecuted as civilians since they weren't in uniform, not just go through the rounds and get paid-leave. Sickening how they decided to set up the security. No matter what the circumstances are, you don't shoot first in a city like this. They don't even do that (well, they're not supposed to, even though this does happen of course) in Afghanistan! There's this thing called rules of engagement. These guys would've been in trouble even if they were soldiers in a warzone. But here, even though they acted worse, are, " just doing their jobs."
But the worse part is that the department can supposedly quell all of this drama and suffering themselves, but it seems they're choosing not to in some insane effort to try and keep their heads above the water.
Officer Theresa - the one who kicked the mentally ill person under arrest which led to him being fired for whistleblowing as he says in his manifesto - hasn't come forward and admitted guilt?
He says he will stop killing people if she comes clean.
Does this not speak volumes about our society and our police force that instead of simply coming out on a cover up, they'd rather let their own officers continue to be killed and waste infinite resources trying to kill the man as well?
It's insane!
And I don't want Dorner to "win" or anything either, 'cause he's not just going after the cops but has killed that young couple simply for being related to one of his targets!
Such undeniably righteous intentions yet such horribly unfortunate means. His cause needs to prevail, but he needs to lose.
Here's a wrap up I posted on my Facebook for you guys to have more information on the matter:
But the worse part is that the department can supposedly quell all of this drama and suffering themselves, but it seems they're choosing not to in some insane effort to try and keep their heads above the water.
Officer Theresa - the one who kicked the mentally ill person under arrest which led to him being fired for whistleblowing as he says in his manifesto - hasn't come forward and admitted guilt?
He says he will stop killing people if she comes clean.
Does this not speak volumes about our society and our police force that instead of simply coming out on a cover up, they'd rather let their own officers continue to be killed and waste infinite resources trying to kill the man as well?
It's insane!
And I don't want Dorner to "win" or anything either, 'cause he's not just going after the cops but has killed that young couple simply for being related to one of his targets!
Such undeniably righteous intentions yet such horribly unfortunate means. His cause needs to prevail, but he needs to lose.
Here's a wrap up I posted on my Facebook for you guys to have more information on the matter:
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The truck isn't the issue here. The issue is that the police went against typical police training and had no legitimate reason to open fire. They ****ed up, you can't argue against that. This little debate right here is pathetic. They should be terminated immediately for acting upon a falsely identified suspect and charged with manslaughter if not murder because they at least thought they were doing right.
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And you're operating under the faulty assumption that it actually matters. If they didn't have the time to make the proper decision to unload their weapons on the back of a car, they shouldn't have done it. That's all there is to it.
It doesn't matter whether or not they identified the truck correctly (which doesn't make you assertion that they wouldn't be able to tell the differences as trained police officers any less silly, for the record. There are hundreds of thousands of trucks in LA that could look like a Nissan Titan at a glance, but you sure as hell better make sure before you let loose rounds at one). It doesn't matter whether or not they thought they identified the 6'1" suspect as being two young girls. It doesn't even matter whether it was actually him when they started plugging the thing.
You do NOT shoot at a suspect the second you think you see him; and only after you've riddled him with bullets take the time to see if it was actually him and if lethal force was necessary at the time of the shooting afterwards.
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You act like all cops are perfect people. News flash - they're not.
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I have to agree with this; it wasn't really smart police-work for sure. However while hesitant to impose moral judgements right now on the situation I am more concerned with the way history will play out. Everything evolves from what came before - and now this particular 'Rambo' (I'm stretching the metaphor - not judging this ex-cop) has access to more than a knife and dead owl. He has social media, newsmedia, possible access to various types of weaponry (2nd Amendment or not), he may have prepared for this, he's skilled, he could have stock-piled his survival arsenal . . . what will happen is only limited to his imagination. And the technology he lays his hands on.
The hype linking this to Rodney King/Beltway Sniper, etc, etc, is only because, yes, history does repeat itself. Tweaked.
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Crazy story, hope no more inocent people get hurt, either by this guy on the run or from the police 
What would happen if his accusation of corruption in the LAPD turns out to be true? Will it justify his actions in anyway? Or is the fact he has gone on a murdering rampage of the people in the LAPD he thought were corrupt removed any chance of his accusations being investigated?
What would happen if his accusation of corruption in the LAPD turns out to be true? Will it justify his actions in anyway? Or is the fact he has gone on a murdering rampage of the people in the LAPD he thought were corrupt removed any chance of his accusations being investigated?
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At least Chicago Police will take bribes instead of shooting you.
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Trying to demonstrate that, however unjustified the officers' actions may have been, if you take away the uniform, you can understand why the person underneath reacted the way they did.
It's all well and good for people like Zenith to sit there and claim that they would have done something different and avoided shooting two civilians. But fortunately for him, he'll never have to prove it. He'll never be in the same situation as those two police officers, but he's happy to take the moral high road and claim that he knows with absolute certainty that he'd act differently. Personally, I doubt it. If two trained and established officers of the law could make that mistake, anyone could. Just yesterday, Zenith - one of the strongest supporters of gun ownership ont he forums - misread proposed California gun laws. Now, that is by no means intended as a swipe at him. I'm just pointing out that he made a tiny error in regards to a subject he is knowledgable about (we all do it; I was sure the McLaren MP4-28 didn't have a stepped nose with vanity panel, but was proven wrong). But at the same time, he says that he knows he would have done something different in this situation and avoided the outcome.
I just think that far too many people are being far too quick to unilaterally condemn the actions of the officers involved, when the truth is that none of us are involved in it, and so we have no appreciation for the tension of the situation. After all, Dorner is a highly-trained former officer and marksman who has named people he intends to murder - the LAPD is not going to put a pair of recently-graduated officers on a protection detail for one of those people.
I'm just saying that before you condemn what happened, we should all take a moment to appreciate why the officers acted the way they did. They are, after all, human beings.
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Personally I put a different level of care into reading proposed legislation than I do into deciding whether or not I want to shoot someone.
Clackamas Mall, civilian holds fire out of fear of hitting bystanders.
Gabrielle Giffords shooting, civilian holds fire out of fear of hitting bystanders.
These two guys were faced with a direct threat, not a potential one.
Funny, I thought people like me (gun owning civilians) were unable to exercise caution.
Maybe, just maybe these cops were two trigger happy idiots. Maybe those of us with a shred of discretion would be sure a list of crucial conditions was met before we attempt to kill another human being.
Clackamas Mall, civilian holds fire out of fear of hitting bystanders.
Gabrielle Giffords shooting, civilian holds fire out of fear of hitting bystanders.
These two guys were faced with a direct threat, not a potential one.
Funny, I thought people like me (gun owning civilians) were unable to exercise caution.
Maybe, just maybe these cops were two trigger happy idiots. Maybe those of us with a shred of discretion would be sure a list of crucial conditions was met before we attempt to kill another human being.
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Yes, they are. But they are trained police officers, they have the power to kill with relative ease. It's one thing if a baker sneaks a loaf of bread from work to feed his family, it's another to start firing a gun into the side of a truck. You can't just lump them together and say humans make mistakes. One mistake costs an owner a buck or two the other can end a life.
That's what I think you are missing, it's the fact these are cops that make it such a bad situation, they are the ones that are supposed to be able to cope with these situations in a rational matter, not your average citizen.
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About as many as there have always been, most just don't make national news.
The fact is you are continually trying to excuse their actions as just being human. You've not said anything new, nor really validated your point beyond "they're human, they make mistakes, you'd do the same." It is, at best, a poor argument, and really more of straw man tactic.
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Cops Sentenced... Paid Administrative Leave
This cop killer has some serious points. This police department is seriously corrupt. I know they've had a history but I didn't think it was that bad still...
Killing them isn't the best way, but sometimes bullets change faster than words ever will...
This cop killer has some serious points. This police department is seriously corrupt. I know they've had a history but I didn't think it was that bad still...
Killing them isn't the best way, but sometimes bullets change faster than words ever will...
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One of the manifesto's statements from Dorner proven ... paid leave for harming citizen without cause ...
Tax payers money gone to the drain ...paying for the cops leave, psychiatric treatments ...
Tax payers money gone to the drain ...paying for the cops leave, psychiatric treatments ...
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I don't know, maybe because it's never happened before, there's no procedure on how to handle it.What does that have to do with making rational decisions?
And maybe the LAPD figured that, with the severity of the situation, they weren't going to put "two trigger happy idiots" in charge of protecting one of the people the suspect named as one of his targets.
Do you know what the definition of "matches the description of the suspect's vehicle" actually is?
Do you want to see appalling behaviour?
Because I can show you appalling behaviour if you want:
Yes, you read that right. There is currently a small group of Wikipedia users who are trying to hijack the article on the shootings and the article on the suspect and use them to portray him as some kind of folk hero by comparing him to Batman.
And you think my behaviour is "appalling" because I don't instantly condemn the police involved in the shooting, and instead say I understand why they acted the way they did, however unjustified those actions were.
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Manhunts never happen?
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Paid administrative leave?! Well, that certainly puts some weight on the things said in this nutballs manifesto.. Seriously, those guys should've been fired permanently on spot with black mark.
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I do, Nissan Titan can be easily pick apart from a Tacoma from the rear, see the huge Nissan badge from the picture I posted earler, Tacoma does not have one.
If the cops, often do street patrol, they should have ample experience to know what brand or model truck from behind, even in early morning. At least know that Nissan Titan have unique rear cargo door with big Nissan badge unlike any other truck.
The cops were too hasty to make decision to open fire without confirming if the vehicle does match or not and whether the occupant indeed match the suspect description. The pick up truck they were shooting at is no where near close to the suspect's vehicles description ( different model and color ). If it did match to their eyes, then the cops would have shot at any dark color truck they met on the street. Oh, they did, 2 blocks away ...
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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Police-Who-Shot-Women-Mistaken-ID-Leave-190413671.html
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