Mark Webber: retires from F1 after '13, joining Porsche LMP1 next year

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Vettel would outrun Alonso every time. Then Alonso would start whining about how he's not the #1 driver on the team. Seriously, I can't see that working.

ROFLMAO...oh I haven't had such a good laugh today. :lol:


It was sorta inevitable, like Prost V. Senna. Prost being Webber, he just got fed up of the upstart.

Have to be honest, that's a terrible analogy. But all this news is yet another reason to be going off to LM24 next year....👍
 
Prost V. Senna ended up with Prost leaving F1 being sick of Senna.

The analogy is actually quite good.

And Alonso is at his peak, Seb isn't. And he's still won more championships.
 
Thought this was humorous:

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AH! I see what they did there *coughcauseitistruecough*

If this is true, we'll get to see Mark at Le Mans.[/QUOTE]

We've seen him there before...he did something epic in a Mercedes

Well, that's even better news to me that he'll be racing in an LMP1, rather than a GT car. He'll actually be racing for the lead of the race, challenging the likes of Audi, Toyota and Rebellion. 👍

Not sure if you are a long time Prototype or Sports car fan but the cars that Webber drove were the top of the pack GT1 use to be the fastest cars at one point during Le Mans, hence the beloved Toyota GT One (TS020) and the 911 GT1 and the list goes on a bit more. Webber isn't new to being at the front with a highly quick Le Mans car and the F1 experience since them should make him even better. Porsche are clearly serious about winning in their first year and this could have easily been surmised without the Webber signing. Now I have to go to a Sport Car race in the States to get his auto-graph darn...
I hope he hasn't made this kind of decision based on the past few weeks. He might not be having the best of luck recently, but that could change throughout the year. He'd be giving up his career in Formula 1 for Sportscars.
 
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If you took away Vettel's support - the team is built around him - he'd flounder endlessly. I've never seen a driver so dependent upon the team around him.

Without the team, no driver would work. How does him wanting a little more from his engineers become a bad thing?
 
Ferrari isn't built around Alonso? Lotus isn't built around Kimi?
Oh, those teams are built around those drivers - but nowhere near as extensively as Red Bull are built around Vettel. They pretty much exist to back Vettel; if Vettel were to announce his plans to retire tomorrow, Red Bull would probably annouce that they were disbanding within hours. Ferrari and Lotus will continue to exist after Alonso and Raikkonen leave. But if Red Bull can't find another Vettel, they'll walk away.
 
Oh, those teams are built around those drivers - but nowhere near as extensively as Red Bull are built around Vettel. They pretty much exist to back Vettel; if Vettel were to announce his plans to retire tomorrow, Red Bull would probably annouce that they were disbanding within hours. Ferrari and Lotus will continue to exist after Alonso and Raikkonen leave. But if Red Bull can't find another Vettel, they'll walk away.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and you know it.
 
Is it?

Do you honestly think that Red Bull would take anyone who could potentially threaten Sebastian Vettel?

Do you honestly think that Ferrari would take on anyone who could potentially threaten Fernando Alonso?

This question can be applied to all teams.
 
Do you honestly think that Ferrari would take on anyone who could potentially threaten Fernando Alonso?

This question can be applied to all teams.

How so? Mercedes seem to allow team battles, Lotus gave Romain the chance last year and he squandered it, thus the focus seems more toward Kimi right now. McLaren seem to be the biggest group that allow teams to battle it out as well. Ferrari and RBR however...are quite the same in treatment of their number one drivers, I'd say Ferrari is worse.
 
Mercedes have had their incidents in the past, and I have to say its bad form from Braun. It's disrespectful to Rosberg (Malaysian GP)

And I realise this is going off topic. Lets not go off topic shall we?
 
Is it?

Do you honestly think that Red Bull would take anyone who could potentially threaten Sebastian Vettel?

That's not what I was replying to though was it, you said Red Bull would shut up shop as soon as he left. That is what I was calling ridiculous.

But yes, I do think Red Bull would do that. Besides unless they took an absolute turkey anyone could potentially threaten Vettel, even the current TR drivers.
 
Mercedes have had their incidents in the past, and I have to say its bad form from Braun. It's disrespectful to Rosberg (Malaysian GP)

And I realise this is going off topic. Lets not go off topic shall we?

We could get red in the face debating this, but seeing as they have supported Rosberg since that time onward. They explained why they told him to hold form. Rather than have them race each other and one or both cars run out of gas it was much better to keep them in line and bring them home under cruise control. WCC >>> WDC as far as the team cares. However, you're right this is slightly off topic

Also it's good to see this will now be relevant...just needs to say 2014

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Vettel would outrun Alonso every time. Then Alonso would start whining about how he's not the #1 driver on the team. Seriously, I can't see that working.

Yeah, maybe at Red Bull.

At Ferrari or any team which would give them equal treatment? Just no. Fingerboy lucked into the championship last year against the worst Ferrari since the 90s, with the assistance of the Renault engined Lotus cars which took Alonso out in 2 races and the STR drivers who wave past Vet whenever they see him, but race like the devil against Fernando.
 
Good luck to Webbo, in an LMP I think he'll do well... so long as the car stays right side up!

As for his seat at Red Bull, I would love to see Kimi there, becuase I want to see Kimi back at the top of the championship... but I really can't see Red bull taking on-board the potential conflict, as well as the massive pay (which I sure would put Sebs nose out of joint) -- unless Vettel was off somehwere else, which he'd be stupid to do to.
 
Kimi is on their wish list according to Horner. No final decision yet though. Hope he doesn't go, Lotus sorta need him :(
 
Good luck to Webbo, in an LMP I think he'll do well... so long as the car stays right side up!

As for his seat at Red Bull, I would love to see Kimi there, becuase I want to see Kimi back at the top of the championship... but I really can't see Red bull taking on-board the potential conflict, as well as the massive pay (which I sure would put Sebs nose out of joint) -- unless Vettel was off somehwere else, which he'd be stupid to do to.

To be honest I don't see why they'd do that, it would be stupid to not bring one of the STR drivers forward. I think the only thing worse than Kimi being put in the seat would be Costa.
 
http://www.fiawec.com/

That is the championship he will race in along with a picture of the car he will drive.

yep, I know what he's racing. Just mentioning the video of Mark Webber's personal car. The GT2 RS. Webber bought one because at the time(before Infiniti cars came into play), Red Bull didn't have a specific drive car is all. :)

Anyone think he'll be in Porsche Cup cars as well?
 
There's no reason they have to bring up an STR driver, that team is there to evaluate talent yes, but there's absolutely no reason they need to bring up Danny or JEV. RBR's a top team, and while they would have a solid package in the form of Vettel being teamed with a "programmed" RBR driver, this is the first time they've really had an opportunity to have two top drivers and I feel like they're gonna go for it. I think we're in for a big surprise.
 
How are sales of Red Bull going in Brasil? Maybe if they're slowing a bit they could....

Is this a joke at HKS racers's expense in the Kobayashi testing Ferrari f1 car thread?
 
Kimi is on their wish list according to Horner. No final decision yet though. Hope he doesn't go, Lotus sorta need him :(

I'd agree. Kimi is dragging Lotus into the higher tier of teams and earning them mega $$$...could be a fall equally as bad as Williams, if Kimi left and Lotus didn't recruit somebody better than Grosjean.
 
I think Red Bull want Webber for 2014 because of the regulation changes. It feels like it would be bad timing to change your driver line-up for such an important year and with Red Bull having to design a completely new car, maybe it will suit Webber more for a last shot at the title.

Well then... I don't know... It feels like Red Bull wanted Webber, but Webber no longer wanted to stay in Formula One, so I guess I'm not completely wrong...

Even though it would be interesting to see Kimi at Red Bull, I think they will recruit one of the boys.
 
I'd agree. Kimi is dragging Lotus into the higher tier of teams and earning them mega $$$...could be a fall equally as bad as Williams, if Kimi left and Lotus didn't recruit somebody better than Grosjean.

Yeah. Him and Lotus just works. Him and RBR may not. They might get sick of his "Don't give a damn" attitude, especially to multi 21...
 
(...) with the assistance of the Renault engined Lotus cars which took Alonso out in 2 races (...)

Alonso took himself out in Suzuka and if you're implying that Grosjean's goal at Spa was to take the Spaniard out at Red Bulls bidding then you're just paranoid.
 
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